Tykables Exposed

[NabePup]

I just hopped on this thread so if I'm ill informed (which I probably am) lemme know.

The whole issue is here these people want to force tykables out of their community while people like you want them to choke on it and be forced into being open minded (agree) with it. Two sides of the same coin.

Anyway, being open minded, agreeing with it, and choking on it are all different things. To me, it sounded like this shop was opened up to cater to anyone interested in what it had to offer and that happened to be in the area or passing by. In no way did it expose to the public what its main trades are and what services it provided.

Then a normy caught wind of it and is going out of their way to try to get it removed from the community because...they don't understand it? they don't like it for whatever reason? it offends them? The Tykables store wasn't forcing its business on anyone and only provided goods and services for those that are interested and could benefit from it.

This business is someone's livelihood and would be an important and helpful source to many people. And if someone isn't ABDL or interested in what it does then it's, at the most, NOTHING to them (except maybe something they don't understand).

So the people who are trying to get it removed are doing waaaaay more harm and damage than the store itself is. Just to reiterate, the store offered its good and services for those that want to voluntarily seek it out and utilize what it has to offer. If you didn't want to use what it had to offer, guess what, you didn't have to. And on top of that, it sounded like it was staying under the radar so you wouldn't even be exposed to it unless you were trying to be. And yet the vanillas wanna force it out of their community.

Also, you can't force people to be open minded. You can force people to tolerate something maybe, but being open minded means actually getting to understand what you don't understand (or even trying to understand something you think you already understand) before forming an opinion about it and reacting to it.

Saudemy sounds gross to me and makes me uncomfortable. However, I don't (or try not to) judge people who do it and I certainly don't protest outside of their homes or places where I know it's going on to get them removed from my community. Also I don't seek it out so I've never been exposed to it. If it were happening in public and were being forced in my face then you bet I'd be pissed and want that removed from my community.

Anyway, not two sides of the same coin at all IMHO. Taken to the most extreme, you got the store doing what it believes in and trying to help out and provide goods and services to those that want it and then a bunch of people who don't understand it and it removed at the owner's and community's expense.

 

[Gsmax]

I have to say your anger amuses me. The whole issue is here these people want to force tykables out of their community while people like you want them to choke on it and be forced into being open minded (agree) with it. Two sides of the same coin.

I'm not forcing the community to like, accept, or be open minded about Tykables or ABDL at all. I'm yelling at people for trying to shut down a business that is minding its own business. They can hate ABDL all they want. They can say that Tykables is sick and that the clientele that visit the shop are mentally ill (I refuse to read the comments on this story). They can even be a jackass and protest outside the store. I would certainly like people to be more open minded (not just about ABDL, just about life in general), but I can't force anyone in the community to be tolerant nor am I trying. They can boycott the store all they want. They don't have to support it.

However, you do not have the right to not be offended. You can not get the government to shut down a business for the sole purpose of "I don't like it. This product grosses me out, and I don't want them near me". Sorry, if its legal (and the courts decided it is), then they have the right to have their store (it's not even advertised. You literally can't tell its an ABDL store unless you know in advance) and this is why I scream "MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS!!!". Because really. If you don't like ABDL, just ignore the store. You went on forever not knowing it existed. You don't have to go inside and see all the diapers, ABDL toys, etc. You can wipe it clean from your memory and go about your own day, just living your life. I don't care about you or your life. Why are you going out of your way to get involved in my life? Why are you trying to shove your interests and your morals down my throat? And that anger comes out whenever people want to shut down any business they don't agree with. Don't like it? Don't shop there. You're not forced to have ABDL in your life. I want freedom. I want small businesses to be able to exist and sell whatever (legal products) they want if they don't shove it in other people's faces (and this store doesn't). These people want to control the way other people live their lives, and them screaming about Tykables and this ABDL store is just the tip of the iceberg. This isn't two sides of the same coin. Not even close.

 

[DiaperedBedwetter1998]

Oh look at what I found.

[video=youtube;IgvnOpQW08o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvnOpQW08o[/video]

 

[Akastus]

To be fair, it's not as if using the sale of nappies for older kids as a front for a child pornography ring is exactly unprecedented. We're pretty sure that's what The Company That Shall Not Be Named does (and if you're a newer member who doesn't know what I'm talking about, don't ask for a name or a link. Suffice it to say that a legitimate retailer wouldn't use a teenage boy wearing nothing but a nappy as a model for their product). The absurdity of their position lies in their apparent belief that anyone doing that would ever set up in a retail location.

But that's the problem we face. Plenty of people genuinely believe that AB/DLs are paedophiles, and their reaction under that mistaken belief is entirely understandable. Yes, you could claim that they should do their research, but the only real material that there is originates from within the community, so an outsider can't trust it. There's no real research by objective observers to refer to, even if you're of a mind to look it up in the first place.

The day that we are looked upon with disgust only because of our predilection for sitting in our own bodily wastes (and that disgust isn't going away, it's instinctive), will actually constitute progress in my mind.

 

[Ian16545]

Couldn't agree more completely. There's no way we're letting this hate reign supreme in our frame of culture, especially not at this point in time. Change—if you'll pardon the expression—does take time to accept.

 

[buridan]

The story is now in the Washington Post. One salient detail: the building Tykables is using was abandoned for several years. Tykables brought the building up to code.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...themed-fetish-store-infuriates-illinois-town/

Since Tykables has taken reasonable steps to keep passers-by from seeing things they don't want to see, and since they've turned an abandoned building into a tax-revenue-generating business location, I'd say that the community has no legitimate complaint.

 

[SpAzpieSweeTot]

I watched the Inside Edition thingamabob, and it's a place to, "just be us," and take some pictures of that. As I understand it, stay as long as you like, as long as it's business hours, but no one stays over, and clothes stay on. We don't have to take our clothes off to have a good time, no no. :lol:

The story is now in the Washington Post. One salient detail: the building Tykables is using was abandoned for several years. Tykables brought the building up to code.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...themed-fetish-store-infuriates-illinois-town/

Since Tykables has taken reasonable steps to keep passers-by from seeing things they don't want to see, and since they've turned an abandoned building into a tax-revenue-generating business location, I'd say that the community has no legitimate complaint.

Randos aren't going to be walking in though. You can only enter by appointment and you can't see inside. It's all covered up. They also picked an area with low foot traffic. I think they did their best to be relatively unobstrusive.

Gotta assume truth on that one, as I haven't been.

So in a recent update from hearing locally, they are being allowed to stay there, but they have to keep the screens up and keep a strict hold on their "entrance by appointment" policy.

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I can't help but laugh at the haters, they are appalled by this, yet they have a Spencer's in their town. I'm sorry but really? They freak over the harmless and ignore the sex toys and such of Spencer's XD

This kind of intelligence is why I wish hugs could be felt over the Internet. Until we have the technology, here you go.

 

[ArchieRoni]

The Post covered that pretty fairly, I think. Hopefully, the residents might even get used to him and start realizing it's not so bad.

 

[ClandestineWing]

Oh look at what I found.

[video=youtube;IgvnOpQW08o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvnOpQW08o[/video]

Here's a short summary of this video:

Ten citizens voiced themselves, eight of which, all of whom are direct opponents, addressed only two concerns (despite being told at the start not to repeat themselves or what other speakers say). One concern being embellishments on their business plan; they were really banking on this one too, but Tykables couldn't legally be denied a business license despite slight embellishments on the business plan (this gets repeated many many times).

Their other concern is the choice of location; children asking parents questions about this store as they pass by. This concern is addressed at the end of the video; children know a lot more than their parents give them credit for, and in this day and age, children are into movies/games/shows that are intended for older audiences and asking things that parents these days aren't prepared to talk to their children about.

The last speaker, one other gentleman (probably a part of the video actually worth watching; long-haired guy in a white t-shirt) actually sheds a lot of light on our side. He says he went into the building and met the owner and researched ABDL online, finding the owner an approachable upstanding human being and revealing the grey areas to everyone at the meeting.

And the discussion is also sprinkled with people expressing their ignorance and personal distaste for us.

 

[Akastus]

Ugh, I remember that "company". Yeah, it's a shame the nature of this culture does attract that type, it's an unfortunate side-effect we have to deal with on an almost daily basis.

Damn. Not only are the bastards still around, the pics of some of their "models" are actually on Google Images now. WTF?

 

[Fire2box]

I'm not forcing the community to like, accept, or be open minded about Tykables or ABDL at all. This isn't two sides of the same coin. Not even close.

Yet you don't want the store shutdown or to be moved. It's 100% the different side of the same coin. You don't at all know every single person who opposes the store and why and you're very likely never going to. you're just upset that it's happening and aren't even bothering to hear the people out. Just, like, some, of, them, are, doing.

 

[SpAzpieSweeTot]

Yet you don't want the store shutdown or to be moved. It's 100% the different side of the same coin. You don't at all know every single person who opposes the store and why and you're very likely never going to. you're just upset that it's happening and aren't even bothering to hear the people out. Just, like, some, of, them, are, doing.

Good news, the meeting was taped. We do know the people who cared enough to do more than piss and moan, and actually show up to the meeting and be heard and counted. And from a,"get s**t done," perspective, if they weren't counted, they don't count.

 

[ThePaddedPuppy]

Here is the link to the board discussion, after reviewing this I definitely stand by my original opinion and stand with Tykables.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvnOpQW08o

 

[ArchieRoni]

I watched the full board discussion and thought I would share some thoughts.

First off, this is shockingly close to discussions that were held about black people in American suburbs about 50 years ago, give or take. I doubt Malina, their lawyer, wanted to bring that up publicly, but I assure you that he's conscious of the precedent. Zoning ordinances that used to be used to keep black people from moving into towns or opening businesses were ruled unconstitutional and cost some places a lot of money in the past.

Second, I thought I'd explain the free expression issue a bit more. America, whatever its current faults may be, has for 250+ years protected the right of people to free speech and free expression through the first amendment. And while you might not think of diapers as free speech, it is very clearly established in the law that choice of clothing is free speech and can't be regulated without some other compelling government interest. And there really isn't one for diapers because not only are they not associated with a health hazard, they help prevent health problems (and are treated as a medical device by most insurance).

I'd also emphasize that free speech is frequently about things that make people uncomfortable. On both ends of the aisle. It's free speech to talk to people about why abortion is wrong if you're someone who believes that (you can't physically harass them though) and it's free speech to wear clothes insulting Jesus. Allowing people to do distasteful things is a value that America has as a country because the founders believed that the alternative of allowing the government to use the police and the military to make people they don't like shut up was far worse. And I think most of us still believe that today. Free expression is an almost universally held belief around the world except in dictatorships.

Damn. Not only are the bastards still around, the pics of some of their "models" are actually on Google Images now. WTF?

Helpful tip. If you do a search for a picture, that should be either the word "feedback" in very tiny gray font or a "contact us" link directly on the page. You can use either to send a note to Google that the image was exploitive (if it's what I'm thinking about, they're not technically porn) and someone will review it.

 

[Akastus]

The problem is that America also has longstanding traditions of local democracy that frequently seem to conflict with constitutional guarantees of freedom at the national level. Far too many people don't seem to understand that freedom doesn't just mean tolerating the distasteful in general - it means tolerating the distasteful in your neighbourhood. Tolerating something is easy when it's out of sight, and doesn't affect you in any way.

 

[Gsmax]

Yet you don't want the store shutdown or to be moved. It's 100% the different side of the same coin. You don't at all know every single person who opposes the store and why and you're very likely never going to. you're just upset that it's happening and aren't even bothering to hear the people out. Just, like, some, of, them, are, doing.

I facepalmed myself so hard that I fractured my skull.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SHUT DOWN STORES YOU DISAGREE WITH!!! YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED!!!!

Since you refuse to actually listen to what I'm actually saying as not only did I make this point multiple times, but TheCaptain also wrote a really good post addressing what you said as well.

However, you seem hell bent on the idea that the only reason I'm yelling at the people who want it shut down is because I'm an ABDL who likes Tykables and would support the store if it was in my area. THIS ISN'T ABOUT TYKABLES OR WHAT I THINK OF THE STORE PERSONALLY!!!!

For me to make my point, I want you to completely forget about this specific story. Wipe Tykables and ABDL from your mind. This isn't about that.

I'm going to create a hypothetical scenario where the tables are turned and I'm the one who's offended and upset about a business that opened up.

I discover from a friend one day that a White Supremacist store has opened up in my town. It's hidden and on the down low, I'd have to go out of my way to find it, but sure enough, it exists. I can go inside and buy KKK robes, Nazi uniforms, copies of "Mein Kampf", and all sorts of racist bigoted merchandise. I'm totally offended at the store, and hate the fact that it exists. However, I do not have the right to not be offended. I'd totally boycott the store, avoid it like the plague, dissacociate myself with anyone who visits the store, hopefully that's nearly everyone, the store can't afford to stay open, and goes out of business. However, I can't just complain and force the government to evict the store because they committed the crime of offending me and others in town. You are allowed to be a racist asshole and you are allowed to run your business and sell whatever legal products you want, regardless of how terrible they are.

Now if I flipped and demanded that the store be shut down for being terrible and loathsome, THEN I'd be a hypocrite and it'd be two sides of the same coin. THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL!!! I'm consistent in my belief that YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SHUT DOWN A STORE BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT!!!

If you disagree, you're wrong, but fine. Just admit that you're for big government interfering with small businesses and that you you support meddling in other people's business. I'm against that, these people are for that.

Sorry if you got offended by the hypothetical scenario, just had to come up with something that I'd be legitimately offended by and wanted shut down so that I could explain it to you in as simple a way as possible and hopefully you're actually reading what I'm writing and you actually get what I'm saying. If after this, you still stubbornly refuse to get what I'm saying and refuse to view this as anything but blind loyalty to Tykables, then trying to explain this to you is as pointless as reasoning with a brick wall.

 

[goten]

Hihi, sorry that my first post is in such a negative topic but, I had some things I really wanted to reply to ^^'

Their other concern is the choice of location

This is a red herring and they know it. Where are you going to open a retail outlet that's next to a lot of people, but not anywhere near schools? Almost everyone has kids. Telling someone they should open their retail business 20 miles outside of town in the middle of an industrial park is ridiculous.

And the discussion is also sprinkled with people expressing their ignorance and personal distaste for us.

There was another speaker who mentioned the owner's right to freedom of speech, but it was very short. And the last speaker seemed to have a weird fixation on veterans. We didn't really get any good representation here, unsurprisingly.

Damn. Not only are the bastards still around, the pics of some of their "models" are actually on Google Images now. WTF?

Because they're not illegal. They SHOULD be illegal, but unfortunately they aren't.

They're stealing a trick from the gay playbook back when homosexuality was criminal. Gays used to distribute catalogs featuring male models in nothing but underwear. It was a clear way of skirting the law. Of course, the anti-gay laws were wrong. Two consenting adults should be free to live the life they choose. Children cannot give consent. And that extends to these photos being made.

So why do I bring this up? Because it's evidence of their true intention: they're pedophiles skirting the law. They also have an "underwear" catalog, and they charge lots of money for them, because it's porn to them. If I ran a dictatorship or monarchy, I'd have the parents arrested for child abuse, and find the children better homes. As it is, I don't know that there's anything we can do about it =(

Yet you don't want the store shutdown or to be moved. It's 100% the different side of the same coin. You don't at all know every single person who opposes the store and why and you're very likely never going to.

Appeal to shades of gray only works when both sides are justified in their concerns.

What if this were a business that catered to selling African American products and the all-white town wanted the business out? Should we listen to their concerns, or be just as bad as they are? Of course not.

Free expression is an almost universally held belief around the world except in dictatorships.

I wish that were the case, but the support of free speech drops off rapidly outside the US.

I saw a recent chart (can't find link, sorry) that asked countries, "should it be legal to say negative things about a minority?", and while the US was at 70%, everyone else was below the US, and Japan was at a staggering 20%.

And you can probably guess where the US' opposition is coming from: college campuses. We're seeing a scary reversal of support for freedom of speech ("right not to be offended") by liberal millenials of all people.

I don't like hate speech, either. But unfortunately, freedom of speech is all or nothing. You have to take the good with the bad. And the bad in this case includes the eight speakers in this town meeting video.

However, I mention this because not all members here are going to be from the US. This is going to create an obvious tension when we start talking about freedom of speech and expression. It is very much a cultural thing.

 

[Akastus]

This is a red herring and they know it. Where are you going to open a retail outlet that's next to a lot of people, but not anywhere near schools? Almost everyone has kids. Telling someone they should open their retail business 20 miles outside of town in the middle of an industrial park is ridiculous.

It's not at all ridiculous, given what they are selling. They are a supplier to an extremely niche market, and as such, cannot depend on passing trade. Even the most prominent of retail locations wouldn't help their business. Either they rely on people being willing to come to them, in which case (within reason) it doesn't really matter where they are - but that generally only works for very infrequently purchased high-value items like cars - or they sell online, which is precisely what they have been doing before now. Tykables themselves claim that it is primarily office space, with retail by appointment only. Realistically, it isn't a customer-facing retail outlet, and therefore doesn't need to be in a retail location.

That in no way justifies the reaction of the local community, but it still raises the question "why there?"