Struggling with ABDL being a Christian. Support needed

[Deleted member 77157]

I work at a church myself as a soundboard engineer and helping the homeless. I speak from experience when I say that I litterly when I was homeless one of the things I carried with me as my last belongings were bunnyhopps diapers. I was that far obsessed and gone. Mindless. Jumping mental hospitals, hospital stays, and finally ending up at a shelter. I didn’t deserve it but my church took me in and built me up. As my days went by my diapers became less and less and I eventually swore to stop. Eventually my job and security of my life got the best of me and I fell back into it and realized that I was once again lost in the baby world.

Here are some key points: you cannot, will not, and can not ever be removed from your salvation. God always loved you. Always will. He will not forsake you and has come to the world to save it and not condem it. Nothing you do, no action you perform will make you lose your salvation because it is a gift. The ONLY way you can lose your salvation is if you deny Christ. (There is a fantastic video from “Impact video ministries” on this exact topic) So know diapers or not you will and are loved and forever will be his.

The problem comes next of what if it is sin more adult in nature? Then there is freedom for you! I am currently still fighting it myself and getting accountability partners brought together. Freedom is possible and many apps and things make it very possible. No matter how much you pay, whatever filters you use or otherwise there is still real difficulty that can happen.

I have cried at the alter before begging but God gas built us perfectly he will one day use our weaknesses to show that we only need him and maybe one day we can use our weakness not just as testimony but to help others in need who struggle because we understand them

Don’t doubt the power of this world we have got to witness. Littlespace is a beautiful yet rare and dangerous place. It is not to be doubted as insignificant. Let us bring our troubles to God and genuinely say “lord” I know this isn’t of you if you do decide take it from me on your own time as it is distracting me of you” your prayers will be answered.

If you do fall and fail don’t be ashamed. Get up and try again fall five times get up six. Now I am successful have a house, have a job helping the lost, and even though I sometimes wear diapers or be little, I know that God comes FIRST before being little

 

[Sealander]

I hope you don't stress about this. It's not that your priest made a mistake but it's more likely he doesn't understand what it's like to be AB/DL and what motivates our drive to wear diapers. For the most part, we don't understand what drives us but the drive is there.

I believe that it is too easy to dismiss the guidance of your Priest as it is very possible that he was try to draw your attention to your developing obsession with your questions regarding ABDL. Considering the number of times you have asked for forgiveness and received it, yet again asking again, I can see the reasoning for his statement.

Thanks for your comments. The priest didn't know about the diapers. I was confessing masturbation once again. On the other hand, I had said "It's been 4 days since my last confession"--since it had been, and you're supposed to say that--but I hadn't actually needed to confess masturbation the previous time I'd gone to confession. So he speculated that I had fallen again very quickly. I was so taken aback by the speculation and what seemed to me his impatient tone that I didn't correct him. Anyway, he said that I was addicted to masturbation and that he doubted whether I had a firm purpose of amendment, if I did not do something like join an accountability group, so if I kept going back frequently he said he would deny me absolution.

I don't see it as a sin as long as you keep God and your faith in your life, nor do I see it as hypocritical. If we were supposed to be perfect then I suppose it would be hypocritical but as humans and mammals, we are far from perfect. I might add that our very creation makes us imperfect.

If you haven't hurt anyone by wearing diapers and you haven't hurt yourself, how can it be a sin if you still keep God in your heart.

Well, I have been rather distant from God lately. My prayer and devotional life is all but dead. I need help to repair my relationship with God.

 

[Edgewater]

I hear what you are now saying, but understand that it is different from what you had first provided. I am staying with my comments regarding your Priest, after all, you choose not to correct him. Regardless of whether it is diapers or masturbation, take care of involving yourself in Word Games with yourself as you will only continue to circle. Time to move forward, admit who and what you are, accept that you are Loved by God and take that next step forward. Your Priest is Man, not God, and is prone, as we are, to not being perfect. This is all about you! You have not yet accepted yourself!

 

[cometdemiboy]

Hi I am a Christian and I am struggling so much feeling that my lifestyle is sinful and that it is keeping me from god. Has anyone dealt with these types of things? If so I’d love to connect to build a good support system.

I know the feeling and it has been a struggle however I have felt that if god loves everyone it won't matter and long as we live well. if you need anything please reach out to me

 

[foxkits]

Thanks for your comments. The priest didn't know about the diapers. I was confessing masturbation once again. On the other hand, I had said "It's been 4 days since my last confession"--since it had been, and you're supposed to say that--but I hadn't actually needed to confess masturbation the previous time I'd gone to confession. So he speculated that I had fallen again very quickly. I was so taken aback by the speculation and what seemed to me his impatient tone that I didn't correct him. Anyway, he said that I was addicted to masturbation and that he doubted whether I had a firm purpose of amendment, if I did not do something like join an accountability group, so if I kept going back frequently he said he would deny me absolution.

Well, I have been rather distant from God lately. My prayer and devotional life is all but dead. I need help to repair my relationship with God.

I'm saddened the someone would not give you forgiveness.
God does forgive you.
Not man or woman should stand in the of God's forgiveness

 

[Sealander]

I'm saddened the someone would not give you forgiveness.
God does forgive you.
Not man or woman should stand in the of God's forgiveness

As I replayed the conversation over I thought often of Christ's words to St. Peter about how often one needs to forgive.

 

[abdlbill004]

I wish it were that easy, my whole life people tell me it’s the devil

Sounds like your in a chirch thats extreme like west baptest extreme

 

[abdlbill004]

Hi I am a Christian and I am struggling so much feeling that my lifestyle is sinful and that it is keeping me from god. Has anyone dealt with these types of things? If so I’d love to connect to build a good supp

Hi I am a Christian and I am struggling so much feeling that my lifestyle is sinful and that it is keeping me from god. Has anyone dealt with these types of things? If so I’d love to connect to build a good support system.

Why is it you can find the speck of dust in your brothers eye yet ignore the log in yours

Mathew 5-7

we all have sin and are borne with sin Its your Acceptance in the lord Jesus Christ that keeps your soul cleen.

I see God having a bit of a laugh when we meet and then love.

 

[Newbaby110521]

Why is it you can find the speck of dust in your brothers eye yet ignore the log in yours

Mathew 5-7

we all have sin and are borne with sin Its your Acceptance in the lord Jesus Christ that keeps your soul cleen.

I see God having a bit of a laugh when we meet and then love.

Also Martin Luther (15th Century German Monk) said ‘Sin and sin strongly but rejoice even more in the loving grace of Jesus Christ’ God forgives us unconditionally the only person that does. I personally don’t believe this is a sin but if it is I believe I’m forgiven.

 

[JR1]

Also Martin Luther (15th Century German Monk) said ‘Sin and sin strongly but rejoice even more in the loving grace of Jesus Christ’ God forgives us unconditionally the only person that does. I personally don’t believe this is a sin but if it is I believe I’m forgiven.

Martin Luther was responding to a letter about what they thought were the "sins" of the catholics in there dogma. These things he said to do boldly that if wrong the grace of Christ Jesus is stronger. It is not permission to do any sin you want.

 

[DavyBoy]

Hi I am a Christian and I am struggling so much feeling that my lifestyle is sinful and that it is keeping me from god. Has anyone dealt with these types of things? If so I’d love to connect to build a good support system.

Write a letter to Pope and ask him. Bible does not directly declare diapers as sin, but being gay and masturbation. So usage of diapers doesn't a sin, but masturbation and same gender sex is prohibited by many chapters.

 

[tango79]

Write a letter to Pope and ask him. Bible does not directly declare diapers as sin, but being gay and masturbation. So usage of diapers doesn't a sin, but masturbation and same gender sex is prohibited by many chapters.

The bible doesn't say masturbation is a sin anywhere. It says lust is a sin, and that is interpreted to mean masturbation is a sin. It says lacking self control is a sin but what does that actually mean in this context? It also doesn't say that being gay is a sin but that lying with a man is a sin. There is a big difference and it does matter. You are not a sinner by what you are, you are a sinner by what you do.

It also matters if you are Catholic or Protestant or some of the other variants. In Catholicism the catechism has explicit teaching on masturbation. It's bad. But by their nature Protestants are bound by Sola Scriptura and that really leaves it open for discussion as at best it is only implied and by a bit of a leap. I have read some of the Protestant statements and I haven't found one yet that is explicit on masturbation and even if they were, Sola Scriptura would over rule.

Am I saying that all masturbation is sinless, NO. But I am also saying that not all masturbation is a sin.

 

[DavyBoy]

The bible doesn't say masturbation is a sin anywhere. It says lust is a sin, and that is interpreted to mean masturbation is a sin. It says lacking self control is a sin but what does that actually mean in this context? It also doesn't say that being gay is a sin but that lying with a man is a sin. There is a big difference and it does matter. You are not a sinner by what you are, you are a sinner by what you do.

It also matters if you are Catholic or Protestant or some of the other variants. In Catholicism the catechism has explicit teaching on masturbation. It's bad. But by their nature Protestants are bound by Sola Scriptura and that really leaves it open for discussion as at best it is only implied and by a bit of a leap. I have read some of the Protestant statements and I haven't found one yet that is explicit on masturbation and even if they were, Sola Scriptura would over rule.

Am I saying that all masturbation is sinless, NO. But I am also saying that not all masturbation is a sin.

In Greek text of the New Testament (it was written in ancient Greek language)

Lets check what is written:
In Corinthians 6:9 Paul used these ancient Greek words:
- "αρσενοκοιται" [arsenokoitai] (literally: men+bed, "to share a bed with a male") to describe homosexuality as sin.
- "μαλακοὶ" [malakoi] (literally: soft, jentle and e.t.c. in context: moral weakness, sissy, being femenine) as sin
- "πόρνοι" [pornoi] (sexual pervert, prostitute, this is the root of the word porn) as sin

Read more: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/6.htm
So the bible haven't a direct prohibitions towards diapers itself, but its prohibit perversion of any kind

In case of "αρσενοκοιται" you can say that the word does not really mean that, but remember who was the Corinthians, and why did this word used, and also this word exist in all eastern languages including Russian and it is literally means homosexuality and used in criminal code. It has different roots among all languages but the same grammar construct "male+bed", "муже+ложество", "αρσενο+κοιται" so that's why being born in christian family I pray to no one.

 

[PamperedBabyBear]

I can barely handle hearing about God for certain reasons I do believe in God and the Devil though as pagan as i am these days. ; but il tell you an experience i had. Years ago I went into the desert stayed at a monastery for a week around monks. I went there because of finding out that my ex wife was pregnant to someone else and so i went for guidance while i was facing a divorce. I wore a diaper the entire time especially since i had an injury not long before that was causing me bladder retention. Well i ended up confessing to a monk priest there that i liked to wear diapers and i wore them. He did try to tell me that i needed to get out of them , but then told me if i needed them to wear them and to listen to my spiritual father. Now this was a very strict rigorist traditional priest. Those monks barely get any sleep they are around the clock doing something or liturgy they were very rigorist. My spiritual father at the time gave me mercy about abdl and was very understanding about it he understood that i liked to wear diapers that it was deep rooted. I was a radical fundamentalist for years in the past, i spent years thinking i would burn in hell for liking to wear diapers. As much as im angry spiritually i sometimes feel like God isn't an asshole as much as i feel like luciferian. I dont believe God is going to cast us into hades for ever for wearing diapers and being little. The irony about the whole thing is the bible says "Unless you become as a little child you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven" of course he isnt talking about abdl but so much for this whole focus of "growing up" as an adult. They push people to "grow up" so much they no longer believe in the metaphysical or mystical or the supernatural, they stopped believing in "fantasy" that a little child would believe in. Such irony, many people push this whole growing up so hard that they try to destroy your inner child. Little do they know that they wont be able to navigate the spiritual life they claim to believe in; with that kind of attitude as it requires becoming as a little child to see the spiritual path as a little child, believe as a little child and humility as a little child.

"why is Fantasia dying, then? G'mork : Because people have begun to lose their hopes and forget their dreams." The Neverending Story

We are supposed to be emotionally vulnerable and emotionally available i even heard a very strict priest say this in the past; yet as we "grew up" we created all these walls around our hearts that have to be torn down to have any spiritual sensitivity. These so called "grown ups" who are so against the inner child they push for a person to have no emotional availability at all. They falsely claim that is what it is to be a man but it is not true. It was healing to find in my astrological chart that my moon sign was in cancer. It was destiny for me to be emotional and empathetic yet i was gaslighted growing up to believe that is wrong for a man to be emotional.

I point out something about historical icons of jesus depict him in the lap of mary as a little child. They don't just depict him as an adult. He is still seen in visions appearing to people as a little child with mary. He meets them at their inner child. The historical christian understanding and the reason they say "Christ is born" every year on christmas is because they believe that is present not just in the past. The way they see time layered. What has happened is still happening and what will happen has already happened. So if the christian God can appear as a child to people and if the christian God said unless you become as a little children you will not enter the kingdom of God then i doubt he is against us being little. Even in the ancient labyrinth across religions someone has to be like a little child to walk and navigate the spiritual labyrinth.

Perfectionism is an impossible hell it leads to condemnation; There is a statement that is in the tao te ching that i like : "Perfection seems imperfect yet it is perfectly itself." I think life is not black and white it is filled with nuance and nuance has mercy.

 

[PamperedBabyBear]

Imagine God casting people into the fires of hades for all eternity for certain stuff they have no control over. Such a God would be a monster. Speaking of lust , somethings get lost in translation. the term lust in the bible is the greek word eros. Ancient Christianity understood of a concept of a pure eros. Even in the bible the term eros in the greek old testament that the "humble lust after God" the same word they translated as lust in the new testament. So the term eros isnt always negatively used in the bible. The term eros so called "lust" gets vastly misused by modern christianity where they condemn all eros desire as evil. I grew up in the purity culture movement of the 1990s they absolutely spiritually abused us in the baptist church with the purity stuff it damaged loads of people destroyed loads of relationships and marriages; caused divorces even. That cult movement left many women sadly unable to have children because they waited so long for God to provide them a husband while they were "waiting" in "true love waits". The movement left many people in general isolated as of the strictness they required disconnected from reality . Knowing the historical view of eros is much more merciful than this so called "christian" hatred for lust acting as if all desire is "of the devil" . Reminds me of the song "Christian woman" 'for her lust she will burn in hell' ; such a God truely is impossible to please if the radical trads and fundamentalists were right then everyone including themselves would burn in hell. They expect the impossible with their rigorist rigid rules. The purity movement in the 1990s traumatized us so bad that even in marriage they damaged our sex life which influenced divorce. The purity movement "True Love Waits" and how much it caused damage to my life in the past is part of why it is hard to hear anything about God.

 

[tango79]

In Greek text of the New Testament (it was written in ancient Greek language)

Lets check what is written:
In Corinthians 6:9 Paul used these ancient Greek words:
- "αρσενοκοιται" [arsenokoitai] (literally: men+bed, "to share a bed with a male") to describe homosexuality as sin.
- "μαλακοὶ" [malakoi] (literally: soft, jentle and e.t.c. in context: moral weakness, sissy, being femenine) as sin
- "πόρνοι" [pornoi] (sexual pervert, prostitute, this is the root of the word porn) as sin

Read more: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/6.htm
So the bible haven't a direct prohibitions towards diapers itself, but its prohibit perversion of any kind

In case of "αρσενοκοιται" you can say that the word does not really mean that, but remember who was the Corinthians, and why did this word used, and also this word exist in all eastern languages including Russian and it is literally means homosexuality and used in criminal code. It has different roots among all languages but the same grammar construct "male+bed", "муже+ложество", "αρσενο+κοιται" so that's why being born in christian family I pray to no one.

Correct on all accounts. But there is a distinction between being Gay (common modern usage) and acting on it. And πόρνοι most commonly means being a common prostitute coming from the root "to sell". So it does not mean to be a pervert but specifically to sell sex. And if you do accept the translation of sexually immoral then you had best include everyone who has sex outside of marriage.

I would also remind anyone that there is a long list of sins in 1 Corinthians 6, none are worse than any others and drunkard, idolator, adulterer and thief are among them. There is no mention of masturbation so it is inferred by translation or at best context. How can we know for sure if it isn't spelled out.

Now, malakoi. That's a whole topic for discussion and this is not likely the best forum to have it.

I do take the Bible as the word of God. But I also accept that I will never truly understand God and I can spend my entire lifetime studying the bible and how it is interpreted and it's original text (as best I can) and it keeps providing new, though provoking questions. The basics are clear but the rest is clouded so that God can show you what he needs to when he needs to.

 

[PamperedBabyBear]

Write a letter to Pope and ask him. Bible does not directly declare diapers as sin, but being gay and masturbation. So usage of diapers doesn't a sin, but masturbation and same gender sex is prohibited by many chapters.

Even the pope of rome and some bishops of christianity are merciful to homosexuals ; in historical christianity the laymen were not allowed to even have a bible it was only read through the lens of tradition. Historically regular people wouldnt of been able to even afford a bible even if they had come across a bible as it had to be hand copied before the printing press such would take a very long time. Many people in the past did not have the reading comprehension ability to even read the bible if they had one. They were not supposed to apply the bible to themselves without guidance of a spiritual father who was supposed to be able discern if a person had the divine energy "grace" to keep this or that command after all "the scripture says without me you can do nothing not without me you can do it with difficulty" i remember that statement from the council of carthage i read in the past among the anathemas against people that believe they could keep this or that without the help of God. Therefore even according to the bible you don't have free will in everything. Historically ironically the bible wasnt even supposed to be read by everyone alone without guidance as such was condemned in the past by both ancient churches. We can see the fruit of people reading the bible by themselves today that it leads to many radical spiritually abusive cults, the bible would condemn everyone if applied by the letter. I dont believe everything in the bible is even original someone can compare ancient texts and see verses that were removed. I support LGBT people regardless of what christians believe. The religious fundamentalists that slam lgbt are more likely to go to hades for spiritual pride known as vain glory ; for judging, for the lack of love and mercy; for bearing false witness against their neighbors for which they are often quick to do , for judging by appearance and not with righteous judgement; and all their hidden things they don't tell people while they act as if they are saints. Like the pharisees of matthew 23 they forgot mercy which was the 'weightier matter of the law" if they were judged by "the measure they judge" they would be condemned.

 

[dogboy]

From John 5:24 it reads:
"Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgement, but has passed out of death and into life."

I think this is a telling verse from the New Testament, so I wouldn't worry about wearing and using diapers or masturbating in them. It is enough to just believe.

 

[Unorthodoxengineer]

I see God having a bit of a laugh when we meet

Ain't that the truth!

 

[messydiaper]

John 3:16--For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that who so ever believes in him will have everlasting life.

That's cool. But as far as I can tell it can't be confirmed whether that is true or not. Might be. Might not be. Meanwhile that concept is used as a way to make a lot of people feel guilty about being human. And as far as I can tell, God doesn't express his opinion one way or the other on the matter these days.