AddyShadows said:
I guess it's just my opinion then, coming from someone who grew up poor, who's just used to dealing with things smelling unpleasant. I could turn around and make all of your hypocrites because urine can smell too ya know, but I feel like people would just take that out of context too.
Sorry, no urine from a diaper really doesn't even come close to the smell of a bm. That difference in smell makes it not hypocritical. However, if a person's diaper is beginning to smell pretty bad, I would say the same applies. Stop disrespecting others, and go get a damned change. Stop making excuses for being rude.
you can't see the other point of view.
Pot calling the kettle black, I see.
My opinion is rather simple: I'm not really for messing in public, I most likely wouldn't ever do it myself unless it was a legitimate accident, but I'm not going to stop other people from doing it because I may or may not find it gross. If we devolve to the level of "OMG THAT'S GROSS YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GROSS" You devolve to the level of the people who say wearing a diaper in general is gross, wetting a diaper is gross, so on and so forth.
It's time for you to learn a little science, because we are not just talking about something gross. It's a lot more than that. Most people, heck ... most animals, have an instinctual response toward human waste. They avoid it like the plague. It's an evolutionary response animals have because it's actually toxic to be around such things.
Let me give you a really good example, of why I really couldn't care about if other people are bothered by the smell of it though.
Because no one is ever considerate of what bothers me in public, ever. AT ALL. I have an incredibly sensitive nose, and because of other sensory issues I have, certain sights and sounds can trigger anxiety for me. Does that make me go around stopping people from doing whatever they're doing that's bothering me in public? No, I don't, Because I'm not going to impede someone else's life just to make mine easier. I'm not going to go over to that person and say "Hey can you stop making X noise because it's making me unable to function in public" I go somewhere else. Its public, people are going to smell, people are going to make noises, people are going to look different.
Poor fallacious argument here. Being considerate requires one to know they are even doing something that is bothering someone. How do people know your nose is sensitive? How do they know your ears are too? How do people know you have anxiety?
Now here is the difference. You know a bm smell will bother people. You absolutely do know that. You don't freaking need someone to tell you that. That is the difference. Willingly doing it while knowing. Your comparisons are absolutely lacking here because you don't seem to understand what being considerate even means. You also have this terrible notion that just because other people might be inconsiderate, that means you should be too. Seriously?
Come on, if you seriously have issues with noises and such ... tell someone, and see if they decide to try and be a little less noisy. It's amazing how considerate people can be when they actually know. However, you can't expect them to be considerate when they don't even know they are being inconsiderate. Maybe it's time for you to speak up and stop expecting people to read your damned mind.
While its true that here the discussion is on voluntary voiding, why does it make it different from involuntary voiding? Just because someone has a medical condition makes them entitled to being allowed to do "Something Gross/Repulsive."
It's not being "allowed" to do it, they can't control it. It has nothing to do with being "entitled." Do you honestly think they like to have uncontrollable bms?
Doing it voluntary literally means, you don't give a damned about anyone else in your surrounding and that makes you a terrible person, because you are doing it fully well knowing it will bother people. You can't say the same about someone who is IC, because they can't freaking control it. They get a pass because they are not doing it on purpose. That makes it significantly different.
I have medical conditions to and when I try to say things like that, people frown upon it because they feel like they're entitled to do whatever the hell they want regardless of if it's bothering anyone else, so why should someone have to not use their diaper?
You just stated previously you don't go up to tell people when things are bothering you.
You're all shaming something because you don't approve of it, treating it like it's an equivalent to murdering someone. Newsflash: It's not. This is more or less akin to the "Gay people shouldn't be allowed to show affection in public" argument.
No one is saying it's like murdering someone. Also, that is a false equivalence. Gay people being allowed to show affection, isn't in the same ball park. Sure some people may not like it, but it's not actually causing them any sort of trouble at the end of the day. It's not causing them to lose their lunch, it's not toxic, and also a BM effects everyone, not just some people who are intolerant.
Because it "Bothers people in public" and its "Not decent" to do that. I take issue with the lines people draw, they draw lines conveniently around their argument so that they're always right, that "This can't be compared to that because I said so" Why not? It's the same principle. "People shouldn't be able to do X because Y group doesn't think it's decent to do in public"
It can't be compared because it's not comparable. Just because you want it to be ... doesn't change the fact that it isn't. We draw the line because we are decent people and we know the difference. Clearly, you have not actually put much thought into this as you seem to think, because all your arguments are terrible.
Once you draw a line like that, you make yourself look like an asshole.
Right, says the person who believes it's their right to be a bother to people simply cause some people bother you without even knowing they are doing so.
And in regards to the passive aggressive statement that inferred that I never learned how to be decent in kindergarten/first grade, Boo-Fucking-Hoo you just hurt my feelings and did an indecent thing by saying that passive aggressive comment. . . Grow the fuck up, people aren't going to conform to your mold of "Decency" just because your pedestal of 'decency' is being challenged.
Well, I hate to tell you this, but you did ask when did people learn it. And well ... you got the answer. It's true, you learn this sort of stuff in kindergarten/first grade.
It also isn't about conforming to any sort of mold of "decency" it's more about just doing the right thing.
You don't solve wrongs, by doing more wrongs. All that does is make you part of the problem. Just because a murderer kills someone, doesn't all of a sudden make murder ok. It's still wrong, and it will always be wrong. Other people doing wrong, doesn't change wrongs to right.
Just because you guys don't like it, doesn't mean it can't be allowed to happen. Is there a law against it? No, there's not. If someone has a problem with the smell, well why don't you go tell the person the smell is bothering you and kindly ask them if they can do anything about it, don't bitch and moan on something you can't change. If someone wants to take a dump in their pants let them. Who are you as a citizen of humanity to say to someone "No you can't do that because I think its gross." The world doesn't revolve around you. And by the way, not everyone is a decent human being either. Yes I may be "Decent" enough not to shit myself in public, but that doesn't mean that everyone is going to fit that mold, and some people's scale of decency is different than yours, we're not all the same copied and pasted person. Have some fucking respect that someone has a different view of it rather than just shaming them for it. Because in the end, I do agree with the argument that "No, people really shouldn't do that in crowded public spaces because the smell can be kinda gross." But I'm not sitting here preaching that because my "Feelings are hurt that someone made a bad smell in public."
We are saying it's wrong cause it's wrong. Sorry, it just is. If the person doesn't want to be decent, then why should we respect them and their views? Why shouldn't we point out something that is clearly wrong?
This isn't just a differing of opinion, this is something pretty universal for the most part, A BM smell is going to bother EVERYONE. Hell, I am not even saying you cant do that. By all fucking means... go right ahead. But don't expect me to sit by and not say anything cause I will fucking say something. If you have a problem with it, you are free to walk away and not listen. Again, no one is forcing anyone to do anything here. We are just making it clear, it's a pretty shitty thing to do while around people. Yes pun intended.
