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The other day I was talking to someone I knew from Austria and learned that American Schools (or at least my school) had one very infantilizing custom that he found amusing. Throughout every grade of elementary school (ages 5-11) the teacher would walk all of us to the bathroom and tell us to use it even if we thought we didn't have to go, at least once or twice a day. Then once everyone did their business they would walk us to wherever our class needed to go.

Did this happen at your school, did you grow up with any normal seeming customs that look infantilising to other cultures?
 
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Never had this experience in elementary school other than stopping for potty breaks in high school whenever we did a school trip or being reminded to use the restroom before going to our game.
 
I remember moments of everyone being lined up and told to use the bathroom at a certain point, for example before a school outing. (More recently, I saw this happening with a school group at a tourist place: the children, all wearing hi-visibility vests were lined up, and sent into the toilets two at a time, while teachers stood guard to prevent other adults from entering.)

There was a routine which happened at lunchtime every day, and the elderly "dinner ladies" (now known as "lunchtime supervisors") would look after us while the teachers had their lunch. We were escorted to the toilet, while the dinner ladies looked on to make sure we washed our hands, with two children using each basin, then we had to line up again, and stand with one child on each square on the tiled floor. During lunch, the dinner ladies would be circulating mopping up spills, helping children to cut up their food, telling children not to put a knife in their mouth, not to talk with mouth full (or preferably, not to talk at all), to eat up quickly before their food got cold, to use a knife and fork instead of fingers, ringing a bell to demand quiet, or to tell groups of children to line up for "pudding", to tell children how wasteful it was if they left a lot on their plate. After lunch, we all sat on the classroom floor while they read to us, or played games such as Simon says (I found the arm movements exhausting, I used to get myself "out" as soon as I could), tell us to sit up straight; children who fidgeted would be made to stand apart from everyone else. If we were lucky, we played a game where one person was blindfolded and had to guess who was speaking in a funny voice. (I loved this game!)

I mostly loved school, by the way. But here are other things which happened in the school day, up to when I was aged 7, which were inherently infantilising:
- The bell being rung at the end of playtime. Everybody then had to stand dead still; anyone who moved would be made to miss their next playtime, which involved being sat in a place where everyone could see you.
- Lots of lining up, before moving around the school. A dreaded collective punishment was to practise doing this, instead of playtime.
- While being told off, being yanked by the wrist, and sometimes dragged around. (No slapping was allowed then, but older teachers would reminisce fondly about it.)
- Naughty children often being told off in front of the class, or even the whole school. On one occasion, the head teacher wheeled out a pushchair, and invited two boys who were "behaving like babies" to sit in it.
- Two children who laughed when told off were then made to laugh in a mirror.
- Sitting cross-legged on the floor for story time: probably totally normal all over the world. Naughty children often had to sit by the teacher, or to stand with hands on head.
- For PE (gym class), being almost naked, up to age 7, wearing only underpants. We would get undressed in the classroom, then put shoes on our bare feet to walk to the gym, and take them off (lining them up neatly) when we got there.
- One of the worst sins a child could commit was to do something without being told, even if it was something perfectly sensible. I fell foul of this a few times: for example, I'd start packing away because I knew it was soon time to do so. Another time, a teacher wrote the word "kitten" on the board, and more than half the class did so. The teacher marched slowly round the room, tossing children's books on the floor, then she made them stand at the front, and hold their books up. Their crime was to have written "kitten" without actually being told to.
 
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Another one I remember was the routine medical checks. We'd be lined up, and someone from outside the school would come in to check up various things, such as:
- Our teeth, often giving us a free brush and paste. "You'll probably need a brace when you're older."
- Our hearing, with the big headphones. "Say yes when you hear the little noise."
- Our eyesight. "If you can't say the letter, trace it with your fingers. Keep one eye covered, no peeping."
- Head lice. Used to be known as the "nit nurse".
- A general medical check, from a suited middle aged man. I remember his cold stethoscope on my bare chest.
They didn't tell us that the purpose of these checks was probably in case parents were not doing these things.
- Police officers coming in to talk to us about road safety, fire safety, and "say no to strangers".

Also, a puppet show about cleaning teeth. I remember an "end of childhood" realisation that these things were not for our entertainment; and that things like this were often followed by having to write about them.

As for cultural infantilising things in general, lots of people think that the UK has entered an age of "helicopter parenting", where children rarely go out on their own like they used to, or play out in the street like they used to.
 
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In my elementary school (US grades 1 to 6), each classroom had their own restrooms - one for the girl's and one for the boy's.

As far as I remember, all we had to do was raise our hand and ask to go to the restroom and it was granted.
 
I'm unsure if other cultures may view a bunch of the things I remember from school as infantilising or not. At least when I went to Primary School in the UK, I think the view kind of was you are a 'kid' until you go to High School and as such you will be treated like one. At the time I just went along with all of it as I didn't know different and I was your stereotypical 'good' kid who would try and behave, follow the rules and not get told off. Looking back though, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the things I remember have been changed or relaxed slightly over the years as the culture of schooling changes here and tends to place a little less emphasis on the older more discipline orientated schooling that originated with the Victorians.

@feetintrouble - Multiple parts of your experiences resonate with myself but I assume this was further in the past than my schooling in the 90s. Its essentially some of my memories but just more extreme of the discipline and organisational side.

Looking back I think some of the elements of school became a bit infantilising by the time you are in the upper Juniors, Year 5-6 around ages 10-11. Funnily one of the few things I remember feeling this about was the routine 'speaking together' things we'd be expected to do, particularly at the beginning and end of the day. The insistence of doing this monotonous drone like "Good morning everybody, good morning friends" with the syllables of each word almost broken down to the point of forming new separate words. I think I found a lot of the 'everybody has to do the same thing at the same time' stuff a bit tiresome by the point I was ready to move onto High School. Particularly when it was across the school and you had the 4 year olds as part of the same thing as the 11 year olds who were entering that stage of life where you desperately want to appear and act older.

Some greater degree of autonomy about leaving the classroom could have been appreciated. You were allowed to go to the toilet in lesson, however toilet breaks were highly encouraged to be on either end of playtimes and lunch and even in the higher years at Primary School we'd be told if we needed the toilet now was the time and encouraged to think about it. For reasons I do get, but again at a slightly older age I remember disliking being told to think about if I needed a wee or not as it came across as treating us like little kids. Then of course the "you should have gone when you had the chance" line that would creep in from teachers as a result of this system and dismissing kids who would say "I didn't need it then!" as if they are just monkeying around, and didn't genuinely just not feel the need to go to the toilet till they sat down in class. I suppose there was an element on encouraging the 'just in case' toilet visit and thinking ahead about your body rather than just being completely passive and reacting only when you really properly feel it... but still. Just felt a bit infantilising once you'd reached 10-11 years old.
 
We had this in my first school, a Catholic school. Can’t remember having group potty times again. In high school I gave up asking if I could be excused. It seemed weird to me to “be an adult” but ask to use the bathroom. A lot of my teachers started that by saying just go, don’t ask. They also didn’t care about hall passes. Thought it was gross to bring something in and set it who knows where LOL! I was a trouble maker in school but never had any issues with bathroom breaks that I can remember.
 
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Well, i must be old....

I dont remember any teachers walking kids to the bathroom, even in gradeschool. Didnt goto preschool.

I remember my mom being happy when i was gone all day out doing something, usually not too much trouble per se, but enough.

Used to play on the railroad trackss when i was a kid all the time. Used to usually be in a group of 3-5 kids and would goto a little area of wood, or somones house. Albeit my mom was around at home till i was in like 2nd grade right after school, but was always doing something like amway or something. After that shed be home like 6pm ish or so, and father was on a varying schedule and didnt really do too much as for kids stuff.
 
I do actually remember this even though it was like in fourth grade and that was the time i graduated and went fully to online schooling. At the time as a kid i can remember if you didn't have to go you would just stand around and talk with classmates for a bit in the restroom and then walk out when the teacher called everyone out, then we would line back up and go back to class, or lunch, or recess.
 
The other infantilising thing about UK schools are the school uniforms. I know they're not unique to the UK, but it's one thing that's well-known. Almost all primary and secondary schools make children wear them, with only a few exceptions. I was at primary school in an odd period when primary school children didn't have to wear uniform, it was a bit of a shock when I went to secondary school. The strictness of this varies: usually, the more posh the school, the more strict the uniform policy is. Children can be "isolated" for uniform breaches, or sent home. It used to be common practice for school girls to be made to kneel, to check their skirts were long enough to touch the floor. When a new head teacher takes over a school, sometimes one of the first things they do is to change the uniform to "make their mark", or to really toughen up existing rules. "Things are going to be different now I'm in charge."

Uniforms are sold as an "equaliser", making it harder to tell the rich and poor kids apart, although in practice, it does no such thing. There are also non-uniform days, usually about once each term. It's also notable that children often look much older when they're out of uniform. Also the difference between what boys and girls wear: girls' uniforms are often less practical: they wear T-bar shoes that make their feet wet, and some schools tell them not to do handstands in the playground because of their dresses.

I don't think there's anything inherently bad about being told to "think about going to the toilet". I learned this the hard way as a young adult, when I did a job involving being in a car a lot of the time in a big city, and public toilets are as rare as hens' teeth in rough areas. I worked out that I needed to go at least once every three hours in the day, and I had to plan rest stops into my day. Before that, I had been used to there always being a toilet nearby, and I had never really had to think about how often I went.
 
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I remember at school if the class was too loud, we were told "fingers on lips!". Like that was going to stop us from talking! Also I remember a teacher saying she will get "one of those highchairs from McDonalds" if we didn't stay in our seats. We were also made to wear shorts right up until we were 10 years old, even in the middle of winter. The joys of a catholic education! Glad I didn't go to Catholic secondary school!
 
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No, but we had an apple vending machine. 🤭
 
I went to a very small elementary school and in both Kindergarten and the1st grade, we were walked to the bathroom and told to try and use it. It was in that bathroom where I was somewhat knifed by a first grader. He had a metal nail file and he lunged it at me. Being a little kid, I instinctively put my hand up to protect myself and the point went into my hand. Of course it got infected and it hurt for a long time until it healed. Nothing like the Jersey Shore.

If lining up, being group punished etc. is infantilizing, it's probably because at age 5 and 6, we're almost infants...haha.

In Kindergarten, we had to take a nap in the afternoon and we'd each go into the cloak room and find our cot, set it up in the classroom and try to sleep. I don't think I ever fell asleep, but taking a nap is something a toddler would do.
 
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KolaKoala said:
I remember at school if the class was too loud, we were told "fingers on lips!". Like that was going to stop us from talking! Also I remember a teacher saying she will get "one of those highchairs from McDonalds" if we didn't stay in our seats. We were also made to wear shorts right up until we were 10 years old, even in the middle of winter. The joys of a catholic education! Glad I didn't go to Catholic secondary school!
I remember that "fingers on your lips" thing. But haven't heard anyone mention it in years. What part of the country and what decade were you in the lower grades? For me it was southern Louisiana in the 70's.
 
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flybaby said:
I remember that "fingers on your lips" thing. But haven't heard anyone mention it in years. What part of the country and what decade were you in the lower grades? For me it was southern Louisiana in the 70's.

When in the 1970s?? You're from the Deep South? Did you ever wear long-alls or jon jons to nursery school or kindergarten, or T strap shoes? Those things are so very cute and adorable, but you only see little boys wearing that mostly in places like Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Louisiana, etc. Mostly for church on Sundays and preschool. Little boys don't wear that out here on the West Coast where I am from. I love South Carolina and want to move there....and at one point, I almost ended up going to Louisiana Tech in Ruston for a master degree in History (I have a BA degree in Geography), but I didn't go. Parents thought it was too far away. This was around 20 years ago. I'm in my mid late 40s now.

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flybaby said:
I remember that "fingers on your lips" thing. But haven't heard anyone mention it in years. What part of the country and what decade were you in the lower grades? For me it was southern Louisiana in the 70's.

My younger brother's first grade teacher (I only have one brother, 4 years younger than me) put his desk in a corner. She said to my mom, "I really don't want to dampen his enthusiasm, but he needs to stop talking so much to his friends during class time". Actually I had much more problems in school than him because I have Autism and ADHD, and he doesn't. I was actually more disruptive. Not talkative necessarily, but disruptive in that I couldn't pay attention and missed homework assignments in Catholic school from 6th to 8th grade. I went to Catholic school starting in 6th grade, my brother went after 2nd grade. I got a record number of missing assignments and detentions. Kindergartner girls who wore babyish dresses and T strap shoes, and first graders, were more responsible about completing their homework than I was. This was in 1989, when I was in 8th grade. The kindergarten teacher couldn't even figure me out. I was actually a sweet, kind, good child who was never aggressive. I was never a bully either, though I got bullied a lot, even later in college. But my ADHD and Autism problems constantly got me in trouble.

When I was in kindergarten in 1981-82, my behavior was inappropriate to the point where they wanted to hold me back in kindergarten for an extra year. I'd do things like wandering off to the adjoining kindergarten to play with their toys (no wall separated the two classrooms) while my teacher had all the kids in a circle in front of her doing circle time or Storytime or show and tell. The only time in my life I remember never getting in trouble was when I was in nursery school at age 3. My nursery school teacher never complained about me, except she noticed I had a delay in motor skills. I'm slightly surprised the elementary school didn't send me back to private nursery school!! Maybe I should have stayed there forever. Maybe I deserved to be in preschool. If I was in preschool now and was the size of a 4 year old (albeit as a developmentally disabled proportionate pituitary dwarf), I'd definitely wear long-alls, Jon jons or bubbles and T strap shoes. I'm sure I would be adorable. LOL.

- longallsboy
 
flybaby said:
I remember that "fingers on your lips" thing. But haven't heard anyone mention it in years. What part of the country and what decade were you in the lower grades? For me it was southern
Not the person you were asking about but we did the fingers on the lips thing too... never thought of it as a southern thing
they would also clap to get our attention and we would have to clap back.
 
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KolaKoala said:
I remember at school if the class was too loud, we were told "fingers on lips!". Like that was going to stop us from talking! Also I remember a teacher saying she will get "one of those highchairs from McDonalds" if we didn't stay in our seats. We were also made to wear shorts right up until we were 10 years old, even in the middle of winter. The joys of a catholic education! Glad I didn't go to Catholic secondary school!

Read my response above to flybaby. I went to Catholic school from 6th to 8th grade. Had many missing assignments (pink slips), after school detentions, etc. I was way worse about remembering to write down my homework or even do my homework. I have to say that I knew plenty of first graders when I was in 7th and 8th grade who were better about completing their homework. However, I have autism and ADHD, which was undiagnosed at the time. In 8th grade, I had a friend that was in kindergarten. I only knew her because we went to the same onsite after school extended day care center at school. My brother was in 4th grade at the time, and knew her too, but not as well as I did, because I was always playing with her and even doing our homework together. We played Atari computer games in the hallway together too. She was 4 years and 10 months old when I met her, she didn't even turn 5 until late October. Barely older than a preschooler. She sometimes wore babyish dresses and Mary Janes, and even T strap shoes. This was in Fall 1989, so kids dressed different then. I was 13 then. Seriously speaking, my little friend was more responsible for completing her homework than I was. I often forgot to even write down some of my homework. The first grade teacher who was a nun told me her 6 year old students didn't miss that much homework one day when I was doing after school detention with her. The kindergarten teacher couldn't wrap her mind around why I was missing so much homework, or why I interrupted her class when she was teaching to announce I was ready to look after the kids at brunch. For all I know, she was probably wondering why I was playing with a 5 year old child at age 13!! In those days there was nothing known about Autism or even ADHD.

To be honest, I probably belonged in nursery school and should have worn long-alls or jon jons with peter pan collar shirts and T strap shoes there. Justice would have been if I had pituitary dwarfism and looked like a 4 year old and never grew up at all physically, since it seems I have always acted like a 4 year old or even worse. Some college instructors I've took classes from even said I act like a 4 year old. Emotionally and socially, I am like a 4 1/2 year old actually.

I remember having to wear our PE shorts under our uniform (boys wore white shirts, and long blue corduroy pants) until PE class!! Girls wore a red and white plaid dress and white shirts. Little girls (4th grade and under) wore plaid suspender dresses or plaid jumper dresses with white Peter pan collar shirts. Kindergartners had free dress, so they could wear whatever they wanted. Some kindergartners that were girls wore babyish dresses that probably they wore in preschool. T strap shoes and Mary Janes were actually fairly common.

Did you ever wear T strap shoes as a little boy? I never did, but I'm from the West Coast. If I was from Alabama, that would have been probably a very different story. I love the "longall" look. 💜💜 I wore overalls as a preschooler, but not quite "long-alls". Never wore T strap shoes either as a little boy.

- longallsboy
 
Halibut said:
Not the person you were asking about but we did the fingers on the lips thing too... never thought of it as a southern thing
they would also clap to get our attention and we would have to clap back.

My nursery school teacher would tug her ears saying "listening ear". I usually wasn't paying much attention or was looking at my burnt orange saddle like oxford shoes. I loved my shoes at that age. I didn't wear T strap shoes (and never wore them as a child), or I would have been even more obsessed. I do remember my mom pulling her ear too (it was a parent participating nursery school) when she looked at me during those times. I was only 3 1/2 years old then.

When I co-hosted Preschooler Storytime for 3 to 5 year olds at my library, 35-40 years later, in the early 2010s to 2020, my children's librarian friend too would pull her ear and say "listening ear" to get the children's attention. Sometimes the parents were worse than the kids! LOL

- longallsboy
 
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longallsboy said:
My nursery school teacher would tug her ears saying "listening ear". I usually wasn't paying much attention or was looking at my burnt orange saddle like oxford shoes. I loved my shoes at that age. I didn't wear T strap shoes (and never wore them as a child), or I would have been even more obsessed. I do remember my mom pulling her ear too (it was a parent participating nursery school) when she looked at me during those times. I was only 3 1/2 years old then.

When I co-hosted Preschooler Storytime for 3 to 5 year olds at my library, 35-40 years later, in the early 2010s to 2020, my children's librarian friend too would pull her ear and say "listening ear" to get the children's attention. Sometimes the parents were worse than the kids! LOL

- longallsboy
I like "listening ear". Teachers still do the clapping for children to clap back; and another one is "one two three, eyes on me."
 
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