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NewAdultBaby4 said:
Part of that thread:

Okay, I am a bit of a preacher - (I preach to myself, not others).
God Created All Things ... and gave us dominion over the earth.
We struggle to do right but we make a mess of things.
This is why I pray for God to come behind me to pick up the pieces and use them for His Glory.
ForTheKing said:
It is okay. I expect the majority of answers to question my worldview, rather than seek solutions to removing an ingrained preference. I don't know why I am the way I am, but I want it gone. And by the way, your PS is right. All things are good, Scripture says, but the manner in which they are used is not always good. Anything helps. I want it gone.
Hey have you ever heard of deliverance? I made this account out of temptation to get back into DL stuff but then your saw your post. You opened my eyes back to when I was delivered of this desire. Your post helped me, thank you. But deliverance is surprisingly something not many Christians know about. And we should, the modern church has failed on this. People in the Bible walked around with demons inside them or tormenting them and Jesus and his disciples cast them out in His name. This kinda thing didn’t just stop today, demons are at work more now than ever I believe. And that cannot be, as Christians the word says we are set free from that and in him there is no sin. We are not even supposed to be under temptation and there is freedom in Christ. Man I pray that you find that deliverance, it is possible to be free from this. I highly recommend you watch Isaiah Saldivar on YouTube, there’s plenty of other guys who preach this but this guy has lots of videos on the topic of demonic influence and deliverance from that. Don’t give up my friend, you gave me encouragement today. God is so good. If you need to talk more please just ask. I don’t know how this website works yet but I’ll be looking for you.
 
ForTheKing said:
To be completely honest, you nailed the first half, I'll grant. Of course I struggle with self-loathing, which comes from an ingrained problem of wanting to be whatever authoritative figures want me to be. So you got that. However, sexual degeneracy keeps me from God. And while I may have been born with these desires - this fetish in one sense (which I'm not sure if it entirely is) - I can't live with them. I don't want them. They're not becoming of a man of God to have. It isn't normal and I can't see this as being something that would exist in a pre-fall world, or post-return world. (As a side note, I think you might be thinking of Song of Solomon, but I don't remember there being oral sex in there. It is a very sexual book though.)

There is no greater love than that one would lay down his life for another. And I would for my wife. Imposing on her my desire to be babied (or cared for, as it is known) and have her subconsciously be aware of that continual need, even if I'm not experiencing it, is too great of a burden. It was for the other women of my life. But I digress.

There is a problem with my aim, my desires, not my perception of who God is. He is merciful, all-loving, kind, omnipotent. He is all I want and need. He is all I want to desire. He has forgiven me, and I want to live a life that shows my gratefulness in all respects. This ABDL stuff does not let me do that. God's forgiveness is not exhaustible. It is infinite and deeper than all comprehension. My forgiveness however, is not. And I am less prone to forgive myself for dishonoring God. What repentance is it, if I express remorse and then immediately go sin the same way again? It's just pain. And I want the desires to go away, so that the lust of my flesh no longer clings to me. And there are other areas I work on, from learning to love, to not swear, to work with discipline, to no longer lie, etc. All these I focus on, but this hurts me directly.

You write about God so fanatically that you seem willing to hurt others on his behalf. Just like you hurt yourself. Don't get me wrong but you need a specialist / psychotherapy. The things you write about and the way you do it scare me.
You're making a martyr of yourself, be careful because it's addictive.
 
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WetEmily said:
Clearly not? If he was all you want and need, you presumably wouldn't be here asking for help.
Exactly!
I am christian but the way he wrote about god makes me feel like vomiting...
I'm sorry but I want to be honest, I haven't met someone who behaves like a messiah in a long time, which knows better what Jesus thinks than himself.
I hate fanatics, they bring hell to earth.
 
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ForTheKing said:
Good afternoon everyone. I'm not going to remain here very long, but there's something I need help from from you all regarding Adult Baby things. This post may anger or infuriate some of you all. I just ask that you would hear me out. I joined today for answers.

I'll preface this by stating that I am a 23 year old, heavily conservative, heavily practicing Christian male. I hold to a worldview that my God and King are sovereign. There is nothing more that I want in this life than to be of use to Him.

With that being established, here's my problem. I am an ABDL, and it's keeping me from God. I don't want to be one. I've tried for a decade to get rid of every inkling of ABDL tendencies, thoughts and cravings, but nothing has worked.

I've been obsessed with diapers since I was 3. I did chronically bedwet, and I still do about once or twice a month, but I don't wear any incontinence products for that. I'm come from a very disshelved family life and I suspect at least one of my other family members is also in the same position as me.

I bought size 7 pampers when I was 16, threw them out, did it again, threw them out again, and that continued on for years. I got into this very deeply this past year. I ordered Bear Hugz from CTDC earlier this year as I began travelling down the rabbit trail... Then realized I didn't like plastic backing after getting Bunny Hopps, and the timing was too perfect where I just got cloth-backed Little Kings from ABU, which was the most babyish adult diaper out there. I threw everything out, and that's been a trend. I threw them out because I realized I couldn't stand before my God if He were to return while I was in such a state of being diapered. So I no longer wear diapers and just can't.

So yes, I'm not just here to troll. I know what it is to be an ABDL.

BUT I don't know WHY I am an ABDL and HOW TO STOP BEING ONE. Sincerely. I've tried everything from psychotherapy, to accountability, to eating certain things, to always keeping myself in company, to always ensuring I have work to do, to attempting hypnosis, to continual prayer.... I can't get rid of the want to be in a diaper or to be mothered by something imaginative.

I do not like looking at pictures of my fantasies played out, and in fact they infuriate me. That's why it's always been some mental, imaginative thing. A formless, faceless, figureless, voiceless, mother figure who puts me in diapers. It angers me to even type that.

Additionally, I do not have much of a social life due to working constantly, but I'm trying to work on that.

It could very well be something socially learned at the age of 3 for me, or it could very well be something I was born with. I told you I'm a reformed, heavily conservative Christian male. I do not like abortion. I do not support gay rights (I don't hate them. In fact, I have gay friends who I hope come to Christ one day). BUT, it is because of my being an ABDL that I come to understand the potentiality of the general argument of "I was born this way" .... I empathize with it.

That being said. You all know my question at this point. How do become not an ABDL? How do I not want to be in diapers? How do I not want to be mothered in the way a mother treats her infant? How do I get rid of these thoughts? I want them gone. Please. I want them gone because they will ruin my marriage one day. And I want to have a big family and be an amazing dad and raise lots of children to come to love God with all their being. And I never want my wife to have to live with the kind of doubt that I might be retreating to some place mentally to receive attention from some imaginative mother figure. I want to be the man God made me to be. Therapy hasn't done anything. The woman at the end just asked if she could get me to be aroused to graphic lewd pictures instead of diapers if I would consider that a success.... NO... IT WOULDN'T. Please help me.
I came to be a heathen, but I have had a "thing" for diapers for almost 27 years now.

There's a very good resource that's been out there for at least as long -- Bittergrey's Den/Understanding Infantilism.


There is an "Acceptance from God" section on this page. I hope this helps you in some way.
 
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Nowididit said:
God created man in the likes of him. He brought us into the naked and sinless. Would you feel the same if God was to return while you were in the shower.
When Adam and Eve were caught eating the forbidden fruit God punished them. One of the punishments was they were made to feel shame when naked, therefore Adam and Eve would no longer be naked and unashamed. They needed to cover themselves to rid themselves of the shame.
A diaper is a form of concealment of your nakedness. How can one feel ashamed if God was to see them wearing something to conceal ones nakedness? After all it was God that put the punishment of shame upon us, how can God judge one for following and adhering to his punishment.
None of us know why we are ABDL. Now if you are this true believer that you say you are then surely you believe in creation. God created us so therefore he created you and this is what he created for you. He created you and everything about you including you being an ABDL. How can you as a believer of God and all he creates feel you are not honoring God when God made you this way? I mean isn't that God's intention? For you to be happy with what he gave you.
I believe if you truly believed in God you would honor God by being happy with what he gifted you. Denying oneself happiness is not what God intended.
Stop being so hard on yourself and enjoy what God has given you.
Nowididit said:
God created man in the likes of him. He brought us into the naked and sinless. Would you feel the same if God was to return while you were in the shower.
When Adam and Eve were caught eating the forbidden fruit God punished them. One of the punishments was they were made to feel shame when naked, therefore Adam and Eve would no longer be naked and unashamed. They needed to cover themselves to rid themselves of the shame.
A diaper is a form of concealment of your nakedness. How can one feel ashamed if God was to see them wearing something to conceal ones nakedness? After all it was God that put the punishment of shame upon us, how can God judge one for following and adhering to his punishment.
None of us know why we are ABDL. Now if you are this true believer that you say you are then surely you believe in creation. God created us so therefore he created you and this is what he created for you. He created you and everything about you including you being an ABDL. How can you as a believer of God and all he creates feel you are not honoring God when God made you this way? I mean isn't that God's intention? For you to be happy with what he gave you.
I believe if you truly believed in God you would honor God by being happy with what he gifted you. Denying oneself happiness is not what God intended.
Stop being so hard on yourself and enjoy what God has given you.
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So I’m guessing due to the fact the Op didn’t get the response that he wanted is the reason he ain’t been back in nearly a week
Or has he gone to HELL 🤣🤣
 
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You sound like me 5 years ago. Like you I'm very conservative, Christian etc. But I've found it is much healthier to EMBRACE this side of you, not repress it. Just because people are incontinent doesn't mean they can't be closer to God right? Now in this case, your need is more emotional, not physical (incontinence). So you need diapers for different reasons but you still need them. Also, it is important to remember ABDL does no harm. Be thankful you aren't addicted to drugs, alcohol, or sex. When Christianity refers to resisting temptation it is referring to actions in which we do harm to ourselves and fellow man.

Regarding relationships and finding the right woman, this can be a big hurdle. But the right one will accept you for who you are. In my case I disclosed my ABDLism early in the relationship and it did us wonders. She appreciated the honesty and eventually participated. Wouldn't call her a "mommy" but she babies me from time to time. And it is great.

So what I'm saying is NOTHING is wrong with you. I wouldn't flaunt ABDLism or virtue signal or anything. But you aren't doing any harm and it shouldn't hurt your relationship with God. Enjoy yourself! I repressed this for YEARS but now I'm glad to have embraced it. :)
 
Sin is what separates you from God. Are diapers doing that? Years ago a cross dresser asked his priest if crossdressing was a sin. His answer was “what do you do while dressed?”. The pagans of early biblical times would have orgies where both sexes could be crossdressed. That is probably why it is forbidden in Deuteronomy. Look at your life and see if it a real or manufactured problem.
 
parcelboy2 said:
So I’m guessing due to the fact the Op didn’t get the response that he wanted is the reason he ain’t been back in nearly a week
Or has he gone to HELL 🤣🤣
I think in the end he was "trolling". I think he had come to his own personal conclusion and was here to just try to convince us.
 
RainbowConnection said:
You are grieving. I think I see a bit more of the full picture now. You believe your sexual self to be too great a burden because someone once dear to you told you so, through their actions and/or words. It has strengthen your resolve against yourself, your belief that God wants you to sacrifice this part of yourself. Is that accurate?

But you know as well as I do that it will cost you a piece of your humanity. And I ask -- how could God want that? He asks us to be more than ourselves, to aspire to be like him, kind person, that is true. But that does not mean every strange part of ourselves must be scraped out. That does not mean a brown feather on a pair of white wings makes that bird any less beautiful. It doesn't mean it must be plucked out for the sake of "purity", even if that bird can now no longer fly.

An old name for freckles used to be "angel kisses," you know.

Will you not keep what God has given you so that you may have something human, something another person is able to self-sacrifice for, as you will also give freely to them? What if the sin is denying this gift, kind person -- denying that you are human, you are unique, you are beautiful just the way you are?

You believe your sexual self is sin. That your fetish is sin. Can we do a brief thought exercise? Remember it is Satan, not God, who wants us to deny opportunities to think outside of the box, even if we later disagree with what we come up with. God asks us to challenge everything -- leave no stone unturned.

Imagine, for a moment, your ABDL desires are not degeneracy. That suggestion alone likely rouses some deep anxiety within you. But please, keep going. Now, imagine that God doesn't find it sinful, but rather, finds everything you desire permissible. Again, I'm not asking you to agree with anything; just imagine, as writers do. How does that new reality, where all of these things are now not only possible but honored, make you feel? Imagine living a life where you can both honor God, and yet experience this part of yourself. Imagine finding a woman who is Christian and has complementary desires, or a woman who has her own set of unique desires that -- while somewhat strenuous for you fulfil -- you gift her the same way she gifts you. And your love grows, and that "strenuousness" fades into affection. And the love you feel between each other is made stronger and easier, and your love ultimately honors God.

Now imagine living this life all the way through. When you get to the end of your lifetime, do you feel fulfilled, or empty? And as for you right now, in the present -- do you feel anxious, joyful, or a mixture of both? Or do you feel some other kind of way?

In terms of "defiling the marriage bed," the Bible mostly focuses on the idea of saving certain sacred acts for certain times. It's doing those acts outside of certain bonds/ covenants that desecrates their sacredness. But if you are still worried you would be "defiling the marriage bed" by experiencing your ABDL desires...

Would you like to read that essay I made? I feel like it would be more helpful than what I can provide here in a forum response. I dive into all of the issues above -- fetishes, faith, marriage, and so on. The psychology, theology, and facts. I think it all reads pretty sound. I think you'd like it. I know you'd at least find it interesting. Just let me know.
I appreciate, your response. But as a clarification, my ex found it disturbing, told me to stop seeking psychotherapy, and just deal with it, and if I failed, then she would leave me. I eventually left her because that was abusive and toxic as heck lol.

I've read your entire post, and I did imagine all of this (what if it wasn't sinful and degenerate), and respectfully I would disagree, primarily due to theological misconceptions, such as Satan denying us opportunities to think outside of the box, because that's what got us into this mess. But I will say this, you've opened my eyes to what I should be doing all along. So now it is equally damning if I don't take this approach.

What you've taught me is this. I am called to be like Christ more and more each day. This is sanctification. It is clear that becoming like Christ does not include wanting to be babied or wearing diapers. This just does not fit into the realm of appropriate private conduct.

HOWEVER, when I do feel these needs... for affection... for want of care... for want of love.... I must run to Christ. I must. I can't let anything else take that spot, like that nameless, faceless, formless, feminine figure I've created in my mind.
 
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parcelboy2 said:
So I’m guessing due to the fact the Op didn’t get the response that he wanted is the reason he ain’t been back in nearly a week
Or has he gone to HELL 🤣🤣
I don't plan on regularly frequenting this forum, so I'm sorry if I miss a few responses.
 
ForTheKing said:
I don't plan on regularly frequenting this forum, so I'm sorry if I miss a few responses.
Hello there, I am a Christian (not raised in it but came to faith on my own somewhat recently) and have struggled with this my whole life as well. That bit about the thorn in Paul's flesh from 2 Corinthians definitely got me thinking about this as well. I see a great deal of myself in the portrayal of yourself that I've read. I found this post from looking up some key words relating to the Christian faith and this particular urge. I transiently struggle with it, and lately is one of the times I've faltered in my walk and given heed to these desires. I know for me it's a bizarre comfort thing as well as a inherently sexual thing, and it causes me to become double minded. And as we know from the first chapter of James, a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
I also saw another commenter on here going through the same struggle. I don't want to turn the grace of our Lord into lasciviousness, as mentioned in the book of Jude and say that the Lord's forgiveness means I can do whatever incessantly. In Isaiah 57 it's laid out that the Lord won't be angry with us forever, but also won't contend with us forever if we keep going down the wrong path. I'm not trying to say I know what that point is, but I'm sure you know what I mean when I say there's a line in the sand when it comes to the Lord and sinful behavior. Either way I could use some prayer on this as I will be praying for your situation as well. God Bless brother, I hope to hear a response back. Message me, I'd love to talk as this intersection of faith and this issue isn't something I have a lot of avenues to discuss.

By the way I made this account when I was giving in hard to a bunch of strong urges a few months ago and can't modify some descriptors like "role" lol
 
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The bible does not condone fun.
 
Bb11993 said:
Hello there, I am a Christian (not raised in it but came to faith on my own somewhat recently) and have struggled with this my whole life as well. That bit about the thorn in Paul's flesh from 2 Corinthians definitely got me thinking about this as well. I see a great deal of myself in the portrayal of yourself that I've read. I found this post from looking up some key words relating to the Christian faith and this particular urge. I transiently struggle with it, and lately is one of the times I've faltered in my walk and given heed to these desires. I know for me it's a bizarre comfort thing as well as a inherently sexual thing, and it causes me to become double minded. And as we know from the first chapter of James, a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
I also saw another commenter on here going through the same struggle. I don't want to turn the grace of our Lord into lasciviousness, as mentioned in the book of Jude and say that the Lord's forgiveness means I can do whatever incessantly. In Isaiah 57 it's laid out that the Lord won't be angry with us forever, but also won't contend with us forever if we keep going down the wrong path. I'm not trying to say I know what that point is, but I'm sure you know what I mean when I say there's a line in the sand when it comes to the Lord and sinful behavior. Either way I could use some prayer on this as I will be praying for your situation as well. God Bless brother, I hope to hear a response back. Message me, I'd love to talk as this intersection of faith and this issue isn't something I have a lot of avenues to discuss.

By the way I made this account when I was giving in hard to a bunch of strong urges a few months ago and can't modify some descriptors like "role" lol
20 billion times this over, brother. I will pray for you here. This has always crossed my mind. A double minded, as James 1 says, should expect nothing of God. And I hate that I am that given the inclination to sin. Whatever support you need man, I feel like you go through the same thing as me. Dealing with hypocrisy while also trying to live a life that honors God with all that you are. it's pain.
 
Anemone said:
The theologian in me would ask: If you, who are beloved of GOD and created in His image, cannot love yourself as you are; is it not your attitude towards yourself which is the sin against creation?
Anemone 😮 being all kinds of wise over there. Well said.

To the OP, I am sorry it’s such a struggle for you right now. I too once felt a mental anguish as what you presently describe, and I don’t think anyone here on the board can talk you out of the guilt you feel, as it stems from deeply held convictions that condemn you without room for grace or additional context. I don’t say that from a place of judgment, but just from having them there. The fact is, people don’t lose the desire. They can abstain from the behavior but the longing will remain and you usually see a buildup of stress and internal pressure as the result. I would rather spend half an hour in a dip, feel better, and then get things done in my day and be available to others vs carry the weight and distraction of unmet needs and stress until eventually I break down and give myself the time I need anyway. Dr. Rhoda Lipscomb specializes in DLs (and ABs) and she has said over and over from research and clinical practice, that it is not some thing you can override. I know this because I set out to work with her one at one point I too wanted to cut out this piece of myself.

Let it be what it is; a single piece of you… one way you have to found to cope and feel good in a crazy world. It doesnt have to take over your life. That which we deny, however, we empower.
 
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ForTheKing said:
Normal is not wanting to be babied at the age of 23. Nothing entitles me to this. I just want it, and I would give anything to have it.
It is not your right, nor is it the right of any person or organization, to decide what is "normal" for any other person or organization. You DO have a right to approve or disapprove, certainly. But your approval has only the value that someone is willing to give it. This is a fact that many "religious" people and organizations tend not to recognize. Or perhaps they believe themselves or their group to be the ultimate spiritual authorities?
 
Bb11993 said:
Hello there, I am a Christian (not raised in it but came to faith on my own somewhat recently) and have struggled with this my whole life as well. That bit about the thorn in Paul's flesh from 2 Corinthians definitely got me thinking about this as well. I see a great deal of myself in the portrayal of yourself that I've read. I found this post from looking up some key words relating to the Christian faith and this particular urge. I transiently struggle with it, and lately is one of the times I've faltered in my walk and given heed to these desires. I know for me it's a bizarre comfort thing as well as a inherently sexual thing, and it causes me to become double minded. And as we know from the first chapter of James, a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
I also saw another commenter on here going through the same struggle. I don't want to turn the grace of our Lord into lasciviousness, as mentioned in the book of Jude and say that the Lord's forgiveness means I can do whatever incessantly. In Isaiah 57 it's laid out that the Lord won't be angry with us forever, but also won't contend with us forever if we keep going down the wrong path. I'm not trying to say I know what that point is, but I'm sure you know what I mean when I say there's a line in the sand when it comes to the Lord and sinful behavior. Either way I could use some prayer on this as I will be praying for your situation as well. God Bless brother, I hope to hear a response back. Message me, I'd love to talk as this intersection of faith and this issue isn't something I have a lot of avenues to discuss.

By the way I made this account when I was giving in hard to a bunch of strong urges a few months ago and can't modify some descriptors like "role" lol
Not sure how I can message you dude... But I'm trying.
 
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