What I meant was price per diaper listing average. Example. Say there is 60 diapers in a case and the case costs 72 dollars.Llayden said:The true cost of an IC product is in the frequency of changes. Everyone's needs are different because everyone voids at different frequency and volume. Also, time that can be spent in a super absorbent product is greatly dependent on the users environment, activity level, skin durability, and so on. It is hard to nail down the actual cost per diaper with all those variables.
I used to use only cheap products, such as the original Depend and equivalent brands. Those products were only good for about one void and, depending on my fluid intake, I could use upwards of 7-8 during the day alone. I would go through 2 at night if I could wakeup after my first void, otherwise wet sheets. A Super Premium (ABU Simple) can last me an entire day. It might even be able to last from overnight and throughout the next day. But that is an exceptionally long time to remain in a product. A Regular Premium (NorthShore Supreme) can get me through a day with three changes, one in the morning, one in the evening, and one before bed.
Each one of these products has a window of use that maximizes their efficiency and cost per product. If I know that I am going to be on the move a lot, and that changing when wet is more important that maximum absorbency it wouldn't make sense to use a Super or even Regular Premium. The cheapies become more cost effective. If it will be a normal day I will stick with regular premiums as they can give me excellent absorbency and minimze changes. They can be used to the full potential. If it will be a lazy day with no responsibilities or activities planned outside the home I will opt for a Super Premium at bed time and probably won't have to change until the next evening. I'll change and take a shower before dinner time and use a cheapie before using a premium for bed.
The short answer is "No". Most likely not. Everybody has different factors and needs that can wildly throw off the equations. However, the best possible solution is to have at least a couple of products of different capacity to adapt to different needs from day to day. If you know that you would have a need for a Regular or Super Premium from time to time try and get them approved due to the higher initial cost.
ABdei said:I said 4 as an example
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Llayden said:The true cost of an IC product is in the frequency of changes. Everyone's needs are different because everyone voids at different frequency and volume. Also, time that can be spent in a super absorbent product is greatly dependent on the users environment, activity level, skin durability, and so on. It is hard to nail down the actual cost per diaper with all those variables.
I used to use only cheap products, such as the original Depend and equivalent brands. Those products were only good for about one void and, depending on my fluid intake, I could use upwards of 7-8 during the day alone. I would go through 2 at night if I could wakeup after my first void, otherwise wet sheets. A Super Premium (ABU Simple) can last me an entire day. It might even be able to last from overnight and throughout the next day. But that is an exceptionally long time to remain in a product. A Regular Premium (NorthShore Supreme) can get me through a day with three changes, one in the morning, one in the evening, and one before bed.
Each one of these products has a window of use that maximizes their efficiency and cost per product. If I know that I am going to be on the move a lot, and that changing when wet is more important that maximum absorbency it wouldn't make sense to use a Super or even Regular Premium. The cheapies become more cost effective. If it will be a normal day I will stick with regular premiums as they can give me excellent absorbency and minimze changes. They can be used to the full potential. If it will be a lazy day with no responsibilities or activities planned outside the home I will opt for a Super Premium at bed time and probably won't have to change until the next evening. I'll change and take a shower before dinner time and use a cheapie before using a premium for bed.
The short answer is "No". Most likely not. Everybody has different factors and needs that can wildly throw off the equations. However, the best possible solution is to have at least a couple of products of different capacity to adapt to different needs from day to day. If you know that you would have a need for a Regular or Super Premium from time to time try and get them approved due to the higher initial cost.
Very accurate description of what dealing with this is like. Depending on who you talk to, the way you deal with this will change. A urologist would likely refuse to let you wear a diaper until they've gone through every possible way of fixing things. A dermatologist will swear you need to change after every wetting. Some will swear you aren't drinking enough water through the day because you don't need to change that often. The truth through all of it is you do what works best for you.Llayden said:The true cost of an IC product is in the frequency of changes. Everyone's needs are different because everyone voids at different frequency and volume. Also, time that can be spent in a super absorbent product is greatly dependent on the users environment, activity level, skin durability, and so on. It is hard to nail down the actual cost per diaper with all those variables.
I used to use only cheap products, such as the original Depend and equivalent brands. Those products were only good for about one void and, depending on my fluid intake, I could use upwards of 7-8 during the day alone. I would go through 2 at night if I could wakeup after my first void, otherwise wet sheets. A Super Premium (ABU Simple) can last me an entire day. It might even be able to last from overnight and throughout the next day. But that is an exceptionally long time to remain in a product. A Regular Premium (NorthShore Supreme) can get me through a day with three changes, one in the morning, one in the evening, and one before bed.
Each one of these products has a window of use that maximizes their efficiency and cost per product. If I know that I am going to be on the move a lot, and that changing when wet is more important that maximum absorbency it wouldn't make sense to use a Super or even Regular Premium. The cheapies become more cost effective. If it will be a normal day I will stick with regular premiums as they can give me excellent absorbency and minimze changes. They can be used to the full potential. If it will be a lazy day with no responsibilities or activities planned outside the home I will opt for a Super Premium at bed time and probably won't have to change until the next evening. I'll change and take a shower before dinner time and use a cheapie before using a premium for bed.
The short answer is "No". Most likely not. Everybody has different factors and needs that can wildly throw off the equations. However, the best possible solution is to have at least a couple of products of different capacity to adapt to different needs from day to day. If you know that you would have a need for a Regular or Super Premium from time to time try and get them approved due to the higher initial cost.
Slomo said:SEE! This is the point we are trying to make. Take confidry for example. They cost $1.63 each. Expensive right- not! Now if you can get by with just 4 ATN per day (which you're badly dehydrated by the way), then you can easily get by with just 2 confidry per day at that same level of hydration. At a total cost of $3.27. Stop wasting your money. Stop looking at just the cost per diaper. You need to look at the cost per day, or you're just throwing your money away with each extra change.
Oh I did. We worked out 3 abena l4 per day being cheaper that 6ish coviden with booster.Slomo said:You guys are right, insurance companies are incredibly short sighted. You can still always appeal, though I get that doesn't always work.
And finding a vendor willing to sell a product at an adjusted price for insurance companies isn't insurance fraud. In fact, in the commercial building industry we call this "or equal". The intended product is still being delivered, it gets the same job done, and at a same overall price the vendor/owner has agreed to along with the contracting insurance company.
It is totally acceptable to adjust unit quantity prices so long as the original service is being carried out at the same total cost, and with no actual change to the services or products rendered. Now it would be fraud if they charged more and delivered less (or none at all), but that is not the case here.
I would recommend the OP go with them, and get the diapers he needs. Especially given what would be delivered clearly has better quality to them than what was originally specified by his insurance company.
ABdei said:Oh I did. We worked out 3 abena l4 per day being cheaper that 6ish coviden with booster.
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ClickyKeys said:...But as we know, a hawk flies better than a turkey.
...when pigs fly perhaps.
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