I second the Angelfluff "blue ice' they are the bullet proof workhorse of Angelfluff pants ,when I bought mine ,i had them fitted to me ,and bought the patterns ,i wear both snap on and pull on , when you own the pattern ,just call in the number of the pattern and quantity and perfect pants show up ,no wondering did they change them, so I am not going to have the fit I need/want , no chance of random screwed up pants. although I want to try there custom PUL I am not thrilled with plain white .I am a colorfull guy ,i also have a selection of there regular pants ,my other colored pants are for specific uses , my black ones stay seperate with certain diapers that I wear when sick or they may have been exposed to petroleum products ,it's a winning system to ensure maximum service life .