Wearing Diapers while Flying? How to not get extra attention by the TSA

[giantguy99]

By law TSA can not stripe screach without Probable Cause at anytime because it would break the law and you could sue them for violation of your fourth amendment rights. The only thing TSA could do is a normal pat down of your person unless they find something for further cause to do a stripe search of your person.

With all due respect but you do realize that airports are not covered by U.S law but by international law correct? If anyone here does not believe me I would normally cite sources that can prove this for the fact that it is but this time I am going to do even better. If anyone here thinks I am wrong then go call any TSA agent anywhere on U.S soil and ask them. Why? Because then you can independently confirm this for the fact that it is for me. We are not protected like that at airports as one would think. TSA agents do not need probable cause which is why random screenings and searches of that nature are in fact legal because their jurisdiction happens to be international law and not U.S law. This is the other reason why I don't fly.

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I think I should add that I have seen people who wore diapers through a security checkpoint and had nothing happen to them. Well I don't doubt that actually. The problem is what happens if you wet the diaper intentionally or accidentally before trying to pass through a security checkpoint? You see TSA agents are looking for liquids not diapers when you pass through those checkpoints. If you said that you passed through security with no problem let me take a guess you where dry right when you did it? Try wetting a diaper and do the same thing and tell me you passed through a checkpoint without being searched then tell me that nothing happens. I would highly recommend that you record doing that as well because there is going to be a lot of plausible deniability if you make that claim.

 

[cm90210]

I don't travel much by plane. But I have done it a few times wearing diapers. Only once have I had a patdown wearing a diaper and I can't recall ever having my bag gone through while it had diapers in it. I like to wear them on planes for some weird reason but I have to admit, I'm sure I exhibit some of those negative signs on the TSA list when I am.

 

[robbw]

Airports in the US are subject to US law and to the state laws in which they are located. On the other hand, constitutional proections may not obtain in that flying,like driving, is a privilege not a right. Thus 4th Amendment rights don't apply. Same reason the cop doesn't need probable cause to stop your car and ask for your driver's license.

 

[giantguy99]

I'm not sure where you get this idea. American airports are certainly covered by U.S. law. But our courts have long recognized that the government has broader security powers at the border than it does domestically, and can regulate one form of travel strongly if it has a compelling interest in doing so, when others are left free. It's not that the Constitution and other legal protections do not apply, they are merely less powerful at the border.

Airports in the US are subject to US law and to the state laws in which they are located. On the other hand, constitutional proections may not obtain in that flying,like driving, is a privilege not a right. Thus 4th Amendment rights don't apply. Same reason the cop doesn't need probable cause to stop your car and ask for your driver's license.

Well then ask someone from the TSA if you don't believe me. Just because you don't want to believe something does not make it any less true at the bottom line.

 

[Snivy]

Airports in the US are subject to US law and to the state laws in which they are located. On the other hand, constitutional proections may not obtain in that flying,like driving, is a privilege not a right. Thus 4th Amendment rights don't apply. Same reason the cop doesn't need probable cause to stop your car and ask for your driver's license.

This, because I even fly sometimes with southwest and wondered that myself. It is true actually and I can cite things that directly support that Airports in the US are subject to US law actually,

 

[GoldDragonAurkarm]

My boss has an Arabic-sounding name, having started life in Pakistan.

Pretty much every time he comes into the U.S., they give him a bit of grief. But, apparently (as he puts it), they figure you grow out of your bomb-making phase at 45. So, Arabic-sounding name and country of birth=Pakistan is pretty much instant harassment, even if you have a few bucks. Over 45, though and you'll be ok at the end.

 

[giantguy99]

This, because I even fly sometimes with southwest and wondered that myself. It is true actually and I can cite things that directly support that Airports in the US are subject to US law actually,

Then go ask someone from the TSA if you don't believe me if you think that. Like I said before just because someone does not want to believe something does not make it any less true at the bottom line. By the way I know what your going to school for Snivy don't think that changes the truth.

 

[Calico]

Well I am flying in two months so I will ask then if I can still remember this thread because I usually forget about lot of topics but I can just bookmark this page and remember to look at it and write the question down I want to ask and then ask it at the security thing when they check our bags and have to walk through the thing.

 

[Snivy]

Then go ask someone from the TSA if you don't believe me if you think that. Like I said before just because someone does not want to believe something does not make it any less true at the bottom line. By the way I know what your going to school for Snivy don't think that changes the truth.

Me going to school about aviation has nothing to do with why they are associated with the US laws. Stop de-railing the subject when you quote me please.

With all due respect but you do realize that airports are not covered by U.S law but by international law correct?

This, right here is a yes or no, it's not 100% correct.

TSA can not do anything to what's called an embacery stuff. The "sactionary," TSA has no effect on sanctionary. Take Edward Snowden, he was a victim by a different airport from the Russian union because when he got to the halfway point from American to Russia, they sent Russia ambassadors over to the US to pick him up and TSA couldn't do anything about it because Russia had taken custody of him. and was escorting/deporting him to Russia and TSA couldn't do nothing about it. Russia had taken custody of Edward and deported him from US to Russia even thou he is a US citizen. TSA's law does not override international laws, it's called international sanctionary, if you fear your life, you have the right to leave the country for a reason.

So, with all of that, TSA has nothing to do with your topic, you're wrong, you just don't want to admit it. Airports in the US are subject to US laws. Every country does things differently.

 

[Aby]

the Fourth Amendment, along with most of the Constitution, does not apply in the airport the same way it does in most public spaces. U.S. airports are a Constitutional "twilight zone" - the rights you have in the outside morph once you step inside the terminal, and it has been this way long before September 11.
I am sorry I got so upset and started an argument, here are the facts, please stop wasting time arguing. In regards to the occasion I was searched and was asked to pull my pants down, totally not illegal, they felt something unusual under my pants, I am not at the age that they usually see adults in diapers, nor am I in a wheelchair or anything that would indicate that I was disabled or had some need for diapers, the security guards were doing there job correctly. I did not have a choice, I was asked politely, if I declined they would have detained me till they were sure that I wasn't a threat. This is all very legal, just like how they search carry on and check on baggage, they are not subject to needing a warrant. I don't know if this will be posted as I am in trouble for saying naughty things and being very angry. Please also understand at no time was I naked, my diaper was exposed in a private screening room, the agents were as embarrassed as I was, probably more than I was, but in the end it was just a minor embarrassment and invasion of my privacy, my privacy isn't as important as everyones safety, it only took box cutters to cause the destruction of 9/11.

there facts -

Federal law requires commercial airline passengers to be searched prior to boarding a plane and airlines cannot transport any passenger who refuses (49 U.S.C. § 44902). Over the past 40 years, the courts have repeatedly upheld the constitutionality of warrantless airport security screenings as part of an overall regulatory effort to prevent hijackings and other terrorist activity.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-airports-a-constitutional-twilight-zone/

there is also this story from a few years ago, where they made a senior citizen remove her soiled diaper after a private screening, they patted her down and felt the diaper and had to ask for a private screening, her diaper was soiled so they could not continue the screening until she was changed, they were not allowed to leave the airport either. It was embarrassing for the senior, but it was completely legal, and the TSA acted properly, it is to bad that we have to have this kind of security, but it is what it takes to make flying safe. - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tsa-defends-removing-adults-diaper-for-pat-down/
This is my last post on this thread. I will refrain from any more responses or comments, I have nothing left to prove, I have backed up my info with credible sources.

 

[giantguy99]

Me going to school about aviation has nothing to do with why they are associated with the US laws. Stop de-railing the subject when you quote me please.

For someone trying to cite exceptions to the primary rules which involve international agreements between nations (or lack thereof) concerning deportation of certain kinds of criminals I find it amusing that you would actually pretend to think that I am the one derailing the thread. Snowden has no relevance here and you know it. This is not off-topic because the thread is about how to not get extra attention from TSA staff remember? I am merely stating facts instead of beliefs on how things work at a airport on what happens and why(more specifically) when you try to go through security with a wet diaper. Stop mentioning snowden as if it has relevance to any of this because no one is going to make exceptions to the rules when it comes to some random lunatic causing trouble at a security checkpoint just because you find the truth uncomfortable. Normal rules and regulations do not work at airports for a reason and it's obvious you don't like hearing this fact for what it is. If you don't believe me go ask someone from the TSA then.

This, right here is a yes or no, it's not 100% correct.

Tell me something I did not already know. Stay on topic please because Snowden and rules involving how to deport someone (or lack thereof) considered to be a criminal have nothing to do with this. Considering they are irrelevant to what happens when someone causes trouble at a checkpoint it's obvious I was talking about the more specific aspects on what's typical as opposed to the special cases. It's usually international law that covers things at all airports for typical cases on how to handle problems not the special case you mentioned.

TSA can not do anything to what's called an embacery stuff. The "sactionary," TSA has no effect on sanctionary. Take Edward Snowden, he was a victim by a different airport from the Russian union because when he got to the halfway point from American to Russia, they sent Russia ambassadors over to the US to pick him up and TSA couldn't do anything about it because Russia had taken custody of him. and was escorting/deporting him to Russia and TSA couldn't do nothing about it. Russia had taken custody of Edward and deported him from US to Russia even thou he is a US citizen. TSA's law does not override international laws, it's called international sanctionary, if you fear your life, you have the right to leave the country for a reason.

This is not relevant to some random angry passenger causing trouble at a security checkpoint and how the protocols on how the TSA handles that. Instead of trying to go off-topic try talking to someone from the TSA and ask them like I did.

So, with all of that, TSA has nothing to do with your topic, you're wrong, you just don't want to admit it. Airports in the US are subject to US laws. Every country does things differently.

I find it amusing that your attempt to derail the conversation when I am talking about what happens and why more specifically going through a security checkpoint with a wet diaper is a bad idea has anything to do with Snowden somehow makes me wrong even though it's obvious you don't want to admit being wrong as if normal rules and regulations apply at airports when it's obvious they don't is clearly uncomfortable for you.

 

[Snivy]

Tell me something I did not already know. Stay on topic please because Snowden and rules involving how to deport someone (or lack thereof) considered to be a criminal have nothing to do with this.

Yes it does because it's involving US laws and how Russia intervened because Snowden went to russia and US's TSA could not intervene into that whatsoever. You said that USA can do things internationally their way but countries do things differently so yes, you are wrong.

For someone trying to cite exceptions to the primary rules which involve international agreements between nations (or lack thereof) concerning deportation of certain kinds of criminals I find it amusing that you would actually pretend to think that I am the one derailing the thread. Snowden has no relevance here and you know it.

Snowden does actually, it's a perfect example and you de-railed the topic when you brought up my education and the TSA.

That's all I really have to say.

This is not relevant to some random angry passenger causing trouble at a security checkpoint and how the protocols on how the TSA handles that. Instead of trying to go off-topic try talking to someone from the TSA and ask them like I did.

Snowden is relevant. Do you watch the news? ...like, at all? TSA could not touch Edward when he left US, therefore, Airports in the US are subject to US law and to the state laws along with Russia and their laws.

Why should I waste my time and ask because of some person over the internet not agreeing with me but instead will argue at me? o.o

Stop wasting my time :laugh: I'm done with this conversation, this guy is not educated in any way and does not know the difference between TSA and the US Law at all. I'm deleting quotes from this thread and not going to bother reading them hahaha.

 

[Snivy]

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You provided evidence and mentioned the fourth amendment, I 100% agree with you on this entirely.

 

[giantguy99]

You said that USA can do things internationally their way but countries do things differently so yes, you are wrong.

No I did not. I said airports are covered by international laws. I never said the U.S can do whatever it wants because International laws involve agreements (or lack thereof) between countries. Stop trying to put words into my mouth and pretending to know what you are talking about and contact a TSA agent so you can independently confirm that I was not wrong if you don't want to believe me. Stop derailing the topic because just because you find the truth offensive. You don't believe me then contact someone within the TSA itself.

Why should I waste my time and ask because of some person over the internet not agreeing with me but instead will argue at me? o.o

Because you seem to find the truth offensive and would rather argue with me as if you know what you are talking about.

Stop wasting my time :laugh: I'm done with this conversation, this guy is not educated in any way and does not know the difference between TSA and the US Law at all. I'm deleting quotes from this thread and not going to bother reading them hahaha.

For someone who believes they know what they are talking and refuses to go get the source of information and starts making up stories of unrelated things trying to derail the subject because people need to know how things are done at airports I find it amusing you're pretending to know what you're talking about because I am not the one who believes in their own lies. Yes I do believe that we are done since it's obvious you are not mature enough yet to have a open-mind. Get over yourself and research the subject correctly by calling someone on the phone who is actually in the TSA because they would love the general public to know that Laws do not function the same way at a airport the way they do everywhere else in the U.S just to avoid problems. Your right we are done arguing because it's obvious you think you know what you are talking about without even properly researching the subject. Try stop be naive enough to seriously think that what you hear on TV or the internet is always true :smile1:

 

[Llayden]

With all due respect but you do realize that airports are not covered by U.S law but by international law correct?

The TSA is not an international agency, it is a US agency and an enforcer of security regulations set down by congressional mandate and is located under the executive branch of our fine government. The TSA is simply an enforcing arm of security regulations; a bouncer. The actual laws and regulations for OUR airports in the US are generated by OUR congress.

After 14 years of flying overseas country to country and in and out of the US I can tell you that there is not one other country that comes close to the invasiveness of our security checks. The UK was close, but they removed all their body scanners.

Now, there may be additional security measures set forth by another country that our government has agreed to so that our flights are allowed in (or vice versa), but those regulations (if they exist) can't be found specifically and would still be issued as a congressional mandate. In short, the security of OUR airports is set down by OUR government as regulations and enforced by OUR governmental agency, the TSA.

This can be independently verified by contacting your local FSDO at your local FAA office, or by calling 1-866-289-9673 and talking to a very nice and well informed person named "Josh".

Oh, and I have traveled diapered through these airports all around the country and in and out of the country very frequently over the last 14 years. I have even been through the scanners while wearing a wet (not saturated or soaked) diaper as well and have NEVER at ANYTIME had anyone ask me to step aside or even inquire as to what was in my pants. Now, if I had been carrying a load back there….who knows?

 

[Snivy]

The TSA is not an international agency, it is a US agency and an enforcer of security regulations set down by congressional mandate and is located under the executive branch of our fine government. The TSA is simply an enforcing arm of security regulations; a bouncer. The actual laws and regulations for OUR airports in the US are generated by OUR congress.

Something I was trying to say and I involved my source to back it up.

I think Llayden cleared the discussion perfect! ^^

 

[giantguy99]

The TSA is not an international agency, it is a US agency and an enforcer of security regulations set down by congressional mandate and is located under the executive branch of our fine government. The TSA is simply an enforcing arm of security regulations; a bouncer. The actual laws and regulations for OUR airports in the US are generated by OUR congress.

Yes I already knew this when I called that number down below. Laws just don't work the same way at airports as they do everywhere else. By the way I was told over that phone number that international laws apply after passing a checkpoint in odd ways when I asked about this.

Now, there may be additional security measures set forth by another country that our government has agreed to so that our flights are allowed in (or vice versa), but those regulations (if they exist) can't be found specifically and would still be issued as a congressional mandate. In short, the security of OUR airports is set down by OUR government as regulations and enforced by OUR governmental agency, the TSA.

With all due respect but there are quite a bit more of those mandates then one would think based upon what I was told when I called this number below once already days ago(I am starting to doubt that information now fyi). I thought I could trust this source and I am wondering if someone just really screwed up. I did say I would normally cite sources but I would have preferred for someone to do that for me anyways though not specifically to you remember? Well take a good guess where that information was coming from.

This can be independently verified by contacting your local FSDO at your local FAA office, or by calling 1-866-289-9673 and talking to a very nice and well informed person named "Josh".

Well I never got your friend "josh" on the other end of the phone when I got led to this number days ago but then again having a friend inside like that certainly makes normal rules and regulations not apply to you now does it?

Oh, and I have traveled diapered through these airports all around the country and in and out of the country very frequently over the last 14 years. I have even been through the scanners while wearing a wet (not saturated or soaked) diaper as well and have NEVER at ANYTIME had anyone ask me to step aside or even inquire as to what was in my pants. Now, if I had been carrying a load back there….who knows?

I don't doubt that actually but since we both already knew you have a friend who could pull strings for you to get through security faster as you have mentioned already last year on other threads. I think your ease of passage is due to you being already flagged into the system so well that you can't even be seen on their camera's without the all the security knowing that you're IC and thus there is no need to do a search on you because they probably know about that along with your entire medical history on top of that anyways. It's almost like you where being disingenuous just now. By the way I was probably told significant inconsistencies over that phone number when I called it (I went through several 1-800 numbers until I got that one fyi) when I first started posting on this thread. I think I just got bad advice from someone who works with "josh". I'm going to call that number again later and specifically ask for "josh" but I have to tell you trust in matters like this happens to be hard to come by. You might actually want to call your friend yourself and talk to them about this because there is a lot that is not right here.

 

[Llayden]

... there are quite a bit more of those mandates then one would think based upon what I was told when I called this number below once already days ago. I thought I could trust this source and I am wondering if someone just really screwed up. I did say I would normally cite sources but I would have preferred for someone to do that for me anyways.





Well I never got your friend "josh"... but then again having a friend inside like that certainly makes normal rules and regulations not apply to you now does it?


... you have a friend who pulls strings for you to get through security faster as you have mentioned already last year I think that was because someone already flagged you into the system so well that you can't even be seen on their camera's without the all the security knowing that you're IC and thus there is no need to do a search on you because they probably know about that along with your entire medical history on top of that. It's almost like you where being disingenuous just now. ... You might actually want to call your friend yourself and talk to them about this because there is a lot that is not right here.

WOW. First thing, I never claimed having a friend named josh or knowing "someone on the inside"??? I do not know anyone that works in the TSA, airport security, or even at an airport. I only know the representatives name that I reached at the TSA (the source you cited and encouraged us to follow). I can tell you that he seemed extremely well versed in his job and civics.

The TSA will never be able to cite any foreign mandates it may or may not follow BECAUSE IT ENFORCES THE REGULATIONS SET DOWN BY CONGRESS. If Congress chooses to take another countries security measures into consideration, it is still congressional mandate that will dictate how or what the TSA enforces.

Now, I feel as though you might have me confused with someone else. I can assure you that there is no way possible that I am, or have been, accorded any special security screening privileges. There is no conceivable way anybody working in that administration would have that kind of power outside of them being the head of the agency and my personal friend, or I was a four star US repregovenatorident. Or, I own my own plane.

 

[AnalogRTO]

The last time I had to be on a plane was great for me. I got to the airport, walked through the terminal, got on the plane and we were on our merry way.

No security checks, no TSA, no worries. Why was it so easy? Because it was a corporate jet taking a group of us from San Jose to Phoenix. Not only is it better than flying first-class, but you get to avoid all the crap that goes with flying commercial. I only wish I could fly like that on a regular basis...