Why can't companies make good adult pull-ups?

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People have been asking for better designed adult pull-ups for years, but no one has managed to make any of them. They want the convenience of being able to simply pull it up and down with the higher absorbency of a typical adult diaper. Adult pull-ups tend to have so many design flaws, such as leaking after 1 pee, not having enough padding, coming in ugly colors, etc. I also heard that adult pull-ups were designed for females in mind. Every time I pee in a adult pull-up, it always leaks before I even finish peeing. Those design flaws are the main reason why I'm not a big fan of adult pull-ups. It's 2023 and none of the diaper companies are willing to make better designed adult pull-ups. It's not fair how companies would make good child pull-ups, but still make poorly designed adult pull-ups. This needs to be changed once and for all. Hopefully, if adult pull-ups were redesigned, then one of the ABDL diaper companies can make some with baby prints and pastel colors, but they should label them as adult training pants.
 
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they do! been wearing these for a long time hold a lot of pee and dont leak! check it out and buy a sample!


you can get them in white or black super super absorbent!! i swear if you try these thats all you'll buy! its the only one for me!!! and yeas you can mess in them as well, I do!
the attached tape goes in the back and its called a z tape and tapes it after you roll it up.
 
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ID is only which makes good pull up diaper.
ID InnoFit Maxi
It is basically diapet with velcro tabs which can be used like a pull up.
I am more on L size but M fits perfect.

 
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bigtoddler96 said:
People have been asking for better designed adult pull-ups for years, but no one has managed to make any of them. They want the convenience of being able to simply pull it up and down with the higher absorbency of a typical adult diaper. Adult pull-ups tend to have so many design flaws, such as leaking after 1 pee, not having enough padding, coming in ugly colors, etc. I also heard that adult pull-ups were designed for females in mind. Every time I pee in a adult pull-up, it always leaks before I even finish peeing. Those design flaws are the main reason why I'm not a big fan of adult pull-ups. It's 2023 and none of the diaper companies are willing to make better designed adult pull-ups. It's not fair how companies would make good child pull-ups, but still make poorly designed adult pull-ups. This needs to be changed once and for all. Hopefully, if adult pull-ups were redesigned, then one of the ABDL diaper companies can make some with baby prints and pastel colors, but they should label them as adult training pants.
I totally agree. I would love to see a pull-up with basically the working part of a good high-capacity ABDL diaper. And being the diapers I choose to wear aren't cheap I would be willing to pay your premium price for something like that.
 
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This might be wrong but, from what I heard, the actual design of toddler pull ups are copyrighted, so ABDL companies can’t really do much with the idea of ABDL pull ups.
 
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Ceras said:
This might be wrong but, from what I heard, the actual design of toddler pull ups are copyrighted, so ABDL companies can’t really do much with the idea of ABDL pull ups.
You’d be correct. Kimberly Clark and Proctor & Gamble both hold a lot of patents respective to their products that to a sizable extent prevent their innovations from being used on other products, like the Velcro sides on Pull Ups, for instance. There’s also the fact that adult products often have to work for a much larger sizing range than child products, so that probably also plays a factor in their construction.
 
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The OP makes several assumptions...

1. People have been asking for better designed adult pull-ups for years...

That may be voiced on this forum, but not by the general public. Most box stores have removed adult tabbed briefs from their shelves and only carry pull-ups. Most incontinence in the general public is stress type. So people are looking for the bare minimum of what will take care of their needs. Why wear a tabbed brief if a pull-up will do? Why wear a pull-up if a pad or guard will do? Why wear a thick pad or thick guard for minor drops? Manufacturing a better designed pull-up requires it to be profitable, and with the number of potential customers that may be difficult to accomplish.
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2. They want the convenience of being able to simply pull it up and down with the higher absorbency of a typical adult diaper.

As evidenced on this forum, people can have a difficult time with sagging of tabbed diapers, even plastic backed, which are the best fitting of all types. Pull-ups sag horrendously, unless they happen to fit your body type and size perfectly. So it's not just an issue of adding more padding and SAP, but better design that stays up better. At the same time, most people complain about the granny panty appearance, which is caused by the higher waist to provide more elasticated material to hold the thing up.
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3. I also heard that adult pull-ups were designed for females in mind. Every time I pee in a adult pull-up, it always leaks before I even finish peeing.

As stated, pull-ups are typically made for lighter incontinence, not full on voids. That said, have you tried a high absorbency pull-up such as the NorthShore GoSupreme? It has a 38 oz. capacity. Compared to an average pull-up, the GoSupreme absorbent pad has a much higher rise, both front and back, and is much wider and thicker. It is not a very discreet pull-up. I know for a fact it can handle a heavy void. I still do not trust it the same as a MEGAMAX tabbed diaper, but they are different animals. And you may be able to tear it off, you will still need to remove your shoes and trousers to put another one on. That's why I carry tabbed diapers in my changing bag, never pull-ups. I'm fortunate that the medium fits very snug so that it stays up, even when wet. As an aside in comes in black as well as white.
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The golden rule of manufacturing: delivery–quality–price, pick two. Also known as the unobtainable triangle. There is another aspect though–quantity.

In the disposable incontinence market delivery is always one of the two choices picked. If a customer can't get their preferred protection when needed, they have no brand loyalty.

Whether the choice is made for quality or price is determined by projected sales–quantity.

Large companies choose price over quality so as to manufacture the most widgets, thereby cornering the most market. Boutique companies choose quality over price to serve a niche market; gold widgets vs plastic widgets. And then there are companies that find a place between the the large corporations and small boutiques. This is called guerrilla marketing as it steals enough market share from the large companies for them to notice, but their large size makes it difficult to respond, while also drawing a small market share from boutique companies, because people want quality, but not the price.

In the incontinence market the large companies are evident. ABU, Tykables, Rearz, Bambino, and BetterDry are examples of boutique companies. And NorthShare is the great example of a guerrilla marketing company.

Disposable incontinence products are single use products. They have zero value in the mind of the end user. If you went to someone's house and they showed you their extensive collection of facial tissues and toilet paper, you would think they were crazy, because none of it has value. You blow your nose, wipe your ass, and throw it away. I'm incontinent, not ABDL, but I know that even for an AB or DL, once they wet a diaper, it has no value to them, it's going in the trash when it comes off, even if they had spent $100 for it. This is why companies think very carefully about what they are willing to invest into developing a new product.
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All that said, I agree with the OP's enthusiasm for high quality products. Being incontinent, the improvement in products over the last three decades has made my life much easier. I hope @bigtoddler96 that you call Northshore and ask for samples of the GoSupreme pull-ups. They may not be everything you want in a pull-up, but they may make wearing pull-ups a little more enjoyable until a good design for you comes out.
 
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Do you think that ABDL disposable training pants (the ones that are thick and high-absorbent with babyish/toddlerish prints) are a good idea? Would you buy some if the ABDL diaper companies were to start making them?
 
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You’d be correct. Kimberly Clark and Proctor & Gamble both hold a lot of patents respective to their products that to a sizable extent prevent their innovations from being used on other products, like the Velcro sides on Pull Ups, for instance. There’s also the fact that adult products often have to work for a much larger sizing range than child products, so that probably also plays a factor in their construction.
CheshireCat had all good points!
I’d only add… Concerning patents… In my research, I’ve found this to be true as well. Also, the machines are very expensive to maintain and change configuration of, esp in regards to building a quality product built to drive a “brand.”
Also, consider raw materials cost combine with what the market will bare. The issue here is elastics... pull-up style absorbent products use a lot more elastic (to work remotely as effectively as their counterparts), this also has manufacturing costs/trade offs associated with it.
 
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I work in a healthcare facility and for years we used the tena super briefs for our residents. We switched to prevail fit right briefs and pull-ups from med line and they are criminally inferior. Besides the more frequent changing of clothes and bed linen, our residents now have severe skin issues they didn’t have before the switch. Our administrators think we are saving the residents money but we’re burning through more product and spending more money. Our director of nursing and I keep pushing for our administration to switch back to tena but they won’t budge. Our admin said a diaper is a diaper and ones being bought are dirt cheap. Our residents are starting to complain about the new products. I remember when the sales rep from medline demonstrated the product for the care team; the briefs literally tore in half when he opened it up, he jokingly said the defect was a feature in its design.
 
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apzimm87 said:
I work in a healthcare facility and for years we used the tena super briefs for our residents. We switched to prevail fit right briefs and pull-ups from med line and they are criminally inferior. Besides the more frequent changing of clothes and bed linen, our residents now have severe skin issues they didn’t have before the switch. Our administrators think we are saving the residents money but we’re burning through more product and spending more money. Our director of nursing and I keep pushing for our administration to switch back to tena but they won’t budge. Our admin said a diaper is a diaper and ones being bought are dirt cheap. Our residents are starting to complain about the new products. I remember when the sales rep from medline demonstrated the product for the care team; the briefs literally tore in half when he opened it up, he jokingly said the defect was a feature in its design.
Why not just have them order either ABU Simple Ultra White, Dotty Plain and Simple White/Blue, Trest Elite White/Blue/Pink or NRU Str8Up White/Blue/Pink instead? They can hold much more than the mainstream diapers, plus they come in either plain white or solid colored. By the way, they're diapers, not briefs.
 
Companies can make good quality disposable Nappies but they would not sell many in comparison to one's that need to be changed often, it just comes down to simple maths and of course PROFIT !
 
bigtoddler96 said:
Why not just have them order either ABU Simple Ultra White, Dotty Plain and Simple White/Blue, Trest Elite White/Blue/Pink or NRU Str8Up White/Blue/Pink instead? They can hold much more than the mainstream diapers, plus they come in either plain white or solid colored. By the way, they're diapers, not briefs.
Healthcare does not live in the ABDL world. There are laws governing how a patient must be handled. If a patient(s) begins to experience skin breakdown or bedsores, the facility can be sued and/or shut down for abuse and/or neglect. Therefore, facilities put in place policies that will demonstrate to a court of law that they have done everything possible to prevent a claim of abuse and/or neglect. Placing a bedridden patient in an extended wear diaper infers that the patient is being allowed to remain in a wet diaper for a long period of time, and therefore not moved. This is a liability. Changing patients every 2 hours (and documenting it) shows that the patient is being attended to and moved on a regular basis. The problem is moving to an inferior diaper has caused skin issues, but the inferior diaper is qualified under Medicare & Medicaid, releasing the facility of liability for using that specific diaper. It's not morally right, but it's legal and profitable. Welcome to the real world.
 
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Healthcare does not live in the ABDL world. There are laws governing how a patient must be handled. If a patient(s) begins to experience skin breakdown or bedsores, the facility can be sued and/or shut down for abuse and/or neglect. Therefore, facilities put in place policies that will demonstrate to a court of law that they have done everything possible to prevent a claim of abuse and/or neglect. Placing a bedridden patient in an extended wear diaper infers that the patient is being allowed to remain in a wet diaper for a long period of time, and therefore not moved. This is a liability. Changing patients every 2 hours (and documenting it) shows that the patient is being attended to and moved on a regular basis. The problem is moving to an inferior diaper has caused skin issues, but the inferior diaper is qualified under Medicare & Medicaid, releasing the facility of liability for using that specific diaper. It's not morally right, but it's legal and profitable. Welcome to the real world.
That could be one reason why adult pull-ups are usually kept at low capacity so the healthcare facilities can change patients frequently.
 
Adult pull ups are made for lighter incontinence like bladder leakage but can still pee in a toilet fine.

But yeah they do need to make adult pull ups that hold one full wetting for caregivers for those who wear with Dementia that forget to go to the toilet but can still go when taken to one by the caregiver. The pull up will be for in case of an accident when they weren't taken to the toilet in time.
 
The only one I've been impressed with is the Forsite Pull-up but it's probably only available in Canada. It's sold by a company called Age Comfort and the two samples I tried really impressed me; super soft and held a few wettings.

It's true most pull-ups I have tried are pretty bad and I've had leaks.
 
The problem with adult pull-ups is the vast range of sizes of adults, causing them to leak if not a good fit. Companies probably wouldn't want to make a dozen seperate sizes for adults that would all have a snug fit
 
I’ve tried Liv Dry ultimate and the really are pretty good. Still can’t flood them but normal wetting you can get 3-4 out of them. And they are snug and comfortable
 
Mollicare premium mobile 10 seems OK. I mean not the same capacity as a tape-on, but it's getting close...
 
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Abena abri flex m3 are the best I’ve found capacity wise. Can take almost 2 full wettings. I like to use them when working out. But they look pretty ugly. Just a plain medical pull up
 
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