Who ready for Bernie Socialist President.

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Raise taxes on the upper class and close tax loopholes that allow multi billion dollar companies - like Amazon - to pay literally nothing in taxes. That will be a start.

Also, no one is saying taxes won’t go up - they likely will, but the net cost between the raise in taxes, and dealing with insurance companies (I.E. copays, premiums, deductibles etc) will save taxpayers money overall.

And the US is the only industrialized nation without a single payer system - so I find it hard to believe that it would cause an economic collapse in the US.
 

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We haven't even approached that bridge to cross - just a fraction of the nomination process.

AND THEN when we get over that bridge who is going to be number 2 to anchor the ticket to success ?
Bernie is old if he wins I want him to last 4 years and if not consider what direction we go in the meantime.
Will his programs be sustainable and past muster.
At this point the Democrats have serious issues - avoid shooting each other in their vulnerable feet to have a platform to stand on.

AND THEN there is the Bloomberg factor which is only beginning to come into play - - -
Everyone of these Democrats want to oust remove junk deport and a host of words printable and not to END the Trump regime !
The question to be answered is --- WHO WILL GET THE JOB DONE and leave the scattered remains enough to bring together again !
Consider that Trump money brought this to head - perhaps money is what is going to be needed to solve it !
That may not be solution but you fight FIRE with FIRE - dollar for dollar.

As such with the present quid pro quo the Constitution is indeed in jeopardy abandoned by the right wing Republicans taking
false Oaths in support of their cushy allegiant jobs to the soon to be if not stopped the dictator Trump.
Our founding fathers missed the article of what to do when Congress (the Senate) should be impeached as well !


On the recent news front - there is a motion to make the District of Columbia a 51st state - interesting to see how that develops !
 

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Socialism works great until you run out of other people's money.
In terms of advocating for our current system over Medicare for all, this argument really isn’t valid. The nature of insurance is to use other people’s money and give it to those who need procedures - single payer does the same thing in theory, it just cuts out the middle-man insurance companies.

Either way, you’re ‘using other people’s money’.
 
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It is easy to vote your way into socialism but you have to fight your way out of it.
The same could be said of fascism, which is where we are currently headed.

Socialist policies aren’t these ‘scary boogeymen’ the msm makes them out to be - we already have several enacted. Social security, government funded housing, disability/ssi, food stamps/EBT etc. are all socialist policies.
 

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Sanders idea for free college won't work. It's great in practice-but how will it work in real life? Who will fund it? I can't believe that it can all come from taxes. The money just isn't going to appear magically.

Let me be clear-I don't like Trump at all, but Sanders' ideas of free college and free universal healthcare is not practical.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Venezuela (could have been another Central/South American country) tried the whole "free college" thing a few years ago-and then there were riots in the streets because the government went bankrupt from trying to provide free college to everybody.
 
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I think Bernie would have a difficult time beating Trump, but who knows. 51% of the population say they would vote for anyone but Trump but the bigger problem is getting many of those people off their lazy butts and to the voting booth. When Hilary won the Democratic nomination, the Bernie backers stayed home on election day. Whoever the Democratic nominee is, they will have a tough time getting all their members out to the voting booths because the Democratic party is split into several directions and many people simply aren't very mature in their reasoning.

As for Bernie, I think there are less expensive solutions to some of the problems he addresses. If as a nation, we were able to significantly lower the costs of hospital stays, surgeries, $75.00 hospital bandages and of course, the cost of medicine. Why does insulin cost $300.00 a bottle for something that was developed in 1919, if I recall correctly? Why can't inexpensive 2 year colleges offer 4 year's worth of courses and a degree? (Think University lobby)

What we need is a president who is very very smart and can think themselves out of a cardboard box.
 

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I think Bernie would have a difficult time beating Trump, but who knows. 51% of the population say they would vote for anyone but Trump but the bigger problem is getting many of those people off their lazy butts and to the voting booth. When Hilary won the Democratic nomination, the Bernie backers stayed home on election day.
I realize the polls haven’t been entirely 100% on lately as far as the primaries are concerned, but Quinnipiac has Bernie beating Trump 51-43%.


As far as staying home on Election Day, that really won’t fly this time - he needs to be removed from the White House, he is quite literally testing facism. I really hope my fellow Berners don’t let their disappointment in losing the primaries (if he doesn’t win) stop them from voting this time around.
 

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The guy sent me annoying spam texts addressed to somebody else entirely, so that's an automatic "no" for Bernie in my book.
I don't like any of the options so I'm probably not going to vote. Or I'll vote for me. Bird for president. Show your support by flipping the bird.
 

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I don't like it, but be assured that one day when the people that own this world are lined up like they want there will be global communism for a while.
All that needs to be done is fix the money, then set off a pandemic or other serious catastrophe of some type. Some say that will be a fake 'alien' invasion.

Most people will be killed or rounded up for reprogramming. Those that want a handout and security will line up like cattle for the meal. Free house, basic minimum income, free healthcare, free food. Of course, that's only if you are a good little worker for the state. Due to all of the heavy surveillance they already know what you will do.

Imagine the number of people who you thought would die for their beliefs as they line up at the death trough because of their family's security and their nice current job. They will hand over the keys to their assets and take a blow torch to their own guns and soul when the time comes.

All of the alphabet agencies are ready to flip that switch when the time is right.

FREEDOM IS AND WAS NEVER FREE.
This is very unhinged and not an agrument so much as street ravings. Maybe try debating with sources instead of junk posting.
 
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The same could be said of fascism, which is where we are currently headed.

Socialist policies aren’t these ‘scary boogeymen’ the msm makes them out to be - we already have several enacted. Social security, government funded housing, disability/ssi, food stamps/EBT etc. are all socialist policies.
I think you really need to go back and do some serious research. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Bankrupt and now known as Russia. China also Socialist might look great. When you start searching the dark secrets. You find people who are working and living in Poverty and bearly getting any food then we have Venezuela which people are rioting saying stores don't have food and such.
 

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Socialism (communism) willnever betolerated in America... Taxes will skyrocket...
Socialism is already accepted in America. You have public roads and schools, for a start. How much money would Americans save if the government stopped maintaining the roads or funding schools?

It is easy to vote your way into socialism but you have to fight your way out of it.
Only because most people see socialist ideals as a "good thing". They tend to save money through centralisation and efficiencies of scale, and taxpayers don't want to scrap them and end up paying more in the private sector.

I think you really need to go back and do some serious research. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Bankrupt and now known as Russia. China also Socialist might look great. When you start searching the dark secrets. You find people who are working and living in Poverty and bearly getting any food then we have Venezuela which people are rioting saying stores don't have food and such.
I think you need to do some research! Look at the Industrial Revolution -- the golden age of capitalism. The masses were forced off the rural land and into cities, where they worked 20-hour days in conditions that were often fatal, and lived in slums, ankle-high in mud and horse dung, sleeping on a wooden bench, packed like sardines, and slumped over a rope. No education, no sanitation, no employment rights, emaciated, sleep-deprived, perpetually on the brink of starvation... Capitalism led to a situation where the rich set up workhouses, made poverty a crime, and enslaved the vulnerable, making a desperately dire situation even worse.

Only a tiny handful of wealthy philanthropists felt any responsibility to give back to society. Bazalgette is heralded as a hero of Victorian London for funding the building of a modern sewage system. But... you only have to look at the awe-inspiring intricate iron-work, and Cathedral-like chambers to see that the rich lived on another planet entirely! This is a building to pump shit:


Socialism is what has allowed Western countries to maintain growth after the boom of the Industrial Revolution. Social housing, clean drinking water, free education, free healthcare, public transport, workers rights, etc. has allowed us to flourish as a society.

Socialism is vital so that A) no one gets "left behind" and becomes a drain on the system and B) we can work together to achieve common goals in a cheaper, more efficient way.

Socialist ideas don't only benefit the poor. Can you imagine what America would be like if the government stopped funding education, and left it to the private sector? Would low taxes and a generation of illiterates make America great again?
 
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Look at how a fear of socialism caused the opioid crisis in America. Instead of trusting an independent healthcare organisation run by medical experts (i.e. socialism), Americans have been left with corrupt drugs companies driven purely by profit, marketing highly addictive drugs direct to the public and doctors (capitalism).

And the justice system. Rich suspects pay to be released from jail on bond; the poor are imprisoned for months without trial, unable to work, or are forced further into debt... All to fund the private bail bond system. Police departments directly profit from issuing fines, leading to corruption.

From what I've heard, this is even the case with income tax in America. Instead of a centralised system where employers deduct income tax and pay the government directly, it's left to the individual to sort out, leading to an unnecessary proliferation of private companies who profit from helping you with your taxes.

Socialist controls on capitalist profiteering are far better than a wild west where society is powerless against corporate exploitation. We are stronger as a team.
 

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Sanders idea for free college won't work. It's great in practice-but how will it work in real life? Who will fund it? I can't believe that it can all come from taxes. The money just isn't going to appear magically.

Let me be clear-I don't like Trump at all, but Sanders' ideas of free college and free universal healthcare is not practical.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Venezuela (could have been another Central/South American country) tried the whole "free college" thing a few years ago-and then there were riots in the streets because the government went bankrupt from trying to provide free college to everybody.
But, see, Germany has virtually free university. We pay maybe 200 USD per semester as an administrative fee, and even if that is too much there is an interest free loan system to help you out - if your parent's or your own income are below a certain point you might not even have to pay that loan back. I am not entirely sure what Sanders plan is exactly, but if you wanna look at functioning free colleges, look at Germany.

Also, funnily enough, we do actually have a church tax! But admittedly state and church aren't 100% separate here.
 

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When I went to university in the UK, it was free and poorer people received grants -- i.e. they were paid by the government to go to study for free. A few years earlier, even the wealthy were paid to study.

And we still have free healthcare that is far more practical that the insanely expensive and complicated system in the US, where society suffers for the benefit of profiteering shareholders.
 
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But let stick to what do people think of the idea of the USA being a Socialist controlled country.
Right now we face the very real danger of becoming a president controlled country. Continuing to allow the erosion of our constitutional checks and balances is the only way a socialist president could make us a socialist country. With the checks and balances restored even Satan himself would be limited in his authority over the will of the American people.
 

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And church pastors with 2/3 leer jets , limos , many high end cars living in 8 million dollar castles are of course helping who ? Get real .....
those are not repeat not christian pastors, they have tv shows and scam the general public big time, personally they should take all there money 100%, the only true christian i have ever seen on tv was billy graham,and he was not close to acting and doing what most of these tv evangelists do, although it is reported he had 25 million, as much as he traveled and preached, that is nothing compared to a lot of ceo's and tv evangilists, average clergy make 45k per year,
 

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by the way don't know how old any of u are but socialism is an absolutely a scam, will never work , if it even starts turning that way i am leaving this country asap!!!
 
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by the way don't know how old any of u are but socialism is an absolutely a scam, will never work , if it even starts turning that way i am leaving this country asap!!!
Again, we already have socialist policies - food stamps, social security, Medicare, government housing etc.

Even the police and army are arguably socialist institutions. Socialist policies are not these horrifying things that right-wing news sources make them out to be.

Edit: road-care is also a socialist program
 
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On paper Mr Sanders sounds good ... the problem is he has never clearly explained how he's going to ( logically ) pay for everything he promises.
nether did trump, now he wants to cut programs to fund more money to his S*** wall

socialist programs > useless money spending. How come people attack berine for the same thing trump is doing?
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Sanders idea for free college won't work. It's great in practice-but how will it work in real life? Who will fund it? I can't believe that it can all come from taxes. The money just isn't going to appear magically.

Let me be clear-I don't like Trump at all, but Sanders' ideas of free college and free universal healthcare is not practical.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Venezuela (could have been another Central/South American country) tried the whole "free college" thing a few years ago-and then there were riots in the streets because the government went bankrupt from trying to provide free college to everybody.
trump's ideas is not working. Who is funding all his spending? It would be the same thing. What is the difference? Trump harms the country with bad money spending where at least bernie would be trying to help the country.
 
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