Who ready for Bernie Socialist President.

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His ideas sound great. But when you start breaking down what will Socialist cost for America for lower and Middle class it sounds like a failed idea. What do you all think of it.
 

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I think a Bernie nomination means 4 more years of Trump.
That a possibility and I agree. But let stick to what do people think of the idea of the USA being a Socialist controlled country. Please do research on other countries who are also Socialist.
 

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On paper Mr Sanders sounds good ... the problem is he has never clearly explained how he's going to ( logically ) pay for everything he promises.
 
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Tax the rich that’s how ....we alll pay wayyyyyy to much in taxes . The rich I’m mean dripping rich live that way because they don’t hardly pay any taxes 🤔
Numbers please ?
According to the IRS ( 2017 ) the folks who make $200K or more per year only account for $1.8 trillion in total gross income .... that's far less money that it would cost to put all 331,000,000 people living in the US on Medicare ( 2018 per-person total cost ) .
 

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Numbers please ?
According to the IRS ( 2017 ) the folks who make $200K or more per year only account for $1.8 trillion in total gross income .... that's far less money that it would cost to put all 331,000,000 people living in the US on Medicare ( 2018 per-person total cost ) .
I know how to fix everything tax the churches have you seen how much everyone would bennifit from that 😳 they would still have loads of money so there is no excuse besides if their so Christian you’d think they would be ok helping so many in need 🤔
 

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Numbers please ?
According to the IRS ( 2017 ) the folks who make $200K or more per year only account for $1.8 trillion in total gross income .... that's far less money that it would cost to put all 331,000,000 people living in the US on Medicare ( 2018 per-person total cost ) .
According to your own reference "national health care expenditure (NHE) grew 4.6% to $3.6 trillion in 2018" double what you said those over $200k pay.
Socialism works great until you run out of other people's money.
 

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I know how to fix everything tax the churches
What the church gets in, if they are an actual church, should already be going to those in need, maybe after paying the bills the church has (mine is paying off a land/building purchase). More or less taxing the churches would be akin to the STATE saying what the church could do with the money they get in. Only way I would accept such is if, because they have to pay taxes, they get a say in state policy. Separation of Church and State is a key part of the USA and I'd rather see it remain that way or go all the way to the other end, none of this "you have to do what the state tells you, but the state does not have to do as you suggest or say".
besides if their so Christian you’d think they would be ok helping so many in need
Here is the thing, Christians at least those that are such in more then just name, believe in charity I.E. giving because they want to after their own needs are taken care of. That is the difference some can't seem to grasp, we are okay with helping those in need, as long as we don't hurt ourselves to do so and as long as it is our choice where the money goes.

On topic, I fear that a Sanders nomination will only lead to more years of Trump, even though I would likely vote for Trump if Sanders got the nomination. Some democrats might get my vote but Sanders is not one of them, I'd be more likely to vote for a moderate democrat.
 

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Can you be more detailed?
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Socialism (communism) willnever betolerated in America. Bernie's ideas are impossible, he is so stupid, he doesnt know how much his plans will cost. Taxes will skyrocket, there is not enough money in America to pay for his ideas. He is deranged, not as bad as biden, but his plans are only ideas, not thought through he will be rejected by americans
 

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What the church gets in, if they are an actual church, should already be going to those in need, maybe after paying the bills the church has (mine is paying off a land/building purchase). More or less taxing the churches would be akin to the STATE saying what the church could do with the money they get in. Only way I would accept such is if, because they have to pay taxes, they get a say in state policy. Separation of Church and State is a key part of the USA and I'd rather see it remain that way or go all the way to the other end, none of this "you have to do what the state tells you, but the state does not have to do as you suggest or say".

Here is the thing, Christians at least those that are such in more then just name, believe in charity I.E. giving because they want to after their own needs are taken care of. That is the difference some can't seem to grasp, we are okay with helping those in need, as long as we don't hurt ourselves to do so and as long as it is our choice where the money goes.

On topic, I fear that a Sanders nomination will only lead to more years of Trump, even though I would likely vote for Trump if Sanders got the nomination. Some democrats might get my vote but Sanders is not one of them, I'd be more likely to vote for a moderate democrat.
And church pastors with 2/3 leer jets , limos , many high end cars living in 8 million dollar castles are of course helping who ? Get real .....
 

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I know how to fix everything tax the churches have you seen how much everyone would bennifit from that 😳 they would still have loads of money so there is no excuse besides if their so Christian you’d think they would be ok helping so many in need 🤔
OK, except the fact that if someone wants to give their post-tax donations to a 501c3 why should it be taxed again? Of, course they have no problem creating extra taxes. I agree churches become little job creators for the staff and do little in most cases to really help like God would.
 

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I don't like it, but be assured that one day when the people that own this world are lined up like they want there will be global communism for a while.
All that needs to be done is fix the money, then set off a pandemic or other serious catastrophe of some type. Some say that will be a fake 'alien' invasion.

Most people will be killed or rounded up for reprogramming. Those that want a handout and security will line up like cattle for the meal. Free house, basic minimum income, free healthcare, free food. Of course, that's only if you are a good little worker for the state. Due to all of the heavy surveillance they already know what you will do.

Imagine the number of people who you thought would die for their beliefs as they line up at the death trough because of their family's security and their nice current job. They will hand over the keys to their assets and take a blow torch to their own guns and soul when the time comes.

All of the alphabet agencies are ready to flip that switch when the time is right.

FREEDOM IS AND WAS NEVER FREE.
 

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And church pastors with 2/3 leer jets , limos , many high end cars living in 8 million dollar castles are of course helping who ? Get real
Like all church pastors have those things? I am of the mind that those with personal treasures like those should be taxed just like the rest of us. However, that should be personal taxes on top of investigations to see if the pastors are "sheering the flock". You quoted me, but seem to have missed
if they are an actual church,
Christians at least those that are such in more then just name
To sum it up, there are those that use the name of "church" and "Christian" to hide what they do. Should the ones that don't pull such be treated the same as the ones that do? I say no, I just wish there was an easy way to determine the good ones from the bad.
 

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This country spends way too much on health care. Countries with national health insurance systems get better health care for less money. If taxes go up but private insurance premiums go away, I am okay with that. And I would really like not to have to worry that losing my job would mean losing my health insurance.
 
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