Who do you want to vote for and why, for the next president of 2020 (United States)

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AEI is Koch-funded as balls nowadays and, while it occasionally produces worthwhile analysis, can be pretty sketchy as well. Not only that but your link isn't even the result of a study just a George W. Bush healthcare aide who's in AEI talking on a cable political news show. The guy says something incredibly misleading in the first 15 seconds (that the Obama administration unilaterally controls drug prices). If you watched the video his argument is entirely hypothetical (that price schedules used for surgeries could be used for prescriptions, not that they are or were), so you either just went to www.I'mright.com, searched, and found a headline that sounded good without doing anything else but reading the headline or you just expected nobody else to dig far enough into it to see that the AEI guy presented an entirely hypothetical situation which got mangled into a flashy headline.

He even says that we don't have a drug cost problem aside from small, substantive specialty drugs. (A very suspect assertion, addressed later in this post) He says the problem is people are underinsured (debatable, because the drugs still cost a fortune to health insurance companies and would still propagate a systemic problem even if only people with "good" health insurance used them. You must not follow biotech markets as firms are making fortunes off buying up patents or production lines and being a local monopoly for a single drug and thus able to charge any price without having to withstand the vagaries of a competitive market. The headline rates you see are only present in drugs where firms have a monopoly or oligopoly on the drug) and lays that at the feet of Obamacare because more people are underinsured than pre-Obamacare, but neglects to mention that the gains in insuring the uninsured are almost the exactly the proportion that didn't have insurance in the first place, so the drugs at the consumer level are still cheaper than they would have been otherwise.

The rest of his argument is entirely theoretical and nearly lie by omission because there's a ton of extra factors that if he is any sort of expert he fucking knows about. For example, pharma M&A leading to depressed R&D which leads to more M&A as the look to poach outside firms who have developed promising drugs and buy them out instead of taking on the risk and long-term investment structure of R&D themselves, which is profitable in the short term for individual companies (no more R&D budget eating profits) but bad for the industry as a whole because R&D is more concentrated in small firms who are less capable of innovation. M&A as stated previously leads to monopoly power. Do you think epipens are so expensive because of Obamacare or because Mylan owns over 90% of the market for them and thus don't face the full pricing pressure of a competitive market? The largest bout of pharma M&A in history has occurred from 2010 to now and in that time 25% of generics saw their price double and nearly 5% rose by 500%.

Here's how biotech often investing works: you hear about a firm with a profitable drug, you invest and then you wait for Pfizer or Valiant or some other big dog to pick it up for twice the sticker price.

You should really know already to be suspect of anything that tells you all the animus for as complex as a system as prescription drug prices can boiled down to a single factor, especially when a majority of other outlets say differently. Here's a far better overview of the issue: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5278914/
 
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If you lived in California I bet you would not vote for her. Rent is $1600, Car insurance is high, People who make Minimum wage can't afford either a car or a room to rent. Let not forget the high gas price. $3,40 a gal. We put $50.00 in the car today. It did not fill it.
how about explain what she has to do with that. With your augment as is, all your doing is stating a Post hoc ergo propter hoc. They are not related, at least with how this is presented.

I would vote for almost anyone to get the criminal out of office. So that is all I have to say on this matter and what my posts been trying to explain here, that trump is pushing this country to be worse off then what it was before, all in the name of selfish gains for his businesses. Worried about losing relection, he blackmailed a country to "dig up dirt" get this crimnal out of offce who is unfit to lead and be a president anyway.
 
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Next election, so far im not set on anyone, but it wont be a democrat, with all the tax and spend bs they keep spewing, along with the reparations bull. Most likely and independant or libertarian. I will never relinquish my firearms not will i buy into either of the two major parties lies and corruption.
 

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how about explain what she has to do with that. With your augment as is, all your doing is stating a Post hoc ergo propter hoc. They are not related, at least with how this is presented.

I would vote for almost anyone to get the criminal out of office. So that is all I have to say on this matter and what my posts been trying to explain here, that trump is pushing this country to be worse off then what it was before, all in the name of selfish gains for his businesses. Worried about losing relection, he blackmailed a country to "dig up dirt" get this crimnal out of offce who is unfit to lead and be a president anyway.
I left california in 1991, due to it being unaffordable then. The government is destroying the state, care not for its citizens and only about breaking it to pure 3rd world status unless you live in certain areas of monetary status.
 

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It is a immuerate reply yes, "trolling" to "because I know it'll piss off a bunch of people here " you are basically posting with the intent for a reaction, that is not having fun that is being immature. I am sure you are used to joking in this manner because this is the internet and all, but when you are in space that specifically looking for mature discussions, such trolling intent should be left at the door. I am glad someone else commented because this isn't the first post like this from you. I really disagree with you calling out others saying we can't have a political discussion when you are part of the problem. You know what I am sick of? People not talking political discussions seriously enough and not thinking about the impacts one may be giving to the mass. People more susceptible falling for trolling bait think you would be 100% serious, this is how the qanon started ( some hard core trump followers thought some troll was serious and now it is an out of control cult) and having a president like trump is the result of such things, lets vote in someone just to piss people off.. What about voting someone on issues only? or voting someone in that is qualified, what happened to that? Should we destroy the internet completely because people are not mature enough to handle it? Do not forget trolling on the internet lead to someone bringing a gun in a pizza place, do not forget that.

I am only responding now, and not earlier to show CrinklyConnor is not alone, and I did not reply at first because I did not want to do so because I felt I may of made a reply that breaks the rules, so I was staying away from it.
So basically, you just went on a rant not related to this topic what so ever because I said "I'm keeping my voting preferences private" and then tagged on a little bit extra because politics on this site are never taken seriously by anyone and probably shouldn't be on a site about people who like to act like young children.

The thing is, You overreact to everything, if you can't take a joke you clearly can't handle the mature topics section and should probably stay away from it. I have serious mature conversations with people irl every day, let me tell you, the ones that go on here in this mature topics section, are not mature serious conversations, they devolve into people doing shit like you just pulled, you're rallying people against someone who made a harmless statement because you feel threatened and you just can't handle that someone has an opinion that is different from yours. you get overly heated in all political discussions about Trump, specifically in all of the political discussions about Trump. In fact, I'm sure you'll probably freak out that I said "Trump" now three times in this post.

But I digress.

Tl:dr My official stance is not to tell anyone who I'm actually voting for as honestly? Disclosing that causes too much drama.
 

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They absolutely all suck...

Bernie / Elizabeth will rob you blind while telling you they are giving you free education/healthcare. Nothing is free, its just redistributing who/how it is paid. Anyone buying this story needs to have their head examined. Yeah, Europe has free healthcare. It also has a 40%+ tax rate to pay for it and you wait months to see a doctor. No thanks.

Trump never was right in the head, but he truly has lost his marbles at this point. A terrible role model who constantly lies and bullies people. How he emerged as the forerunner of the primaries is sad. The weak excuse for a human being is shallow and truly only concerned for himself. I have no question of a doubt he would throw his own children under a bus to save his butt.

Biden just presents himself as a dull and tired. I doubt he would be able to energize people enough to get anything accomplished.

Democrats are dangerously moving to a socialist party, but while they want all the benefits, they don’t want to pay the burden. It doesn’t work. Republicans only care about making themselves rich and are socially way too conservative with topics like abortion, guns, equality, etc.

I imagine the vast majority of the country would prefer to vote for an independent that is not bound to party, financially conservative (i.e. no big government expenses/projects), and socially liberal. The do what makes you happy as long as you aren’t hurting others model. You know where as an adult you are ultimately responsible for surviving in the world. The problem is no one would vote for said candidate because it would be taking away a vote against the Republican or Democrat that they hate more.

And even though it hurts my own party to suggest this, we should abolish the EC. Candidates only care about a few swing states as a result of it and it discourages individuals like myself from voting as we know our state is already solid one way or another.
 
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So basically, you just went on a rant not related to this topic what so ever because I said "I'm keeping my voting preferences private"

The thing is, You overreact to everything

Tl:dr My official stance is not to tell anyone who I'm actually voting for as honestly? Disclosing that causes too much drama.
no, stop putting words in my mouth. That is all I am going to say because I like to see the thread go back on topic.

I left california in 1991, due to it being unaffordable then. The government is destroying the state, care not for its citizens and only about breaking it to pure 3rd world status unless you live in certain areas of monetary status.
But this says nothing, explain how. Does Nancy Pelosi have anything to do with it? if so how. I have not read or heard any of this but as is, this seems like false blaming when there is no reason or information to back up these claims. How does this impact who to vote for?
 
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I want to vote for the Democratic nominee, because I want a president who will bring this country back on track.

It is my opinion, I ask you respect it as I do yours, thank you.
 

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I want to vote for the Democratic nominee, because I want a president who will bring this country back on track.

It is my opinion, I ask you respect it as I do yours, thank you.
on track, from the current bunch running, What do you consider on track might i ask. I am not knocking or judging you a bit just curious as to your meaning of on track?
 

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on track, from the current bunch running, What do you consider on track might i ask. I am not knocking or judging you a bit just curious as to your meaning of on track?
Lets say we are on a train, and there is a nonstop route from new York to California, without switches or anything. Now somehow we are at the north pole because the conductor is trump.

We are at the point were just about anything will be better, pretty sure that is the point being made. (I/e winding up in Canada is better then the north pole)
 
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Lets say we are on a train, and there is a nonstop route from new York to California, without switches or anything. Now somehow we are at the north pole because the conductor is trump.
that didnty answer the question, what is on track, would it be giving billion in the darkness of night in cash to Iran, Selling uranium to russia, while your husband is paid 500k for giving a speech, would it be telling people that company owners didnt build it, their employees did? would it be worrying more about illegal aliens, who are all criminal by breaking immigration laws, than our citizens. if this is on track I dont want to be near that track. I have a degree in history the Democrat party is a racist entity in the guise of progressiveness, and lately leaning towards socialism, to quote Lennon, "socialism is but one step from communism". the republicans, ended slavery, passed the 13th, 14th, and 15 amendments with in 2 cases not one democrat vote, LBJ's great society act passed with all republican votes and few dem votes on a democrat bill. republicans went after the monopolies of oil and rail in the early 20th century under Teddy Roosevelt. Republican are money whores yes, but see all people as equal to gain those places by hard work and education. the first 23 black senators were all republican, MLK also A republican. Not all Democrats are bad and not all republicans are for the betterment of society over greed, I personally am no fan of trump his arrogance and demeanor are sad, but hes done all he can to actually keep campaign promises and is succeeding in doing so. I am a constitutionalist, and a libertarian not a democrat or republican, I beleive in what Jefferson stated, "when this country is ruled by only 2 parties it to shall be in peril. and we are in peril, the lefts ideologies are abhorent and the right religious zeal is petulant and unbecoming of our country, which is not a democracy but a Constitutional Republic.
 

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Please do not flame anyone for who they want to vote for and the reasoning why. Please keep this as positive and supportive/friendly as possible.

I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. Why: Well he's actually the first person running for president that I seem to really like and actually agree with about only 100 percent of the things he has said and done over the years. He has a really good down to earth character about him that i really like. I think it would be awesome to have medicare for all. He genuinely seems to care about our earth and everyone in it. Meant to put this in mature topics my apologies.
Bernie before becoming mayor never held down a job, he was kicked out of a commune in the 70s for being lazy, his ideas of free this and tax the rich is a lie, he has stated he doesn't want to pay his own tax percent he originally stated for millionaires and he is one. Nothing my friend is free someone has to pay for it, the government produces no commodities, it is there to to serve and they have forgotten this. also everything the federal government touches they screw up.
 

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My lens is the Constitution. I want politicians who will not reduce my freedoms. Do you want a Big Brother monitoring this forum?
I agree whole heartedly, we have too many laws in this country some noone knows of until they are arrested. we have the largest prison population per capita of any first world country, and a government bought and paid for by lobbyists and interest groups.
 

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no, stop putting words in my mouth. That is all I am going to say because I like to see the thread go back on topic.
Last thing I'm going to say on this as well, but I feel like it needs to be said: So it's okay for you to put words in my mouth and everyone else's mouth. . . I see. That explains so much.

Anyways back on topic. The people we have to choose from are all pretty much garbage. We haven't had good candidates for a long long time.
 

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And legitimate Executive Orders are sustained, illegitimate ones are not. Obama had some struck down.



The answer is no. You're asking whether something that does not exist should not exist? Of course it shouldn't - and it doesn't! A federal judge's ruling can and often is appealed to a district court, then can be appealed to the Supreme Court.



Obama had adverse rulings in federal court too. Several federal judges considered Obamacare unconstitutional and were overruled by the district and Supreme Court. The system worked then, and it works now.
to be honest Obama care was passed with not one republican or independent vote, when pelosi stated vote for it then you can read it, the entire congress and house should have shelved it. when the congress deemed them to have a separate health care and were free from obamacares regulation, the supreme court should have nulled it, as the constitution states explicitly that, " the congress shall pass no law in which they are exempt or held to a standard differing from the citizens". when the supreme court ruled that the word Penalty in obamacare meant tax that was disgusting as the two have entirely different meanings and the constitution states the federal government may not mandate citizens to purchase anything not of their own will.. the allowance of trans gender boys in girls locker rooms and restrooms is an insult to biological girl who are uncomfortable with a person having male sexual organs in the room while they change clothes violated their right to privacy from mens unwanted gaze. look at todays sports, trans girls, biologically male are destroying girls sports, female and male anatomy and chenical make up allow men to excell in way not common to most biological women, so no girls are stating i wont run track I can no longer win, against a boy in girls clothing. and its true, the acceptance of trans people is awesome, but to allow some things is beyond reproach, and unfair, the only people i refuse to accept are those who claim this non-binary nonsense and want to be reffered to as plurals or z and other such nonsense. also a district court does not have the power to make broad statements in regards to district not covered in their boundaries, only the national supreme court has national say.
 

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They don't get a veto. It gets appealed and decided eventually at a national level. Because America is a nation where the law reigns, not the ruler. It's a very important distinction/

There are plenty of countries where the President can do whatever he wants, no matter what the law says. Perhaps you would enjoy living in one of them? I rather enjoy being protected by the law and the judges, rather than an authoritarian and any mindless supporters.
the issue of late is partisan judges playing politics in violation of their oath to be neutral in judgement.
 

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I tend to be a somewhat centrist Democrat which means that the Democratic candidates I've been most impressed by haven't a snowball's chance in hell in being nominated.....sigh.
Im a liberally minded conservative myself about dead center. and agree. the people elected need to work for their constituents, and not lobbyists and special interest parties.
 

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that didnty answer the question, what is on track, would it be giving billion in the darkness of night in cash to Iran, Selling uranium to russia, while your husband is paid 500k for giving a speech, would it be telling people that company owners didnt build it, their employees did? would it be worrying more about illegal aliens, who are all criminal by breaking immigration laws, than our citizens. if this is on track I dont want to be near that track. I have a degree in history the Democrat party is a racist entity in the guise of progressiveness, and lately leaning towards socialism, to quote Lennon, "socialism is but one step from communism". the republicans, ended slavery, passed the 13th, 14th, and 15 amendments with in 2 cases not one democrat vote, LBJ's great society act passed with all republican votes and few dem votes on a democrat bill. republicans went after the monopolies of oil and rail in the early 20th century under Teddy Roosevelt. Republican are money whores yes, but see all people as equal to gain those places by hard work and education. the first 23 black senators were all republican, MLK also A republican. Not all Democrats are bad and not all republicans are for the betterment of society over greed, I personally am no fan of trump his arrogance and demeanor are sad, but hes done all he can to actually keep campaign promises and is succeeding in doing so. I am a constitutionalist, and a libertarian not a democrat or republican, I beleive in what Jefferson stated, "when this country is ruled by only 2 parties it to shall be in peril. and we are in peril, the lefts ideologies are abhorent and the right religious zeal is petulant and unbecoming of our country, which is not a democracy but a Constitutional Republic.
oh I misunderstood your question, I can't speak what their views are, i thought you just did not understand what it meant by not being on track.
 

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oh I misunderstood your question, I can't speak what their views are, i thought you just did not understand what it meant by not being on track.
I want your opinion of what on track to a better country is, what do you personally feel is the path we need to be on, I do not ever judge one by their ideals, but i like to pass ideas back and forth, an open mind is a great thing.
 

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Well first of all it goes to my first post, but I can detail a bit more I guess.

One single person is not going to have all the answers, that is a huge flag from the get go that trump thinks he does. This is why I had a reply to someone on "propose a better system" It is one thing to say a system is messed up, and another to figure out a better working one.

So where does this leave us? We need someone willing to work with people and lead. This is where trump falls short on and not really giving us a benefit. It is always blame dems for this, blame dems for that.. he is not LEADING. We need a leader that can shrink the political divide and unite people, so we can have reasonable, civil discussions. We will not be able to have free carry what ever we want for guns, but same time flat out banning them will also not work with our diversity with open land for hunting and such. What works in the open rural areas is not going to work in a dense populated urban area. We may not have full banning abortions, but we can curb the need for it, set up abortion subsidization and such... cuz I will say this now, flat out banning abortions will just lead people trying to do it on their own and harming themselves in the process.

You are not going to get anywhere with both sides tinfoiling each other! You need to work out issues based what other representatives and the population has to say so we can figure out the best solutions. For example:
"Selling uranium to russia " that is spun out of control by the right/ alt right. At the time with what was going on, Hilary did nothing wrong.
look at the references here on who made it an issue, the ALT RIGHT! Breitbart News is fake alt right nonsense and should be ignored whenever used as a reference.

I did more research on that and I forget the details now but there was trade regulations and other things that at the time of that deal was not in effect and perfectly normal.

You are not going to get anywhere having 2 extreme viewpoints making up conspiracy theories on each other.
 
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