Where do you stand politically?

Where do you stand politically?

  • Far left

  • Left

  • Center Left

  • Center

  • Center Right

  • Right

  • Far Right

  • I dont know

  • I dont talk about politics ever, and dont care to ever

  • Rather not say


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Daddy Niles

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That is the point. It was not replying to you, did you read the quote above it?We are done with this sub topic, has nothing to do with the thread.
Oh, you're right, I did miss that. Normally I expect that people reply to different people in different posts.
 

ZetaSonic

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I can think of quite a few, again coming up to the Spanish Conquistadors in South America. And, although a Christian Cultist, Hitler killed approximately 12-14 million people over 10 years of his reign of terror, from Jews, Gypsies, the Disabled, Homeless, and Political prisoners. In fact there have been a lot of wars where the international Church has been indirectly involved.

Religion however has always been detrimental to Humanity.
Ah, yes. The classic "Hitler was a Christian" card. The actual truth about that was that it was uttered early on in his political career in order to win support. The fact that he went as far as to de-Judaize the Bible and craft an Aryan bowdlerization contests that. My challenge to you, dear Oddy, is to provide a quote from Hitler or any other high-ranking Nazi leader regarding a core doctrine like the Trinity or the Atonement.

As for the Conquistadors, that was more politically and resource-motivated. Furthermore, would you approve of human sacrifice? That was a big part of Aztec culture, in addition to war.
 

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Ah, yes. The classic "Hitler was a Christian" card. The actual truth about that was that it was uttered early on in his political career in order to win support. The fact that he went as far as to de-Judaize the Bible and craft an Aryan bowdlerization contests that. My challenge to you, dear Oddy, is to provide a quote from Hitler or any other high-ranking Nazi leader regarding a core doctrine like the Trinity or the Atonement.

As for the Conquistadors, that was more politically and resource-motivated. Furthermore, would you approve of human sacrifice? That was a big part of Aztec culture, in addition to war.
Unfortunately for you, there is a lot of evidence to support Hitler being a Christian, try reading some of the first hand accounts from his advisors, which sheds a lot of light on the cultist nature of the 3rd Reich. Even looking at a Wikipedia source also reinforces my statement: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#1922
I will however order myself a copy of Mein Kampf (English) as that may provide a better source as of Hitler's religious stance, though it may also give me greater insight in the creation of a villain for a novel I'm currently planning on writing.

And Spanish politics back then was very heavily involved with the Spanish church, so the Conquistadors, although their involvement was political, it was religiously motivated.
 

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Unfortunately for you, there is a lot of evidence to support Hitler being a Christian, try reading some of the first hand accounts from his advisors, which sheds a lot of light on the cultist nature of the 3rd Reich. Even looking at a Wikipedia source also reinforces my statement: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#1922
I will however order myself a copy of Mein Kampf (English) as that may provide a better source as of Hitler's religious stance, though it may also give me greater insight in the creation of a villain for a novel I'm currently planning on writing.

And Spanish politics back then was very heavily involved with the Spanish church, so the Conquistadors, although their involvement was political, it was religiously motivated.
Such attitudes were holdovers from a pre-WWI mindset that Germany was a God-chosen country that was devastated by the Treaty of Versailles. Still waiting on a direct quote from Hitler on the Trinity or Atonement.

Also, if Osama bin Laden claimed to have been a model American patriot at some point in his life, would you take him seriously?
 

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Such attitudes were holdovers from a pre-WWI mindset that Germany was a God-chosen country that was devastated by the Treaty of Versailles. Still waiting on a direct quote from Hitler on the Trinity or Atonement.

Also, if Osama bin Laden claimed to have been a model American patriot at some point in his life, would you take him seriously?
I actually linked you a page of his quotes, including quotes from his own book, about his Religious views, right upto 1945 and subsequent suicide in April of 1945. And these are direct quotes. Edit: It does make a mention of "Our Lord and Savior was a warrior" so it does have some mention of Jesus, and Hitler's religious views did infect the Islamic community, in fact an argument can be made that the current problem with modern day Jihad stems to what Hitler said publicly about Islam (publicly he was in support of, privately was a different matter).

Apples and Oranges, we are talking religion not patriotism.
 
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Far left, I just don't see all the FUD around socialism. I think it has very nice concepts like worker self-management. Like everything, there's good and bad implementations. Also while there are core tenets, stagnation and stasis is the enemy of any ideology, and as such ideologies must change and evolve with the times in order to adapt to constantly changing circumstances. For example as more and more menial jobs are becoming automated, we are going to face an unprecedented technological unemployment crisis in the coming decades and we need solutions to deal with it. Universal Basic Income or UBI is one solution proposed to deal with the upcoming crisis.
 

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I dont really get too much into politics, but I think in The United States we have the Government doing too much and taking too much in taxes from everyone (unless you dont pay and get in Legal Trouble or are Tax Exempt) to largely do things with little or no gain to the average person that they get the majority of the Tax money from.

Then you have the 1% getting all kinds of tax breaks they shouldn't be getting whether it is a lower % taken or they pay money to charities and it counts as a tax credit so that's why they pay less $ in taxes.

If some people can live in such excess they shouldn't be given extra tools to help them out while the average person doesn't; like there shouldnt be such a huge divide.

Like I'm not chasing after a Super-Mansion, 5 Million in Cars, and millions in the bank, I would just appreciate it if I could live comfortably while you can still let people live in excess, but you shouldn't have a CEO making 6-7+ digits of pay a year while the average worker is struggling just to survive.

I guess in this regard more government involvement may actually be called for; such as that Amazon Bill calling for a CEO pay cap of 5 times the lowest paid worker, which I think still allows for a great lifestyle with plenty of excess.

I have also seen a post somewhere about potential candidates running to become the Democrat? Nominee for 2020 and one of them had something mentioned about $100,000 a year being made in a Family of 4 or 5? If I am remembering this correctly that clearly doesn't go far enough in some places, but maybe in others it would be enough?

I know at my last job I probably averaged under $25,000 take home pay per year, which for New York State is quite pitiful and I was struggling a lot even with my Mom having a decent job most of the time (even 2 Full Time Jobs at one point); now if there were 4 of my in my house with the same level job we would be doing amazing.
 
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Far left, I just don't see all the FUD around socialism. I think it has very nice concepts like worker self-management. Like everything, there's good and bad implementations. Also while there are core tenets, stagnation and stasis is the enemy of any ideology, and as such ideologies must change and evolve with the times in order to adapt to constantly changing circumstances. For example as more and more menial jobs are becoming automated, we are going to face an unprecedented technological unemployment crisis in the coming decades and we need solutions to deal with it. Universal Basic Income or UBI is one solution proposed to deal with the upcoming crisis.
because it does not work, I will explain what I mean and why systems like what Bernie wanted does not work.

So we have everyone working, be it doctors, actors, teachers, etc, to low skill work like fast food. Whatever you are supposed to make you do not get directly, but to the government. Then the government hands out everything equity. Why should I work if money is just going to be handed to me? What about people with disabilities? people trying to get injured so they do not have to work? society collapses. There is no reason to invent, innovate, etc outside someone's good will, and you will not find many fitting that.

UBI is a great idea though, and it will save headache around giving out welfare. However a far left socialist ideology does not work, and I really think a big problem we have is these large cooperations getting away with tax evasion though loopholes.
 
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I am a former social-democratic political candidate (oddly enough, after beginning in diapers 24/7 - stick that in your pipe and smoke it).
 

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I actually linked you a page of his quotes, including quotes from his own book, about his Religious views, right upto 1945 and subsequent suicide in April of 1945. And these are direct quotes. Edit: It does make a mention of "Our Lord and Savior was a warrior" so it does have some mention of Jesus, and Hitler's religious views did infect the Islamic community, in fact an argument can be made that the current problem with modern day Jihad stems to what Hitler said publicly about Islam (publicly he was in support of, privately was a different matter).

Apples and Oranges, we are talking religion not patriotism.
Ah, but religious affiliation is similar to patriotism: there's a rubric -- studying Christian scholarship, supporting the international Church, etc., not too far removed from serving in the military and studying the Constitution. So, sorry, the "Hitler was a Christian because he said he was one" argument is deficient. I checked your quotes, nothing close to a foundational doctrine, but a ton of contempt for us.

If all Hitler had to do was claim to be one of us, then what would you make of Gandhi when he said this.
 

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Ah, but religious affiliation is similar to patriotism: there's a rubric -- studying Christian scholarship, supporting the international Church, etc., not too far removed from serving in the military and studying the Constitution. So, sorry, the "Hitler was a Christian because he said he was one" argument is deficient. I checked your quotes, nothing close to a foundational doctrine, but a ton of contempt for us.

If all Hitler had to do was claim to be one of us, then what would you make of Gandhi when he said this.
Sorry but Patriotism and Religion are not the same thing, going out and preaching about your codswallop is not the same as going out and defending your country. And unfortunately for you, like many in Islam with their fundamentalists, you cannot really say that he isn't Christian when he says quite a few times that he was a Christian. So you cannot pick and choose here.

And as for Gandhi's quote, assuming it is real, it is more pointed towards religious rivalry than anything else, since I';m guessing you are trying to twist it into him saying Atheists don't exist.
 
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"Where do you stand politically?"

Well, for me... I stand pretty carefully.

Let's just say that in real life I am a cowboy who works with cattle. Being on a cattle ranch, you go through the corrals and you have to carefully watch where you step as there are green landmines scattered all over. At times, these can get very deep.


Well... right now I am sorry to say, but I see most politicians (on all sides) being so full of it and full of themselves that it is worse than any corral I have ever walked through. ;)


 

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Sorry but Patriotism and Religion are not the same thing, going out and preaching about your codswallop is not the same as going out and defending your country. And unfortunately for you, like many in Islam with their fundamentalists, you cannot really say that he isn't Christian when he says quite a few times that he was a Christian. So you cannot pick and choose here.

And as for Gandhi's quote, assuming it is real, it is more pointed towards religious rivalry than anything else, since I';m guessing you are trying to twist it into him saying Atheists don't exist.
Gandhi said he was one. Case closed, according to you?

Define your terms. What did Christianity mean to Hitler?
 
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Gandhi said he was one. Case closed, according to you?

Define your terms. What did Christianity mean to Hitler?
You missed the point entirely.

If you actually red anything from the link I gave you you'd know what Hitler's stance was on Christianity, however I take it this is just a deflection tactic.
 
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I don’t pay attention to politics, it’s not real, it’s just a show. The people are on a need to know basis and what’s really going on the people need not to know. The President is just a distraction. The people in the shadows really run the world.
 

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You missed the point entirely.

If you actually red anything from the link I gave you you'd know what Hitler's stance was on Christianity, however I take it this is just a deflection tactic.
Dude, anyone can just say they're one. It doesn't make it true.
 

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Dude, anyone can just say they're one. It doesn't make it true.
I agree with this but makes me wonder, those cases with wedding cake bakers, and they did not want to service someone cakes because "christian freedom" but in acting like that violated the core Christian beliefs, are they "Christian" at this point?
 

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Closing, as this thread has gone so far off the rails, there's no chance of it getting back on track.
 
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