sinceiwassmall said:
I’m guessing it says right on your driver’s license whether you need to wear glasses to drive, or have any other health-based restrictions. I’m guessing many of us wear a Medic-Alert or similar bracelet showing an allergy (like penicillin) or an illness (like diabetes or heart disease) that requires special consideration. I’m guessing lots of us are carrying a card that says we’re an organ donor and something that has our blood type on it in case we get injured.
I doubt any of us have ever been troubled by these things at all.
I think the privacy questions involved in proof-of-vaccine-status are at best exaggerated. The public safety interest is overwhelming, the legal question in the US is clear from Jacobson (the case referred to above), and I have no concerns about carrying such a card myself at all.
Every proposal I’ve seen for vaccine-related identification would give those who have a legitimate medical reason for an exemption the same status as anyone who is double vaxxed. The point is, no one has a right to endanger other people’s health in public places for no justifiable medical reason.
If you can’t see without your glasses, you don’t get to drive. If you’re carrying Ebola or COVID, you don’t get to get on a plane. If you won’t wash your hands, you don’t get to work in a kitchen. If you treat these fairly obvious public health and safety rules as violations of your freedom, you get arrested, because people you’re affecting have a right to be protected from that kind of reckless selfishness.
Oh I see the your point (and in case you missed it - I AM fully vaxed, have been for months) but maybe not all - a lot of that there is alturnitives to. In my case I don't drive anyway - haven't for years - and yes mainly because of sight, but honestly don't know if there test says it's fine or not, just I don't trust it, so didn't bother (again personal responsibility). I also have been avoiding commercial air travel for years because of other things I don't like - but the restriction you mentioned there only applies to commercial flight - there is always the option of hiring a private pilot who doesn't care if you want to bad enough (although I can't imagine why you would want to go anywhere really if you are sick let alone by air, unless it's to get treatment - and if needed there are other ways in place, but yes there are times you carry, but not sick yourself) Hands and working with food, again plain stupid - don't see why anyone would - but in any case, sure you see signs all over in places like that, but no one actually checks, they just assume you are not an idiot - and if you are, and someone gets sick because of it, you are surely liable for it.
There are actually lots of things that could effect other peoples health/safety that no one actually checks for - but if you choose to ignore, your responsibility if anything happens as a result.
Now obviously I would highly recommend everyone that can, without medical reason not to, go ahead and get it - those that don't yes are obligated (morally) to be even more cautious because of that choice. But when it comes to others knowing about it, that do not have an immediate need to know (in that case medical professionals engaged in treatment) I just have a huge issue with.
Pre-COVID there already was too much privacy gone (always have, that I can remember, come down on the side of privacy - might be one or two exceptions) - and that is the main thing I have always wanted to see restored - to the point you had it WELL before I was even here. Just always was one of my main gripes in general - and now you want more. That I can remember, there was never enough - and plenty of times avoided things to keep that (including things I was in compliance with anyway), so no real change here, and I somehow doubt COVID will be the last here.
But despite all that - I really do get the knee-jerk reaction - but still figure you need more privacy than you had pre-COVID not less - but also if anything does happen because someone didn't do something - it's on them.
Either way, this is something you sure could go back and forth about forever, I know that much. I know the idea is to balance both, but I really don't see how you can. No matter what or how you do it, someone is not going to be happy. But I personally just am not willing to give up anymore regardless of why - you had too much to start with. And really I want some of that back - in fact a good bit of it.
But no argument the you should get the thing (and I have) - it's the asking to show medical info to non medical, or non-treating medical personnel is where I have the issue. (any medical information).
Now I do have a slight bend, you likely will like - as far as schools (at least lower that collage) I'll hand you that with no argument - there though it is a bit of a different story.
