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It's pretty clear cut, it doesn't really matter what our intent is, it doesnt matter that for some/a lot of us that it doesn't actually have a sexual aspect to it

You just cant discuss these things with a Minor without risking things being taken the wrong way and perhaps being labeled as a "Predator" or added to the "Sex Offender Registry" and going to jail for either one

It just ain't worth the risk to interact with a minor on these subjects, they can wait until they are 18+, until then they can figure things out on their own or on TBDL specific parts of the internet
 

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I hope I can be clear and concise, for once, about what I am, and am not, saying. We don't develop in vacuums, hence why it's called the theory of Psychosexual development.

Even the newer theories around sexuality don't scream, "No! We don't gain sensation, parts, or a blood supply, until we're grown!"

Our personalities develop alongside our sexualities. That's why so many of us, "know," so soon, even if we don't have the words for it.

I'm operating on the assumption that it's all called paraphilic infantilism, rather it's recognizable as sex, or registers with the ginitals of the individual ABDL, or not, because of that concurrent development, not because we're too stupid to know ourselves.

Note, I said it was all called paraphilic infantilism. The word disorder never came out of my mouth. The DSM 5 now makes the distinction between a simple paraphilia, not pathological, and thus, not billable, and a paraphilic disorder, pathological and billable.

The whole, "If you're replacing romantic bonding or sex with this, this is your sex," thing, was me trying to wrap my mind around an argument, something said by a sex therapist, on a previous podcast, and then restated by someone else, on a later podcast.

I wasn't trying to be repulsive.

I've often suspected that therapists know how soon sexuality starts, and how tied to the psyche it is. Maybe that's where they're pulling from? Them pulling from a knowledge of early sexuality, might be why we're considered paraphilic infantilists. This may not look sexual. If you wouldn't describe it that way for yourself, fine. The guy with the emotional, and possibly romantic, attachment to pool toys didn't get off on them either, but was still classified a fetishist. Why? It makes me think maybe white coats grasp paraphilias as happening in the formative years, so, maybe from their view, sex is about all the good stuff like unusual love and unusual pair bonding, not just getting off? That has to be it! It's the only way it makes any bloody sense!:ROFLMAO:

I'd rather we stay as we are, DSM wise, (no B in front of it. I mean the manual.) which is having a simple paraphilia, unless it becomes a problem, than being reclassed as nuts.

That classification, is why minors don't belong in it, and why it's so hard to have it in you as a kid.
 
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I knew by the time I was 5 that something about diapers, and not acting my age, was in me, and I felt weird, and abnormal, and not okay. That doesn't mean I belonged here, or in any other adult community, socializing with adults, and talking about adult things. It means I know how bad it sucks being BDL as a kid.
 

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Funsizejake, is it possible you take issue with me, and not Topex? I know that early sexuality is a lot to wrap one's head around, and with it starting so soon, I could see myself being misconstrued as saying something I wasn't. No one in her right mind would say, "Sure, it's not a fetish. Involve kids here, and in other ABDL communities, and I say her right mind, because I'm talking about me.

That being said, many, many people who would one day be us, would attest to it starting in childhood, just like most fetishes, and it positively sucking not having anyone to talk to about it.

Topex, you don't find the urge to do this to be intense, especially if you try to ignore it? Must be nice for you. I know it's hard to understand, especially because I don't equate this with, "f%$* me," either, but my understanding of current theory is, that it's been in me since before I knew what my parts were for, so no wonder it's about, "Love me and bond with me," rather than that.

Here's that podcast where the by 8 thing is mentioned, if you're interested.

http://sexsavvypodcast.com/episode-9-adult-baby-diaper-lovers-part-1/

http://sexsavvypodcast.com/episode-10-abdl-part-2/

As far as the originator of the, "This might be your sex," thing. It's kinda like playing telephone, but it sounds very Dr. Rhoda Lipscomb.

Man, we just got depathologized. I hope we don't get repathologized again because some people don't grasp early suxuality.
 
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I can remember when we had 13 year old's legitimately on this site and they'd ask, "should I buy diapers and just hide them from my parents" and we'd have adult members answer, "Sure. You should buy all the diapers you want and be sure to use them." Of course, there's a difference between being anonymous on a website and having a sixteen year old in your room, talking about diapers. I must confess however that I have a 7 year old in my house all the time and she sees me in diapers, but it's my dog. Much safer.
 

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Funsizejake, is it possible you take issue with me, and not Topex? I know that early sexuality is a lot to wrap one's head around, and with it starting so soon, I could see myself being misconstrued as saying something I wasn't. No one in her right mind would say, "Sure, it's not a fetish. Involve kids here, and in other ABDL communities, and I say her right mind, because I'm talking about me.

That being said, many, many people who would one day be us, would attest to it starting in childhood, just like most fetishes, and it positively sucking not having anyone to talk to about it.

Topex, you don't find the urge to do this to be intense, especially if you try to ignore it? Must be nice for you. I know it's hard to understand, especially because I don't equate this with, "f%$* me," either, but my understanding of current theory is, that it's been in me since before I knew what my parts were for, so no wonder it's about, "Love me and bond with me," rather than that.

Here's that podcast where the by 8 thing is mentioned, if you're interested.

http://sexsavvypodcast.com/episode-9-adult-baby-diaper-lovers-part-1/

http://sexsavvypodcast.com/episode-10-abdl-part-2/

As far as the originator of the, "This might be your sex," thing. It's kinda like playing telephone, but it sounds very Dr. Rhoda Lipscomb.

Man, we just got depathologized. I hope we don't get repathologized again because some people don't grasp early suxuality.
I'll repeat what basically everyone in this thread has summarized, as it is not very difficult for anyone to wrap their head around. If both parties are not legal adults or both parties are not minors, there should be no discussion whether it be online, in person, suggestive, coercive, or subliminal about adult activities, pornographic activities, fetish-ized activities, or any topics synonymous with what was just listed. It does not matter whatsoever what the fetish is. It could be simple BDSM, DDLG, scat, blood, feet, etc. The point is that the content of the conversation doesn't matter, the premise is what is important, and the premise in this situation is that both parties need to be legal adults. I hope you don't take exception to anything I've said, my intent was not to start a fight or argument.
 

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I'll repeat what basically everyone in this thread has summarized, as it is not very difficult for anyone to wrap their head around. If both parties are not legal adults or both parties are not minors, there should be no discussion whether it be online, in person, suggestive, coercive, or subliminal about adult activities, pornographic activities, fetish-ized activities, or any topics synonymous with what was just listed. It does not matter whatsoever what the fetish is. It could be simple BDSM, DDLG, scat, blood, feet, etc. The point is that the content of the conversation doesn't matter, the premise is what is important, and the premise in this situation is that both parties need to be legal adults. I hope you don't take exception to anything I've said, my intent was not to start a fight or argument.
Exactly! Don't worry. I don't disagree with anything you said.

That, "I'm 5. Why are diapers still in me," or, "I'm 13, and thank God I'm boy crazy as hell, because if I was gay, the family would flip, but why the hell is my response to a really hot guy I know a lot about, to want to love him though an accident!? He's older than me. He probably doesn't have those. What is this," or any other the other feelings related to this thing of ours, were hard for me.

I don't care how hard they were on me. I didn't belong in an adult community, until I turned 18. BDL can be in us before 18 all it wants. Most white coats think fetishes start in early childhood You were 7 or 8? I was 5ish. We can't be in it, until we're legally grown, because it's a fetish. That's what the white coats call it, not necessarily a fetish disorder.

The whole, "How, if it's not sexual," thing?

I get it. I feel it. When I'm in Littlespace, the last thing I want is to boink. After Little time is over, things might be a different story, because my Little side isn't starved for attention, anymore. Don't know. Never boinked right after Littling. My personal experience doesn't make one bit of difference as to rather or not white coats consider it a fetish! They can think what they like, and maybe they have some grasp of it most don't.

Maybe their take is, "It's been in there so long, no wonder it's a love language for you, and you don't want to boink in Littespace, and no wonder when you did hit puberty, you wanted to be the Big. Those feelings you felt for that hot guy, we're not little kid feelings, although they didn't involve boinking either"?

Infantile sexuality is a genuine white coat term, but they're saying humans don't develop in vacuums, that It's not like a light switch. You don't just hit puberty, or turn legal, and everything is in place. The groundwork for what humans will one day like, is laid before then, NOT, "Sexual discussions pictures or anything else sexual with children is justified."

I heard someone mention a CAPCon class about where ABs came from, and the class title was something like, "infantile sexuality and the origins of ABDL," or something, and being shocked, I looked up what these crazy white coats were talking about. Sigmund was a little nutty. He also didn't want angry parents coming after him saying he was accusing them of being low lifes. Regardless of if its a love map issue, an imprinting issue, or Siggy was right, the looneytoon, most of the time, it's in there in childhood. Not talking about the "parts responses," just the desire for diapers and childish objects.
 
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I didn't mention you because I wanted to argue. I'm just used to being the one with cerebral palsy and trouble communicating, so when misunderstandings happen, I assume it's me. I just really hate being misunderstood. I'm with you. No matter when we start liking what we do, and usually it's early, kids don't belong in adult communities, even if it does suck to be young and like weird stuff. All I meant was, it sucks they don't have anywhere as tame as here to go, and I'm sad for them.

I don't like seeing myself post either. I promise. With cerebral palsy, that one hour edit limit kills me. I just spent the better part of my last editing hour stuck, literally stuck, with my drawstring under my foot rest.
 
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Darn time limit! God forbid someone have to eat dinner!

I mentioned how early most fetishes start, not to try to justify letting them in, but to counter, "It's not sexual. Let kids in," with, "We don't know that, from one person to the next. Most fetishes start too early, and just because it isn't sexual enough to register with one person as such, doesn't justify letting kids into ABDL, because the A is there for a reason, and personal experience doesn't change how white coats think of us. How they think of us, should be enough for any sane, reasonable adult, to say, "Woah, no minors!"
 
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Don't we dare! Don't we dare allow a person into ABDL, as early, and slowly, as humans develop, before said person is done developing, or at the very least, legal. Kids are still developing. We could do damage, no matter how well meaning we are.

That was what I was trying to say by bringing up development.
 

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The whole ideology that "regression isn't sexual for some people, it isn't a fetish, so it's okay to participate in it with minors, blah blah" is complete bullshit. If you're trying to make a case, or question yourself about participating in something with a minor, it's already a no-go. It's not hard guys, come on. If they aren't 18, don't push any boundaries. They're legally children. Fuck the anecdotal "I was working at 16 paying for my own place working 2 jobs still in school so adulthood is based on maturity" bullshit. Adulthood is not based on maturity. Adulthood is being 18 (Insert your country's legal adulthood age here). Go ahead and try that "adulthood is based on maturity and not age" speech in front of a judge. Just. Don't. Do. Anything. With. Minors.
Good. Since no one was making the argument that adulthood was based on anything other than legal terms, then no one here has any pedo tendencies. Lovely. Actually, the brain isn't done growing until 25. I have CP. and typing hurts, so sometimes, patently obvious shit, like, "We aren't pedos. Let's try not to look like them, shall we," gets left out, because everyone here already knows that, so I don't feel the need to type it.

One point I made was, "Not a fetish for some people? Fine, but what is it then? We're no longer disordered! Enjoy it, before those who are uncomfortable with the word fetish, get us renutsified! Could the assertion that it isn't sexual hurt ABDLs by getting them repathologized? Better the kink we know, than the disorder we don't. Maybe the white coats know some stuff. Even a broken clock is right twice a day."

Other points I made were, "I know how bad being the weird kid sucks, and, "Human sexual development happens earlier than some people think. This is where I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't, and still am not, condoning impropriety with minors.

I was, and am saying, "Um. . . Y'all, these ones aren't grown yet, and given how early they start, and how late they finish, they shouldn't be here, until grown, as we could do harm. They aren't fully formed yet, psychologically."

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I think I could have gotten that out a lot sooner, if I hadn't been responding to Topex. We mix like oil and water sometimes, usually because one misunderstands the other.

I'm also sorry I'm not a great communicator. Hopefully I'm understood now. My God it's 1:20 in the morning! That p word, man. I don't care if I sleep, or hurt, or not. My brain won't let that fly.
 

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Aha! Helpful!


Sex is acts. Acts no child should be involved in, obviously!

Did everyone hear the qualified, professional, clinical psychologist say, "Sexuality starts when life starts, and is part of everyone's personality"?

That's how this is all considered abnormal sexually, rather it gets us off or not. Sexuality is in us from the start, and is deeper than the acts of sex.

She wasn't talking about sex, or sex or sexual orientation, and neither was I, just sexuality. I knew the pros had a different grasp than we did! I knew it!
 
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