Uhm... well, an uncomfortable topic, but I really need to work this out....

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ZodiacPup

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Well, where to start? Never mind, I'll just write this "on the fly". Hope you don't get annoyed by split ideas.

Anyway, as you can see on my profile and under my avatar, I'm from MX. Normally the first thing that comes to your mind with that is f...... immigrants. I'm totally against illegals and sort (they give us all a bad name), but how to tell people. I've had bad online days because of my nationality -- lots of people have really strong prejudices-- and I've got banned, rejected or ignored from other forums.

I consider I'm not a bad person or a jerk or else, I gave good knowledge of things and I'm always willing to help, but it seems like no one cares, for them I'm worth crap.

I know that's none of your business or that you could be doing something else rather than reading this, but I really needed to tell this to someone, and because this is a very helpful and friendly forum, I thought "well, why not?".
 

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Well is there like a question to this? I could care less where you are from...Not all immigrants are from Mexico, so people shouldn't really assume you are one
 

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I try to judge people on an individual basis... you don't seem bad at all. If I have a problem with illegals or anything it is out here in the real world. Online we're all the same.
 

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I'm sorry to hear that some people make a big (negative) deal about that. Very unfair to take out their gripes on you. I did notice you were from Mexico in your introduction and my basic thought was "cool, we're picking up people from different places!" I prefer to let personality and character dictate how I respond to people, so I hope you'll let us get to know you better.
 

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We're having the same problem in the Netherlands, here if you're an immigrant (even legal ones) you are bad and cause trouble. At least that's what everyone here seems to think. It's not as bad anymore due to that asshole in the politics that wants to kick all immigrants out of the country and force everyone with a double nationality to chose. That would mean that even I have to make that choice!!! And I've been born here! His plan backfired if you ask me as people have become more acceptant. If you wonder who I'm talking about look for "Fitna the movie" and you'll find out. [highlight]I do not agree with what's being said in this movie, that's Wilder's view on it and only his![/highlight]

Point is, people that don't have the intellectual capability to think past groups exist there also exist people that don't want to think in anything other then groups. I really don't agree with this way of thinking but you can't escape it.

Also like Darkfin said, online we're all equal. It seems like you met people that didn't agree with that but if they are so closed minded, do you even want to be on their forum? I wouldn't.
 

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I don't see a problem with you being form Mexico, to me your just another one of the memebers here, if you have anything to add to any conversation just speak your mind.

And if you think people don't like you because of where your from, just change that on your avitar, unless you know me you have no idea where I'm from, and If you want to know I will tell you.
 

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I have no prejudices against Mexicans, and you seem like a perfectly friendly person. Personally, I don't think you'll encounter any of that here.

And, I may be late with this, but welcome to ADISC.
 
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I think Australia has similar problems with immigration and immigrants. People seem to think you are a new arrival if you don't have the white-European look about you, unless they know that person on a more personal level. It's ironic really, considering that we are such a relatively young country and that a vast number of people here are immigrants, or are descended from immigrants - including the white-Australians.

If anything, the problem we have here about it is the overwhelming number of immigrants who come down and refuse to integrate into the way of life we have here. They come here, form their own separate circles, minorities, communities and in no way take part in what our lifestyle is. This really have potential to piss off a lot of people and it's happened before. It's not racist in the sense that we should force these people to give up all their home-country values - because we aren't - but we do expect that whilst they have residence here to live by our rules and take part in our way of life. This ensures that what we have made for ourselves isn't enveloped by some distance culture and in turn, we don't lose our identity as Australians.

Whilst we have tight immigration laws, it doesn't help the country much when we let in people who can barely speak English and refuse to learn it. I know people who have lived here for over 30 years and they can still only have an extremely limited English vocabulary. This can be a real burden to our culture in that it's a purposeful attempt to isolate themselves from the rest of the country. To me, these people really don't care about the country. They just live here, sap up our resources and leave a legacy of families that have grown up in an isolated environment.

But I guess in part we only have ourselves to blame for the loss of cultural identity. Australia is an extremely large country (6th largest in the world), yet our population in only about 21 million. We simply don't have the numbers (nor the ecosystem, mind you) to fill out every mile in our country. Immigration fills in these gaps. But on top of that, the birth-rate of European-descended Australians has dropped off in recent years. Birth numbers have been in a steady decline whilst immigration numbers have been constant or increased. Strange enough, I believe at some point the government was going to launch an advertisement campaign in Europe to promote the country and the prospect of permanent residence here.
 

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But on top of that, the birth-rate of European-descended Australians has dropped off in recent years. Birth numbers have been in a steady decline whilst immigration numbers have been constant or increased. Strange enough, I believe at some point the government was going to launch an advertisement campaign in Europe to promote the country and the prospect of permanent residence here.
I think the problems you decribe, Lukie, are the same everywhere with immigrants. My country has the exact same experience with immigrants - they don't care to learn the local language (German), they remain within their own circles and, while the average German has 1.36 kids, the immigrants often drag a bus load of kids behind them when they go shopping.

The actual problem is that the locals are torn between the benefits of immigration (new cultural influences, larger workforce to pay for future pensions and health insurance) and its disadvantages (loss of one's own culture, jobs being filled with cheaper immigrants rather than locals). It's hypocritical to protest against Mexican immigrants (in the case of the U.S. - we don't have any) but then rush down to a Mexican restaurant for a burrito.

However, putting down an entire country's population or a culture just because some immigrants from there are causing trouble is wrong. I even fail to see why anyone would attack you personally, DiaperCames. You're not an immigrant to begin with (you live in your own country), and are neither part of any perceived problem with immigrants in the U.S. nor the solution thereof.

At least on this forum, we have people from all over the world. PArt of the fun of being here is learning about people from other countries, their habits, opinions and their diapers. :D And the more you learn about the world outside your border, the more you get an idea of what life is like there..and also about what's good and bad in your own country. People who aren't open minded enough or willing to take the time to learn about other countries have no right to critize anyone. It's like criticizing Einstein's Theory of Relativity even though you continuously failed physics classes in school.

What to do when people attack you again? Ignore them! They're idiots and not worth your time. And if it's someone from here who's sending you offensive words, don't hesitate to contact a moderator. We don't want racism here!

Peachy
 

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We went over Mexican immigration into the U.S. a lot in Spanish class this year. It got me thinking, especially when I saw the (inappropriately biased) video about immigration. Seeing as this is going to be on my final exam tomorrow morning I might as well prewrite my essay concerning my opinion about it.

Primarily I'm on the side of the immigrants. The people that come up here for a visit are just looking for a better life just like all the people that have been coming in from Europe and Asia for a couple centuries now. I'm all for a little more Mexican and Spanish influence in our country and I have a considerable respect for your traditions, language, culture, and food, all of which I've had the chance to learn a lot about this year. I don't see why people should look down on people of Mexican descent or origin - you guys are really no different than we are, Mexican immigrants are just looking for a better life by coming to America. Even if you're not an immigrant I don't think that Mexicans are any different from anyone else.

Furthermore, you have the right to call us hypocrites. We spend a lot of time b****ing about an "alien invasion", yet we did the same exact thing to the Native Americans 2 and a quarter centuries ago. I totally hear your rant and I'm very much pro-immigration so long as the proper proceedings are taken.

Now, I did say "primarily." I disagree with illegal immigration for obvious reasons. But to stereotype Mexicans as illegal aliens that come in and steal jobs and commit crimes is like calling all Muslims terrorists - it's just wrong. I sympathize with you on this one, DiaperCames. And for the record, your English is really good, and this is coming from an honors english student. :)

--Danny :ninja:
 

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Well is there like a question to this? I could care less where you are from...Not all immigrants are from Mexico, so people shouldn't really assume you are one
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I try to judge people on an individual basis... you don't seem bad at all. If I have a problem with illegals or anything it is out here in the real world. Online we're all the same.
yes thats true [online were all the same]
 

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What you said.

I have a hard time with illegal immigration, but won't judge a race by it. In fact, I praise those that make it their point to assimilate.

Also, it says your location is Mexico City. Says nothing about you being an immigrant. For all you know, I could live in Pennsylvania, but be an immirant from Linkoping, Sweden.
 

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I can't stand people who judge others. I never judge anyone by there nationality or by what they look like, I only judge by personality, on how a person treats others. Besides who are they to judge you by what you look like, who are they to judge you by what you say and do, who are they to tell you how to live your life. You are who you are and you have one life to live, so live it by following your own path. I believe that everyone is the same and should not be treated any differently.

Lastly, How are everyone in the whole world alike? We all have a heart that can feel pain emotionally (saddness, happyness).
 

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My job has me dealing with the public, some of them are the worst kind on a daily basis. I don't hold one against the other. I think you have to first act like a punk, outcast, or low life before you get treated as one. But it is a little annoying when so many don't speak the language of the country they earn a living in.
 

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I think that if you are a nice person and you treat others in a respectable way than you should be welcome no matter what nationality is. I feel people get to caught up in immigration and nationality. Most people in the US hhave relatives that have immigrated (either legally or ilegally) and just because you may be born here doesnt give you the right to judge people. Everyone is different and thats what makes the worls go round, just enjoy being you and that is the main thing.
 

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hey im mexican too, not to many people know that i was born here but raised in jalisco
i go back and fourth a lot and i love mexico, i wont get into my opinion about immagration too much because ill start a huge debate that dosent need to be started,
but its good to know that there are more mexicans on this site

cool now i can start some spanish threads
lol.....
 
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Stereotypes, what are you gonna do?

Let the ignorant people be ignorant. I don't think anyone is like that around here. Which is why this is one of the best online communities to be around.
 
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