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I am disturbed at how we are perceived by many newbies, and by the outside world, when this perception is at odds with who we really are.
One step we could take is make this: http://www.adisc.org/forum/greetings-introductions/11497-howto-welcome-newbie.html and http://www.adisc.org/forum/announcements-news/697-rules.htmlmandatory reading; auto-pm it?
All a person would have to do is open the message, then mark as read (using an I agree button at the bottom; maybe with checkmark boxes that must be checked to activate "I agree" which is necessary to get registered.
Overbearing and complex? I say no. People could check boxes and click "I agree" with the thing unread; but ANYBODY who reads the thing is bound to have their behaviour improve, if there is room for improvement. Change those stickies from "suggested reading" into "mandatory reading."
Is it too much to ask that people know what we call "good behaviour"? Can we not automate people knowing the things THEY NEED TO KNOW in order to be able to function here? Should we not eliminate the problems with people who just want to dive in and post - and get yelled at and neg-repped to oblivion for not having read http://www.adisc.org/forum/greetings-introductions/11497-howto-welcome-newbie.html and http://www.adisc.org/forum/announcements-news/697-rules.html
The site is big now; automating things is more important since the information in those stickies is not traveling via social contact, not being absorbed and understood through the process of participation.
I once erred on another site, where I called a supposition a "conjecture" and got flamed and negged to oblivion; a site where social policy was assumed to be understood if you were there in the first place. But it was not a support site: This Is.
<No, we should let our rules be absorbed through osmosis, business as usual; anyone who opts not to read FAQ's, stickies, and wickies has only themselves to blame. Natural selection is the best model by which to run a support site. Lazy or stupid people clutter up the place and lower its entertainment value, and the quality of the membership. They wreck the "vibe" with their immaturity, their boring moaning about life issues and their illiteracy. And unfunny suggestions and debates and "TL: DR posts>
A big part of a support site is indeed being a social space to gather and have fun: the fun is at least as therapeutic and helpful to the soul as advice on ickinesses: being suicidal, not knowing which tapes stick best, how to ask for Molicares in Finland.
Do we want to be a support site that entertains as part of the support, or an entertainment site, that offers support as a sideline?
Oh, I apologise deeply to the experienced members who will resent having to take time from their busy schedule to check 2 dozen boxes and click "I agree." This is a heavy burden I know, and I would spend my time better participating and having fun, than long-winded suggestions and explanations when the site works just fine for all, and can never reexperience the recent drama as long as everybody takes their "chill pills" and shuts the f*** up about improvements and site issues. Heard it before. It is an imposition to force anything on anyone; "ignorance of the law is no excuse" while "knowledge of the law" is voluntary, and only required for some (ie newbies): not those outside the law (you know who you are: you proclaim it.) We have no right to insist people be nice to newbies, or know a good meme from a bad one; if they can not be bothered to figure this stuff out for themselves that is their own lookout.
One step we could take is make this: http://www.adisc.org/forum/greetings-introductions/11497-howto-welcome-newbie.html and http://www.adisc.org/forum/announcements-news/697-rules.htmlmandatory reading; auto-pm it?
All a person would have to do is open the message, then mark as read (using an I agree button at the bottom; maybe with checkmark boxes that must be checked to activate "I agree" which is necessary to get registered.
Overbearing and complex? I say no. People could check boxes and click "I agree" with the thing unread; but ANYBODY who reads the thing is bound to have their behaviour improve, if there is room for improvement. Change those stickies from "suggested reading" into "mandatory reading."
Is it too much to ask that people know what we call "good behaviour"? Can we not automate people knowing the things THEY NEED TO KNOW in order to be able to function here? Should we not eliminate the problems with people who just want to dive in and post - and get yelled at and neg-repped to oblivion for not having read http://www.adisc.org/forum/greetings-introductions/11497-howto-welcome-newbie.html and http://www.adisc.org/forum/announcements-news/697-rules.html
The site is big now; automating things is more important since the information in those stickies is not traveling via social contact, not being absorbed and understood through the process of participation.
I once erred on another site, where I called a supposition a "conjecture" and got flamed and negged to oblivion; a site where social policy was assumed to be understood if you were there in the first place. But it was not a support site: This Is.
<No, we should let our rules be absorbed through osmosis, business as usual; anyone who opts not to read FAQ's, stickies, and wickies has only themselves to blame. Natural selection is the best model by which to run a support site. Lazy or stupid people clutter up the place and lower its entertainment value, and the quality of the membership. They wreck the "vibe" with their immaturity, their boring moaning about life issues and their illiteracy. And unfunny suggestions and debates and "TL: DR posts>
A big part of a support site is indeed being a social space to gather and have fun: the fun is at least as therapeutic and helpful to the soul as advice on ickinesses: being suicidal, not knowing which tapes stick best, how to ask for Molicares in Finland.
Do we want to be a support site that entertains as part of the support, or an entertainment site, that offers support as a sideline?
Oh, I apologise deeply to the experienced members who will resent having to take time from their busy schedule to check 2 dozen boxes and click "I agree." This is a heavy burden I know, and I would spend my time better participating and having fun, than long-winded suggestions and explanations when the site works just fine for all, and can never reexperience the recent drama as long as everybody takes their "chill pills" and shuts the f*** up about improvements and site issues. Heard it before. It is an imposition to force anything on anyone; "ignorance of the law is no excuse" while "knowledge of the law" is voluntary, and only required for some (ie newbies): not those outside the law (you know who you are: you proclaim it.) We have no right to insist people be nice to newbies, or know a good meme from a bad one; if they can not be bothered to figure this stuff out for themselves that is their own lookout.
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