Traffic stop and dead pet

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closet dl

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So I watched the interview with the guy in Texas that was stopped on his way to the animal hospital. His dog was choking and he had to drive 8-10 miles to get to the nearest pet emergency room.

He was stopped because he was doing over 100 mph and weaving in and out of traffic. He states that it took the cop 20 minutes to write the ticket and that "extensive" amount of time caused his dog to die due to a lack of treatment.

My feelings - yes, the officer's comment of "it's just a dog, you can get another one" was callous. But after viewing the video, I have to side with the police on this one. The guy that was stopped got out of the car acting extremely agitated. The cop repeatedly asked him to calm down. The guy was driving a car over 100 mph and talking on his cell phone to the animal hospital, placing himself, his girlfriend and other drivers on the road at risk. As far as the amount of time it took to write the ticket, maybe the cop was trying to get the guy to calm down during that time so that when he got back on the road, he would do so more cautiously.

I am sorry he lost his pet, but the risk he put himself and others in for driving in that manner and with the level of agitation demonstrated far outweighed the level of emergency he faced. Your thoughts?
 

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The police where right to do what they did. It is a simple thing. If he is stopped the dog dies. If he is allowed to go on he could crash. Dog still dies (even if the crash doesn't do it, he still fails to get to the vets in time), as could a large number of people. You don't even have to use the arguement that human beings > animals here, because the dog dies if he crashes or if he is stopped. So the police were fully correct.

The only thing they could have perhaps done is take the dog to the vets themselves, but I expect that goes against policy and if another crime occured, they might not get there in time. Of course they could have been more tactful, but he seriously endangered a large number of people. They had to stop him.
 

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That's horseshit. If you are transporting someone who is experiencing an emergency you are not required to stop. Simply turn on your 4-way flashers and continue on your way to the hospital. The cop will probably understand when he/she sees you pull into an emergency clinic.

You can also call 911 on your cell phone and inform the operator that you are in an emergency situation and have a police officer behind you. The 911 operator can inform the cop of your situation and more than likely the officer will then safely escort you to your destination.
 

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Going a 100 miles an hour, is likely to kill more people and the animal, it's like being stuck in a traffic jam and to make up time, you are going to go a 100 for a few miles, your chances of makeing up the time are slim to none.

I can see where the guy tought he would do the animal good, but killing more people to do it just isn't the way.
 

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Ummm...even in an emergency situation you have to obey the traffic laws (the only time the police are "allowed" to speed is when they're in a high-speed chase)...even ambulances and firetrucks are required by law to obey traffic signals (although they do have the option to go through if traffic stops (and it is illegal NOT to stop for them anyway)) and posted speed limits!

Travelling 100 miles per hour seems a bit excessive to go 8 miles. The claim is it took the officer 20 mins to write the ticket and the dog died. Well if the guy were driving a reasonable speed...60mph would have got him there in 8 mins...30mph (usual posted speed limit within towns) would have got him there in 15. He was already on his way sooooooooo...add the time he was driving and weaving in and out of traffic to alert the officer to the time the officer took in writing up the ticket. 15 mins at 30mph 'n the dog would have been saved!
 
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By Ayanna's logic you cant speed when your wife is in labor.

Depends on the posted speed limit if you should or should not.
 

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Well he should have been prepared to be stopped by police when he was speeding...But he could have still have been speeding, just not as much...I understand that is was an emergency, but it's still not an excuse...When exactly did the dog die during this ordeal? If it was near the start of the pulling over, then the dog wouldn't have survived either way...Who knows if he would've been stopped with traffic or something later on...I think it's a lot of hooplah over something small like this...The cop's comment could have been avoided though
 

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We are all animals. We are all trying to survive ourselves without trying to put an "animal's" needs before ours. What the speeder did is in violation of all that is decent. He should be imprisoned for doing as he did. Even highly skilled drivers such as policemen should not be risking their lives for someone's pet, and I am glad that did not occur.
 

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Ummm...even in an emergency situation you have to obey the traffic laws (the only time the police are "allowed" to speed is when they're in a high-speed chase)...even ambulances and firetrucks are required by law to obey traffic signals (although they do have the option to go through if traffic stops (and it is illegal NOT to stop for them anyway)) and posted speed limits!
All they have to have is the sirens on for you to stop or them to speed And run traffic Signs.
 

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So if I kill someone in front of their mother, "Oh calm down, you can just go adopt another one" is an OK response? The guy should have told the officer the problem, and slowed it down a little bit, and AFTER the dog got to the hospital, THEN the officer should have given the ticket.

Being a dog owner, I have to side with the owner.

I'm sure the officer was like, "Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....You...know...how...fast...you...were...going...?
 

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Ummm...even in an emergency situation you have to obey the traffic laws (the only time the police are "allowed" to speed is when they're in a high-speed chase)...even ambulances and firetrucks are required by law to obey traffic signals (although they do have the option to go through if traffic stops (and it is illegal NOT to stop for them anyway)) and posted speed limits!
When it's the life of someone you love on the line... you might think otherwise.

And who said that doing 100 was guaranteed to get someone killed? It all depends on driver awareness and skill. I drive quite rapidly on a regular basis... hasn't caused any problems. Typically it's when I am stuck in the middle of traffic going slowly that the problems occur.
 
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I'd have to side with the owner on this one. Yes, he was driving 100 mph which is very dangerous but I still think it was a dire situation. Losing a dog is no fun...
 

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I can understand why the guy was speeding and I can understand why the cops pulled him over. But still the law is a law. Also that whole comment about killing someones mom and saying you can adopt another one is null and void. You can't adopt adult humans. You can however adopt another dog of course it wouldn't be the same but all living things do die.
 

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Well the cop was insensitive to the owners plight. That being said i have to side with the cop(the law also does). Loosing a dog is not fun. But the driver was putting his own life and that of his dog and girlfriend(i think some one correct me on the relation of the girl) by driving like he was.

Had he calmed down and explained to the officer what was going on the officer probably could have wrote the ticket and been on his way in a much more timely manner.
 

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to some animal lovers and to those that have animals in place of kids, their pets are their children. so to this peron that dog that was choking, no matter how pathetic it may sound to the average person, was like having their child gasping for air in front of their eyes.
i don't know about you people, but i would damn near kill for my children's well being.
 

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Travelling 100 miles per hour seems a bit excessive to go 8 miles. The claim is it took the officer 20 mins to write the ticket and the dog died. Well if the guy were driving a reasonable speed...60mph would have got him there in 8 mins...30mph (usual posted speed limit within towns) would have got him there in 15. He was already on his way sooooooooo...add the time he was driving and weaving in and out of traffic to alert the officer to the time the officer took in writing up the ticket. 15 mins at 30mph 'n the dog would have been saved!

I have to agree with this logic. Even if a pet is dying, its also probably no fun for a person who might be hit head on at those speeds, and it is a heck of a lot harder to replace a human than a dog. I don't think that reckless endangerment is acceptable for anything less than a human life. The guy may have been distressed by his dog, but I have to say the law is correct here.
 

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I agree with Ayanna as well... 100 MPH is too extreme, regardless of whether a human or animal is concerned. There is a reason emergency vehicles don't travel at this speed. The risks of driving a vehicle that fast outweigh the reduction in response/transport time.

I do however feel that it's pretty crappy that the LEO didn't think to immediately load the dog in the cruiser and continue on. The vehicle driver isn't going to disappear, and could be cited/arrested after the dog received proper care. It would've been a (much needed) positive story of "over and above" public service regarding law enforcement... "Cop saves dog" :dunno:
 

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By Ayanna's logic you cant speed when your wife is in labor.

Depends on the posted speed limit if you should or should not.
It's not logic, it's the law. And the speed limits are posted for a reason.

All they have to have is the sirens on for you to stop or them to speed And run traffic Signs.
Actually...the sirens and lights are to warn other drivers that they are coming and to pull over to the side so they can get through...they (ambulances/firetrucks) are STILL not allowed (by law) to speed. They also cannot just 'run a traffic signal' they must slow and even stop if there is other traffic. Although if they have their lights and sirens on the other traffic would be in the wrong if they go through the intersection even if it's green!

*thinks it's no wonder so many people in ADISC failed their driver's license (written) test the first time (or more)*
 

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Wow, good to see I started a nice debate here.

Just to throw this out as well - when I drove an ambulance in Texas, I was not allowed to exceed the speed limit by more than 10 miles an hour with lights and sirens going (by law) and had to ensure intersections were clear before running a red light.

The justification for running with lights and sirens was that the patient was critical (chance of loss of life or limb).
 
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