Thousands of people want to move Halloween

BabyTyrant

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I get some of their points, particularly about how if it were always on Saturday then you wouldn't have to worry about anybody (parents or children) having to get up at a certain time for work or school, and I find it baffling that apparently 70% of parents just let their kids go without out trick or treating without supervision.

I mean if you could trust everyone that would be one thing, but you cant, any random stranger could be a Kiddy Diddler (Pedophile) and pray on unsuspecting kids, even famous people with loads of money could be dangerous to kids, just think of the number of celebrities that have ended up being Pedophiles (including the last Manowar Guitarist, which has been with them for over 20 years).

But then you have to think, how weird would trick or treating during the day be? How would you know which houses are participating in it (usually since it is at night houses with lights on are expected to be handing out candy)? Plus Halloween has always been on the same date (regardless of what day that ends up on) for who knows how long? How can you just fight against long standing tradition that way?

It seems it would only effect The United States anyways if it does go through, and they have 7200 out of 7500 signatures they want and they are urging Trump to change the date, so what are your thoughts?

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/petition-to-move-halloween-to-last-saturday-of-october-garners-thousands-of-signatures.amp
 

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First of all Halloween is not a federal holiday. Even if it was, changing the celebration date requires an act of Congress.

I know that there are evil and scary people in the world, but as long as the child is either escorted or in a group, they should be safe.

Congress did consider Halloween when the changed the duration of day light saving time and pushed the change back to after October 31 so that there would still be the extra hours of daylight at a later time on the clock during "trick or treat" time.
 

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Where I live, if Halloween falls on a Friday or Saturday they have trick-or-treating on a weeknight, so...
 

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It's a big country. I'm sure we could find thousands who would say the moon is green cheese. In any event, as noted, it's not a federal holiday. They can try but I don't think it's going to gather much steam.
 

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And in 2011 some Republicans with popular support tried to legislate that Pi was equal to 3. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's a good idea.

This seems like a sad symptom of people caring more about the commercialisation of the day (which is much bigger in the US than anywhere outside it) than it's origins or meaning. A brief explainer: Halloween is a shortened name for "All Hallows' Eve", that being the evening before "All Hallows' Day" (also known as "All Saints' Day") which is the 1st November. The day is a specific time to remember the dead and has gained several traditions over hundreds of years - it's ancient.

In the UK, we also celebrate the 5th November in memory of when a plot to blow up parliament was foiled. Traditionally, people hold bonfires and have firework displays. Now, some people will insist on celebrating on the actual day, but many large organised events are just moved to a nearby weekend instead to make it more convenient.
You can't just move Halloween. People who want to celebrate it on the right day always will, and it becomes even further detached from its history. Have your party on a more convenient date if you want, nobody is stopping you. I was at a Halloween fancy dress themed run this morning because it's a Saturday - nobody cared the date wasn't right.
 

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Wouldn't bother me, if it can work at a more convenient time like last Saturday or Sunday of October to keep it from impacting schools and working families whats the real problem?
 

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Wouldn't bother me, if it can work at a more convenient time like last Saturday or Sunday of October to keep it from impacting schools and working families whats the real problem?
The only problem i see is trying to go against a date that was set for a tradition that is hundreds/thousands of years old
 

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In the U. S., municipalities (towns and such) decide which day Halloween falls on. I know Lynchburg has changed the day on several occasions.

When I was a kid, my parents moved to a very remote community of maybe 30 houses. I think it was the first time I was allowed to go trick or treating with a friend and without parents. There were no busy streets and very few cars. Everyone knew everyone in the community so it was quite safe. Needless to say, we had the best time. There's something about being 8 or 9 years old, dressed in a costume, carrying your trick or treat bag in one hand and a flashlight in the other, that can't ever be replicated again in your entire life. Ah.....good times. And yeah, we'd get scared, mostly from scaring each other with ghostly tales.
 

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In the U. S., municipalities (towns and such) decide which day Halloween falls on. I know Lynchburg has changed the day on several occasions.

When I was a kid, my parents moved to a very remote community of maybe 30 houses. I think it was the first time I was allowed to go trick or treating with a friend and without parents. There were no busy streets and very few cars. Everyone knew everyone in the community so it was quite safe. Needless to say, we had the best time. There's something about being 8 or 9 years old, dressed in a costume, carrying your trick or treat bag in one hand and a flashlight in the other, that can't ever be replicated again in your entire life. Ah.....good times. And yeah, we'd get scared, mostly from scaring each other with ghostly tales.
Yeah, I don't get the need to officially change the date since people can always do a Halloween event in their communities at which date they choose, I've already seen a bunch of places doing a "trunk or treat" on earlier dates.
 

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The name "Halloween" means "All-Hallows Eve." "All-Hallows Day" is the Roman Catholic/Christian celebration of "All-Saints Day"--November 1. Our modern celebration of Halloween has long left the original intent of "All-Hallows Eve," but I guess that's the way the world goes...

By the very definition of the word, Halloween is October 31, but the traditions surrounding it can be changed with relative ease, I think. In one small town where I lived a good many years ago, Trick-or-Treating was restricted to one night, called Beggars' Night. If memory serves me correctly, Beggars' Night was October 30, and Trick-or-Treating was not allowed on Halloween itself. I don't know the reasons for that town's custom/local ordinance, but it was well-established when I moved there and was accepted as reality in that town.

Let's just keep things safe on Halloween, whatever the customs.
 

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What's next moving Christmas so it always falls on a Saturday or Sunday FFs
 

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Yeah, I don't get the need to officially change the date since people can always do a Halloween event in their communities at which date they choose, I've already seen a bunch of places doing a "trunk or treat" on earlier dates.
We had Trunk or Treat at our church yesterday (Saturday night) and over 200 kids and parents showed up. They had planned for 50 so I'm guessing they made a desperate run to the local Walmart for more hot-dogs and buns. They had a great time.
 

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Everywhere I have lived has never had 'Beggars' Night' on the actual 31st. Sometimes it's going to be too cold/rainy/windy, so they'll move it earlier in the month. Heck, I think last year they ended up having it postponed until the first week of November. The kids could really care less if it's on the 'real' Halloween. LOL They just want some fun and candy. :3

I was never allowed to go trick-or-treating alone. I was always either with my mom or my teenaged brothers. (They used to use me to try and pick up girls. Pfft. Like "LOOK HOW AWESOME I AM TAKING MY KID SISTER OUT.")

And always with some sort of flashlight so we could see if it started to get dark. My brothers were only ever really trusted to walk me around our local neighborhood block where everyone knew everybody else. I doubt that kind of rapport exists very much anymore. (And yeah, we had two houses of 'weirdos' that we weren't allowed to go around. The one guy was always trying to peek into windows and the other one just gave off the creepiest auras.)

So our instructions were "Stay in the neighborhood, if you need anything have one of your friends parents call us (before cellphones) and stay away from the weirdos."

So really, there isn't a true need to move the actual holiday because most municipalities already schedule their trick-or-treat nights on a more convenient date anyway. :p

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Also, you wouldn't believe how long I mis-trusted 'trunk or treat'...I thought you'd get locked up in an old-timey traveling trunk if you were bad. LOL Now I know it's just that you decorate your car and pass out treats in well-lit and secure areas.
 

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Yeah, the idea of Trunk or Treat is basically to have a smaller event where you know everyone at the event (such as if it is just your church members).

But yeah, mostly kids just care about the candy.
 

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In Germany, All-Saint's Day (the first of November) is a national holiday, so no one has to get up early after a night of Halloween antics.

I used to go out for Trick or Treating either with my friends or with my brothers, but we live in a very safe neighbourhood. Of course, when we were very small, one of our parents would go with us, but later it was never a big deal. Though Halloween in and of itself isn't as huge over here as it is in the USA it seems...of course kids like it, and older students use it as an excuse to get wasted, but mostly it's kinda meh. Especially this year, there are barely any Halloween-themed items in stores. It's like they skipped Halloween and went straight to Christmas.
 

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There's something about being 8 or 9 years old, dressed in a costume, carrying your trick or treat bag in one hand and a flashlight in the other, that can't ever be replicated again in your entire life. Ah.....good times. And yeah, we'd get scared, mostly from scaring each other with ghostly tales.
Likewise, but the new "trunk or treat" style has gotten so rampant, and it removes all of the fun of it. Now most I see are held indoors, not even car trunks in parking lot anymore. Despite the US getting safer and safer (as shown in multiple trends of reduction of violent crimes), we as a society keep getting more and more worried. I think the difference is that we have far more visibility and are much more connected than we've ever been, and the news has always gone with "if it bleeds, it leads".
 

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Yeah, it's unfortunate. Growing up in a tiny community was great for a kid like myself. It was along Barnegat Bay, and we would play in the water all throughout the summer. I actually wrote about that community in my short story, "Werewolf" which is on this site in our story section. It also was the setting for my novel. If you want to read a good Halloween story, read "Werewolf".
 
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