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That sounds like some kind of anti-Trump joke, but you seem to be a Trump supporter. Strange. Trump couldn't even lead his own campaign but yet he is somehow qualified to lead the country? Not a convincing argument.

Do you really believe the Mueller report is about Clinton's campaign? Isn't it about time Trump's base accepts the fact that Clinton didn't win? She isn't president.
I'm not a die-hard Trump supporter but I absolutely voted for him to keep Hillary out of office. And that second bit doesn't make much sense. This entire report is fueled by vitriol from the left, and you can bet your ass that most of the left is STILL bitter about it. So no reason to turn it on me. Yes, he won. Somehow I'm in denial about something? I got what I wanted.

As did the rest of the nation. No one wants to believe Trump could win, but that is how tired the American people were of having a progressive under-the-table socialist as a president.
 

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I find it ridiculous that it even matters who won

Guilty = Guilty; Trump isn't any worse than Hillary "because he won"

A crime is still a crime and I think they wouldn't be dropping the investigation if Trump were really guilty.

Most of us in touch with reality know Hillary is still guilty, but because she lost its suddenly not about what she did but "oh let's investigate Trump and waste 60 million dollars and 2 years of time"
 

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I'm not a die-hard Trump supporter but I absolutely voted for him to keep Hillary out of office. And that second bit doesn't make much sense. This entire report is fueled by vitriol from the left, and you can bet your ass that most of the left is STILL bitter about it. So no reason to turn it on me. Yes, he won. Somehow I'm in denial about something? I got what I wanted.

As did the rest of the nation. No one wants to believe Trump could win, but that is how tired the American people were of having a progressive under-the-table socialist as a president.
I don't believe the Mueller report had any content from Democrats. If I remember correctly, Mueller is a Republican.
 

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I don't believe the Mueller report had any content from Democrats. If I remember correctly, Mueller is a Republican.
Yes...perhaps this report will shine light on something else. As I said there was little if anything about Trump's role in whatever collusion took place. But you are turning a blind eye if you think the report didn't at all come from bitterness of the left's loss. I honestly find it remarkable that anything was found at all, but I am not quick to call conspiracy; it seems like an honest report but it could very well amount to nothing. Its inspirations were emotional.
 
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Quite a bit of Russian collusion was found and documented in the report.
There was a lot of evidence of collusion and obstruction. Whether it is enough for prosecution is not for you or me to decide.
He explained the legal reason for this very well in his report. Your political opinion may differ, but really doesn't count for anything.
Another purely political assumption about motive. I question your ability to read Barr's mind, especially given Barr's previous statements about the investigation in general.
Collusion has been established. No back peddling or face saving necessary on that point.
Mind reading again. And more than just issues with current investigations have been redacted.
You know Mueller is mad? And you know the reason? More mind reading.
Most of us don't have the power to stop an investigator from investigating evidence of our criminal conduct. It would be obstruction if we even attempted that. Firing people on fantasy TV is different from having the power and making an attempt to fire legal a investigator without cause.
Your exoneration of Trump is based on political opinion, not fact.
True, we all know Trump is unfit for office. Evidence of criminal activity and intent was found and documented, so that's not the problem. The problem is that Trump does not have to face trial like everyone else does when confronted with such evidence.

Let's end the BS first.
This is correct, Bebezinho's summery is flat out false. The only thing I have to question is the collusion. It does seem trump had no direct impact on that, but how does this suddenly free his full administration from wrong doing? How much did trump know about it/ How much indirect influence he had on this stuff? Why was he obstructing for? Why won't he release his taxes? What is the full extent of his international dealings to benefit his businesses? I know Bebezinho's summery is fault out wrong because you can't say there was no obstruction because there is no collusion, that is not what the report says at all, that is what Barr and the GoP try to spin it into.

How come everyone I seen so far, not limited to this thread, that supports trump in any degree (be it small or fully) does so without knowing and sharing real facts? If trump is so innocent why is he going to extra lengths to have the report not made public while contempt to barr was passed? A criminal is a criminal, has nothing to do with losing an election. Trump is not innocent because evil dems want revenge.
 
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This is correct, Bebezinho's summery is flat out false. The only thing I have to question is the collusion. It does seem trump had no direct impact on that, but how does this suddenly free his full administration from wrong doing? How much did trump know about it/ How much indirect influence he had on this stuff? Why was he obstructing for? Why won't he release his taxes? What is the full extent of his international dealings to benefit his businesses? I know Bebezinho's summery is fault out wrong because you can't say there was no obstruction because there is no collusion, that is not what the report says at all, that is what Barr and the GoP try to spin it into.

How come everyone I seen so far, not limited to this thread, that supports trump in any degree (be it small or fully) does so without knowing and sharing real facts? If trump is so innocent why is he going to extra lengths to have the report not made public while contempt to barr was passed? A criminal is a criminal, has nothing to do with losing an election. Trump is not innocent because evil dems want revenge.
Some of the facts in the report also contain information about on-going investigations, so I am assuming that is why a lot of it is redacted. Of course, we may never know if that is really the case or not.
 

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Some of the facts in the report also contain information about on-going investigations, so I am assuming that is why a lot of it is redacted. Of course, we may never know if that is really the case or not.
ofc and i fully accept that reasoning. what i dislike is barr, a heavy trump bias person cant even tell the public on the basic intentions about congress role that should take place in prosecuting him.
 

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The point you are overlooking is that he is incredibly more dangerous because he won.
Well he hasn't started World War 3 yet.

I think any of these "threatening" foreign Governments need to Cut The Crap

Such as Russia being all mad at The US because they keep socializing with Syrian Terrorists and North Korea with all their "Nuclear Missle" testing and their apparent threats on US Territories.

By now hopefully they realize, "Trump Dont Play" he will launch real Missles and defend this country against their threats.

I dont see how that is so bad so far

Would you rather Hillary have won so she could sell the country to the Terrorists?
 

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Well he hasn't started World War 3 yet.
Not yet, but just wait...

He is extremely divisive. Even the people in his own country have difficulties to maintain peace and not start fighting each other over everything Trump does.
 
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Well he hasn't started World War 3 yet.

I think any of these "threatening" foreign Governments need to Cut The Crap

Such as Russia being all mad at The US because they keep socializing with Syrian Terrorists and North Korea with all their "Nuclear Missle" testing and their apparent threats on US Territories.

By now hopefully they realize, "Trump Dont Play" he will launch real Missles and defend this country against their threats.

I dont see how that is so bad so far

Would you rather Hillary have won so she could sell the country to the Terrorists?
So trump terrorizing this country is better because not Hillery? Nice logic.
Yes I would rather have Hilary because anything would be better then this criminal we got trying to pretend to act as a president. Also I love the logic of trump did not start WWIII yet = good president, i do not think so
 

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So trump terrorizing this country is better because not Hillery? Nice logic.
Yes I would rather have Hilary because anything would be better then this criminal we got trying to pretend to act as a president. Also I love the logic of trump did not start WWIII yet = good president, i do not think so
I dont see how him being a bad guy (I dont think many people think Trump isnt a bad guy) means he is "terrorizing" this country.

I think if he had some kinda clue how to bring his ideas to life it wouldn't be as bad as it is

For example his "wall" has nothing to do with Legal Immigration - therefore it's not like he is "anti-immigration" like some people claim

His tax on foreign good (such as those coming from China) isnt a bad idea either; you just cant expect such a policy to work so easily.
(Maybe if it was finessed to have compromises, like if factories in China meet specific conditions they get a break on the fees put on their products, which in turn helps the people that would end up buying them anyways)

I think most of the people in the Government hate him because he isnt a politician and he claimed he would end corruption

As for the American Public; how can you expect anybody would like Trump with the consant media Sh*t Show every single day

And it doesn't matter if news reports are true; they will do anything to get views because Ad Revenue is worthless if nobody is watching your Network

There would be more people in the middle; willing to accept compromises is everything weren't sold as some form of extremism (issues are always Pro Gun vs Anti Gun; Pro Choice vs Pro Life, etc - like a middle ground doesn't exist)
 
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Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or fear to achieve a religious or political aim.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence during peacetime or in war against non-combatants (mostly civilians and neutral military personnel).[2] The terms "terrorist" and "terrorism" originated during the French Revolution of the late 18th century[3] but gained mainstream popularity in the 1970s in news reports and books covering the conflicts in Northern Ireland, the Basque Country and Palestine.
trump is diving this country with his lies, having the uninformed believe his nonsense so much so people are attacking reporters and the like. Also the political divide causes fights to break out. Furthermore he is trying to cause terror and panic over the Mexican border by exaggerating the problems. I mean what I say, trump is a literal terrorist. Let us not forget other fear mongering like how windmill noise causes cancer.

Trump's actions fits the definition to a T, explain how I am wrong.
 
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I dont think Trump is trying to cause problems; I think he has too many grand ideas with no clue on how to do anything he wants to do.

If Mexicans want to get out of their country and come over here; fine

They just need to follow the process; learn our language, pass a citizenship test, and become a legal citizen like everyone elses ancestors have done for the better part of the last 100 years

Same with immigrants from any other country; just that admittedly with ones from the Middle East how do you determine who is a genuine Refugee and who is a Terrorist in Disguise?

And how can you blame political divide on Trump?

He didnt start political Extremism, we always had that

It's always been one side vs the other with a 3rd option almost nobody chooses; hence why nobody besides a Democrat or Republican or whatever they called the main parties has ever won and became president

We simply dont have enough people willing to say screw both sides and vote for an independent party candidate.
 

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He didnt start political Extremism, we always had that
YES HE DID!!~!
"fake news" "fake news"
*person goes to attack reporters*
because of this
Trump made it exceptionally worse because he does not know how to admit fault when he screws up so his uninformed blind following eats his words up as gospel and instigates violence on others. trump IS A TERRORIST, by definition. Your post does little to counter my point, so it stands.

Also he made some comment about how to handle criminals being locked up, this is another case of promoting violence. As far as my understanding that could fall under an impeachable offense, just because he said that. Ofc no one will follow up on it because of the party vs party mentality now. (plus i guess it could be argued he was not fully serious or something but whatever) Point is, he is not helping the situation at all, just making it worse.
 
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...trump IS A TERRORIST, by definition.
I don’t think he is a terrorist. That is too much honour because it would imply that he has a plan.

Trump is a narcissist. He meets all criteria of a narcissistic personality (1). The only reason why he may not have a personality DISORDER is because he does not seem to suffer from it. (2)

Or, as the chair of the task force that wrote the ‘Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders’ put it:

"It's insulting — insulting to the people who have mental illness, who do suffer a great deal of distress and impairment — to be lumped with someone like Donald Trump" (2)

Narcissism can be a very serious mental disorder (3,4). Except for his behaviour in public appearances, it may also explain the dynamics of hiring and firing of personnel in the White House (4).

I don’t know what’s worse: a narcissist- or a terrorist-in-chief.



(1) https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/courses/materials/Narc.Pers.DSM.pdf

(2) https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.3984065/stop-saying-trump-has-narcissistic-personality-disorder-says-psychiatrist-who-defined-it-1.3984073

(3) https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662

(4) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_abuse
 

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Lol, "fake news" doesn't sound like a command to attack reporters.

And I have seen reports from Hillary supporters "oh I'm gonna be afraid for my life if Trump wins"

Next thing you know Trump wins and Hillary supporters are attacking Trump supporters

It is a far stretch to blame a political divide and political tension on Trump, we had those issue before Trump and we will have them after Trump

It's the "Sheeple" that are making things worse

When people act as if the "MAGA Hat" is as bad as the Nazi version of the Swastika (the Swastika was around for 100s if not 1000s of years before the Nazis) and respond as such they are making things worse

And there have been probably dozens of reports of people giving anyone trouble over wear that Hat

ranging from being treated like crap, Assaulted, being called "Hitler youth" and so on

So I reiterate, the tension is not Trumps fault, he didn't plan any of this

It's the stupid public that is making things worse

When you respond to extremism with more extremism nobody wins
 

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I don’t think he is a terrorist. That is too much honour because it would imply that he has a plan.

Trump is a narcissist. He meets all criteria of a narcissistic personality (1). The only reason why he may not have a personality DISORDER is because he does not seem to suffer from it. (2)

Or, as the chair of the task force that wrote the ‘Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders’ put it:

"It's insulting — insulting to the people who have mental illness, who do suffer a great deal of distress and impairment — to be lumped with someone like Donald Trump" (2)

Narcissism can be a very serious mental disorder (3,4). Except for his behaviour in public appearances, it may also explain the dynamics of hiring and firing of personnel in the White House (4).

I don’t know what’s worse: a narcissist- or a terrorist-in-chief.



(1) https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/courses/materials/Narc.Pers.DSM.pdf

(2) https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.3984065/stop-saying-trump-has-narcissistic-personality-disorder-says-psychiatrist-who-defined-it-1.3984073

(3) https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662

(4) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_abuse
hmmm
what if we dabble on the idea of the people that had influence to get him elected (i/e people funding his campaigns) actually do have such plans? We have evidence on video that he is unable to read now.
I mean with what he speaks on "advance" subject matters, he really shows he has no clue what is going on, so this begs the question to me, how easily is this person actually susceptible to being manipulated, and what is the real goals of the people pulling his strings sort of speak

I doono I still think he is a terrorist in a way he is trying to embed terror (fear) of people to manipulate them, like the cheering of 9-11 comments, Mexico speech, Muslim ban, etc. It is clear he had some kind of plan, getting his stuff passed, by acting in this manner.

BabyTyrant, you are too biased to have any meaningful conversation, just no. You did not reply to what I had to say properly, so try again or I am done with trying to speak to you on this manner. Trump has increased the divide to an insane degree, there is no way you can be possibly saying otherwise. You are part of the group making things worse, as you describe for those reasons, since you cannot see the problems being made by trump.
 
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I am sure he is very susceptible to being manipulated and I am convinced that many people around him know how to play or guide him.
Bob Woodward’s book ‘Fear’ is very illustrative of this, and hilarious at times, if it weren’t such a serious matter.

I had never seen his struggle to read btw, thanks for sharing. It explains his incomprehensible speeches. He probably can’t read the autocue.

Edit: thinking a little longer about this: he knows how to tweet. Lots of typos and a lot of time between consecutive tweets, sometimes more than half an hour. But he manages to write them down.
 
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I doono I still think he is a terrorist in a way he is trying to embed terror (fear) of people to manipulate them, like the cheering of 9-11 comments, Mexico speech, Muslim ban, etc. It is clear he had some kind of plan, getting his stuff passed, by acting in this manner.
So we have a narcissistic terrorist in the White House! OMG we are doomed 😱😂
 
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