Sex Comic for 6 year olds, anyone?

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*Pulls out Cestus, lion shaped iron boxing gloves the size of a t.v.* When i find out who approved that comic.
 
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Parents aren't doing their job and keeping their children reined in. This is the case on both sides of the pond; locally, I understand that 1/4 of all girls here between 10-14 have gonorrhea. Hopefully parents (again, both sides of the pond) will reclaim their homes and rights through constructive, instructive discipline. If you have a child under 18, you should absolutely know where they are and what they're doing.

Unfortunately, the Nanny State walks into private citizens' homes once their parenting breakdown becomes a larger social issue (STDs and rampant, on-the-dole pregnancy). Frankly, I think it a good use of taxpayer money to provide and enforce a dis-incentive to runaway use and abuse of public welfare. If someone gets pregnant at 14 and has a kid at 15 and then go on public welfare, that is something that could have been avoided.

Hence, the Nanny State is quite right to put out sexual education. But not for six-year olds, that's in poor taste - unless I'm totally clued-out and six-year olds are having sex.
 

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I think it's a great idea.
 
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The article isn't doing a good job explaining what the comic is. The bulk of article is dedicated to myths concerning sex and how parents can talk to their teenagers. But notice this quote from the top of the article:

"Let's Grow with Nisha and Joe contains cartoon-style pictures of a naked boy and girl to teach children about different parts of the body. "

The comic is teaching kids about their bodies in the same way that a book will teach a twelve year old about puberty. I see nothing wrong with that. If you recall from the previous election, there were allegations that Obama voted to teach six year olds sex education. Like this comic book, Obama voted to allocated funds to a program to teach six year olds about their bodies and how to be safe, ie how to not be kidnapped and molested. Again, nothing wrong with this. These types of education are age-appropriate, and we are obligated to give unbiased information when children need it. This comic isn't a how-to manual. It's a biology text book for kindergartners.
 

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... locally, I understand that 1/4 of all girls here between 10-14 have gonorrhea....
GTFO! you cannot be serious.

Tell me this is a Friday the 13 prank, please.

Harris,

At what age do you draw the line on things like this? If i was a parent, I would view this state sanctioned comic as an invasion of my family, and my right to choose when and how to begin educating my kids on the biology of the opposite sex and the safety, or not, of being approached by others, etc.... Let kids be kids for the increasingly fewer years that they get the chance to, unencumbered by the invasive ministrations of a nanny state.
 
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"The pamphlet, created by sexual health charity the FPA, could be shown to all school kids unless parents opt out."

The line is wherever the parent says it is. Children grow at different rates, but at a certain point, say, arbitratily, age ten, withholding information is harmful. And personally, I've never understood why some regard the teaching of anatomy, which for a six year old extends no further than the proper names of things, to be dangerous. On the other hand, I think societies have a tendency, quite unintentional, to impart the idea that the words for those parts are "naughty" or shameful. A penis is a penis, a vagina is a vagina. So what? The book isn't teaching kids where babies come from. It's just teaching about parts.
 
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Schools have always taught sex education, often with text books or other kinds of material. Sometimes this takes place in health class. I suppose this is yet another approach. Where should children learn, especially if parents are too embarrassed to do it, or don't have the time? Of course, age appropriateness may be the issue here. There is a time and place for all things. We teach sex education to some extent at my junior high school. We also have to teach them about statutory rape, because our inner city kids don't know what that is, but they certainly are having sex. Every year we send several girls to the alternative school for pregnant junior high girls.
 

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My school started sex education in 5th grade (10 years old). They separated the boys and the girls, and told us about puberty. By 7th grade (12-13), they had told us how sex happens, and were teaching us about pregnancy.
In 9th grade (14-16), they taught us about contraception, and reviewed the best ones for a teenager to use if needed so that the people who choose to have sex know how to be safe using methods healthy for their body at this age.

Personally, my mom told me what sex was when I was nine, and I thought it was disgusting.

That seems to have worked for me. Six does seem young.
 

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I think this thread's already been done. <.>

Anyway, that's ridiculous. And vaguely creepy. Six-year-olds don't need to know about this stuff yet. Not to this extent, anyway.
 

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I can honestly say after viewing the pamphlet that story blows it way out of proportion. Yes there are two naked pictures, but all that is their is little boxes to label each part. Obviously at that age kids are aware of the fundamental difference between boys and girls.

The rest is as bland and tame as anything that comes from the government.

You can view it for yourself at
http://www.fpa.org.uk/attachments/p...sha and Joe 2008 larger file non printing.pdf
 

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I think this thread's already been done. <.>

Anyway, that's ridiculous. And vaguely creepy. Six-year-olds don't need to know about this stuff yet. Not to this extent, anyway.
I agree. I certainly had no interest in the human body when I was that age. I think it's appropriate to talk about abuse and privacy in children's terms, but I think the comic- if aimed for 1-3 graders- doesn't need to have labeling.

I can honestly say after viewing the pamphlet that story blows it way out of proportion. Yes there are two naked pictures, but all that is their is little boxes to label each part. Obviously at that age kids are aware of the fundamental difference between boys and girls.

The rest is as bland and tame as anything that comes from the government.

You can view it for yourself at
http://www.fpa.org.uk/attachments/p...sha and Joe 2008 larger file non printing.pdf
I still think it goes too far for the the age group. And is probably welcome and accepted among the pedophilia crowd.
 

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I agree. I certainly had no interest in the human body when I was that age. I think it's appropriate to talk about abuse and privacy in children's terms, but I think the comic- if aimed for 1-3 graders- doesn't need to have labeling.
I just looked at this...the labeling is ridiculous. I think kids at that age know what's what, and this document goes a bit too far as well.
 
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...locally, I understand that 1/4 of all girls here between 10-14 have gonorrhea.
GTFO! you cannot be serious.

Tell me this is a Friday the 13 prank, please.
Unfortunately ... no. I heard this on the radio about 5-6 months ago during a "teen pregnancy is way up" report.

If i was a parent, I would view this state sanctioned comic as an invasion of my family, and my right to choose when and how to begin educating my kids on the biology of the opposite sex and the safety, or not, of being approached by others, etc....
As would I, but then we share a commitment to being present and available to our future children. Unfortunately, I suspect this commitment is not universal - I see it routinely in school interactions, and reported in friends of mine who have children.

"The pamphlet, created by sexual health charity the FPA, could be shown to all school kids unless parents opt out."

The line is wherever the parent says it is.
As long as the parent draws the line and follows up, then all is well. The problem occurs when parents don't do this, or when playground rumors supersede scientific fact. Then it becomes incumbent upon the state (nanny or not) to give the children some modicum of education, if for no other reason than reducing future payout costs of the tax-paying base.

Schools have always taught sex education, often with text books or other kinds of material. Sometimes this takes place in health class. I suppose this is yet another approach. Where should children learn, especially if parents are too embarrassed to do it, or don't have the time? Of course, age appropriateness may be the issue here. There is a time and place for all things. We teach sex education to some extent at my junior high school.
Absolutely agreed, and I've highlighted the point above, which forms the crux of the issue.

We also have to teach them about statutory rape, because our inner city kids don't know what that is, but they certainly are having sex. Every year we send several girls to the alternative school for pregnant junior high girls.
This unfortunately doesn't surprise me, and unfortunately these are the children who are least likely to have two parents able, willing, and equipped to interact with their children. And so ... the cycle continues.
 

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Maybe the reason for increased teen pregnancies and STDs is because they grow up confused about sex. Instead of being taught about their body parts and sex, they're taught that these things are bad and shameful. So, if they were taught at a young age, 6-10, of the very basics of these things they'd be a lot more knowledgable about what sex is and what it can do.

At the very least it would stop those idiots from drawing penises on everything.

This is funny, for years we've had this prohibition on the human body. And we all know prohibition doesn't work. Maybe the next generation should be taught that the human body is a natural, beautiful thing, rather than something to be never spoken of.
 

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The article isn't doing a good job explaining what the comic is. The bulk of article is dedicated to myths concerning sex and how parents can talk to their teenagers. But notice this quote from the top of the article:

"Let's Grow with Nisha and Joe contains cartoon-style pictures of a naked boy and girl to teach children about different parts of the body. "

The comic is teaching kids about their bodies in the same way that a book will teach a twelve year old about puberty. I see nothing wrong with that. If you recall from the previous election, there were allegations that Obama voted to teach six year olds sex education. Like this comic book, Obama voted to allocated funds to a program to teach six year olds about their bodies and how to be safe, ie how to not be kidnapped and molested. Again, nothing wrong with this. These types of education are age-appropriate, and we are obligated to give unbiased information when children need it. This comic isn't a how-to manual. It's a biology text book for kindergartners.
I tend to agree with you there, basic info about the body that parents "supposedly" are afraid to give out. But as Lil Snap said, it IS an invasion of the family. My mother actually showed me a medical drawing of the inside of a penis when I was four or so, that wasn't so bad, I wanted to know wtf it looked like. But she never really told me wth female genitalia looked like, I never asked my dad, so that came at age 12 via watching pornography that I finally figured "HOLY SHIT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT OMG ZOMG!".

Basic stuff like that should be learned at a young age, (what genitalia look like), but anything else, I think it should be at the parents or caregivers discretion.
 

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Remember: There's a skill to reading these sorts of articles, you have find the bare facts and ignore everything else!

Anyway I'm all for it.
  • Parents can opt-out easily if they choose to.
  • The comic doesn't talk about SEX, the 'worst' part is where they show naked children. I don't see how that's an issue! They've seen one of the two already by default, and if they have sibling of the opposite sex around the same age, chances are it's nothing new to them.
  • Notice how much the comic is geared towards getting parents to help out (like filling in weight and height and stuff). It's more for them than the kids I think! It simply promotes the idea of adults discussing this sort of thing with their children.

I really don't know what the fuss is about. At no point are the children being told anything about sex! All they see is a naked picture. Heaven forbid that they should see such a natural thing as that.

And yet Sun readers probably take their kids to the zoo, to watch monkeys in cages toss themselves off. (What? They always seem to be doing when I see them, horny monkeys!)
 

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Looking at this comic from the viewpoint of a parent, it doesn't offend me at all. It appears to be tastefully written and not overdone as far as identifying and describing body parts. At the age level this book is written for there's really no need to go any further with details about body differences and bodily functions. I would have no problem with my kids going over the info in this comic in school, though I wouldn't let it be a substitute for parental training in that area which my wife and I are primarily responsible for providing.

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I really don't like sex education in schools for the simple fact that people mature at different ages. I think it was crazy and way too traumatizing to learn about it in 4th grade but then others say people should learn sooner, based on their personal experiences.
Could we both be right?

People always say Europe has less problems with this but I'm not sure if giving kids more birth control is the reason why. That can seriously screw with some psyches. What the hell are you supposed to think to be told that something is bad and wrong and be said "Go ahead anyways."
I'm actually wondering if the high teen pregnancy rate might be more to the fact that we're so uptight about our bodies. We freak out at simple nudity as if it's somehow wrong yet there's sleazy ads that suggest sex all over the place. And porn. So maybe teens get the impression of sex being far more significant in a relationship than it should be.
When John Stossel did a 20/20 (Sex, Lies and Consenting Adults) on victimless "crimes" (like prostitution), he went to Belgium where marijuana is legal and sold in many coffee shops. Turns out about 15% more Americans use the drug illegally than Belgians do legally and many of the shops were full of American visitors. The minister of health told Stossel "We have succeeded in making pot boring."
Maybe we should try to make sex boring for teens. Not play it up as something super secret and mysterious. I never understood why it's okay for babies to be seen naked but older kids playing doctor can cause permanent mortal injury. That always seemed arbitrary.

by the way, the link didn't show up for me.
 
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There's no doubt that the media plays a big role in how kids identify with sex, and how they understand it. The cartoon reminded me of something that happened when I was in kindergarten. Our teacher had us make clothespin angels around Christmas time. I had a friend who had MD. We had to take the clothespin and draw a face using crayons. Then we had to cut out wings and glue them onto the clothespin, making clothes for it. My friend decided to draw "boobies" on his angel. I thought this was a good idea, so I drew a pair on my angel as well. Of course our teacher who was an old prune, heard our giggling. She came over and saw what we had done. To her, this was horrible, and we got punished.

On a sadder note, I was one of two friends that Dennis, my partner in crime, had. He walked with leg braces and crutches. Over the few years I knew him, his MD got worse. One year I went back to school and he was no longer among us. Such a young age to die. Now he's with the real angels.
 
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