- Diaper Lover
What does silver get?
you misunderstood what i meant i was saying that you should have two groups a one time donation=donator status whereas multiple donations would give you donator plus status which would have more perks.The idea is that I want to give people a completely free choice as to whether they set up an automatic donation or a manual one.
The perks donors get are based on how much they donate, not whether they donate automatically or manually.
Aww! You mean people actually get that many PMs that they need more space? This... makes me sad...Larger PM storage? That could be cool.
I personally don't like perks for donations at all. IMO people should donate because they appreciate this website and wish for it to continue. I think giving extra thing to people who donate etc. kinda ruins that mood.
This is why Moo is calling for increased donations. People simply aren't donating to this site, what with the lack of incentives and all. We all wouldn't have a site in the first place if Moo had to keep paying out of his own pocket for it. In the *ideal* world, this place remains a close-knit community where everyone appreciates the service and donates because they want to see this place continue running strongly. But we aren't living in such a world - yes, we may be close, and yes we all want to see this place thrive, but we just don't have a high enough number of donations to continue any of that.i totally 100% agree with Ben. he may not talk much, but when he does he always talks sense! :smile:
trying to entice people into donating by waving toys and sweets in front of them makes everything start to seem really institutional. we're a warm, close community, and we donate because we care personally about the site, not because we're taken in by some shiny reward that's been created to lure us.
actually, if you've been paying attention you'll note that the site has reached or exceeded its goal of $60 a month donations ever since the option to donate was introduced. and unless you're going to tell me they all did it because they want a pink name, they did it because they care about the site and not because of incentives.This is why Moo is calling for increased donations. People simply aren't donating to this site, what with the lack of incentives and all.
obviously it's not that simple. my money is no different from anyone else's money once it's in your pocket. if you're spending money to advertise the site, then all donations go toward financing those ads.If you don't like that idea, then leave me a PM or requests forum thread stating this, and I will ensure your donation doesn't get used for advertising.
Minor interjection and Moo can correct if I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure we've met the donation quota each month since it was instituted. The only complaint I've seen Moo make is that the cash tends to clump up at the end of the month which makes it a bit worrisome, and understandably so. I expect it didn't get the job done prior to having a number up there, but I've watched the balance pretty closely and I think we've always made the mark once we were aware of what was actually needed.This is why Moo is calling for increased donations. People simply aren't donating to this site, what with the lack of incentives and all.
the argument that the only two options are stratospheric growth or cataclysmic decay has been raised before, and i didn't accept it then any more than i do now. our site will not "fold in on itself" if we don't advertize on google. that's just a bad excuse for a bad decision.It's not so much about enticing people to the site, avery, it's about allowing the site to grow. I've said it before, there's only two ways in which the site can go, growth or death. Surely you'd have to agree that you prefer the former, given only those two options.
:/Thanks for clearing all of that up for me Moo. Good on you.
Anyhow. Regarding linking. I was speaking to BabyJunior before, he was saying to me something along the lines of this:
If I can get him full access (I'm guessing, able to use chat and view all but administration forums, view gallery and what not) then he'll put www.adisc.org as his Sponsored link for a month. You'll probably have to discuss the intricacies with him as it's his site and this is your site. I'm sure you can both work something out together though
Don't take what I said about BabyJunior as solid fact. I'm not quite sure WHAT he wanted, so you'd be better of discussing it with him yourself. I asked him to post in the requests thread regarding such, but of course, whether he has or not, I do not know.:/
Access to the special areas of our site (VIP/regulars forum, etc) is not for sale at any price. If Babyjunior ever asks for this again, I'll ban him myself, and make sure he stays banned. He's already at -8 rep. Under the old rep ban system, he would only need 2 more negative rep points to get a ban anyway.
Well not really, it just means that I have to delete them less regularly.Aww! You mean people actually get that many PMs that they need more space? This... makes me sad...
Well, a donation is a donation. You give, expecting nothing in return. In that regard, you shouldn't be elevated to a higher status above other users. With your terms, a newbie could have a say in how the place is run... and if that were to happen, I'd be the first to leave. Nothing against newbies as people, but to have someone come in and not know anything about the place be given some sort of "executive power" is just crazy. VIP status is given to those who have demonstrated they are capable of being a reasonable, insightful person and not just another random who couldn't give two shits about the site. Higher status should not have a price tag - respect is earned, not bought.I'm gonna be perfectly honest here.
If I donate $20/mo... I expect to be a Mod.
I only think it is fair that if I am paying a regular percentage of this sites operating costs that I be allowed some say in daily operations.
Persons donating $10/mo or more should be put on some kind of "executive council" or "board of governors" and be given sway over how this place runs.
Don't get me wrong... I am happy with the way this place is being run now... but if I am going to put $100+ a year into this place (and I don't have a problem doing it) I do expect some return of investment.
Um... yeah... me. Not to brag or anything.But is there anyone here who does consistently donate $10+/month? I'll be honest in saying I only donate when I have the spare change, and even then it's less than $10. If someone were to donate that much a month, then definitely they should have a title to show that, if they wish... that's quite a bit of money...
Although I see and partially agree with your point, that just WON'T work.Um... yeah... me. Not to brag or anything.
I'm beginning to see this place as a company. Moo cannot support the whole thing by himself... understandable... so he is looking for investors. Asking for "donations" of pocket change every now and then is one thing... but actively seeking a regularly scheduled source of funds is another.
Now in the business world when companies get people to invest they sell a certain percentage. If our budget for ADISC is $200/mo and I am paying $20/mo that means I am responcible for 10% of our operating funds. I simply want a way to ensure that my 10% investment would be used properly. $240 a year is a lot of money to just be able to look at a website. I want something more than access to a special (dead) forum and some words under my name. I don't think it is too much to ask that I be compensated for my contribution in the form of moderator status.
All the regulars here know me. I am an honest, responcible adult... and a pretty good guy all around. I'm not going to "abuse" my powers or do anything rediculous. If I did... they could always be revoked by Moo and I'm sure he could find $20/mo from someone else easily enough.
This being said... I don't think we would have to really worry about some "newbie" paying the $20/mo... becoming a Mod... and going crazy. First off... who is going to throw that kind of money away just for kicks? Secondly... even Mods are held accountable to the Admin. Their actions can be reversed if they are found to be unjust.
So... thus be my proposal. Take it how you will... I love this place... I don't mind supporting it in the least bit... I just want a little something in exchange. Sounds fair to me.
Totally understandable... and very admirable.If I was going to be a moderator, I'd want it to be because I've contributed what's in my head and not my pocket.