Repperations?

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So pretty much every 2020 progressive candidate is running on the platform of repperarions or a promise of free stuff. I simply just can't understand this... are people really that blind? This is a direct attempt to buy votes with promises they can't fulfill. If something sounds too good to be true remember it probably is.. not to mention the complete insanity of and holes in these plans..

Lets take Reperations for Slavey for example.. I am all for the giving of reperations to anyone that was a slave. Slavery was an evil and terrible thing but the problem is no one alive has been or has owned a slave. Another problem is the fact that we fought a freaking war over this already and lost thousands of lives. Would those soldiers get reperations as well? How about african Americans that migrated after slavery? Do they get reperations? What about indentured servants? And who will pay for these reperations? Will it be the Japanese that were interned well after slavery? Will it be those that fought to free slaves? Will it be the Irish that came and fought to free slaves? Will it be the African tribe leaders that sold the slaves in the beginning? This whole thing is nonsense.... now some will argue that there are still effects from slavery on the wage gap.. of course there are.. unfortunatly there always will be... but just throwing money at the problem will not fix that. The progressive party needs people to feel victimized so that they can swoop in and be the so called heros. If you always feel like a victim you will never truly get anywhere. You will always feel like the world owes you something.. this is a lie. You can do better! you can be anything you want and there is nothing holding you back in 2019 America.

Another nonsensical idea just put forward by the amazing bearnie and super fresh Aoc is the free college and loan forgiveness idea.. honestly this sounds amazing it truly does, I go to college and I have some student loans that I would love to have erased but this plan makes no sense.. where does trillions of dollars come from? Are we going to force the blue collar workers to pay for someone's nonsensical dance theory degree? Or what about those that paid of their debts already do they get repperations? See how many problems this idea has? A lot of people say that we should just tax Amazon since they dont pay taxes.. first this too is a lie they pay billions in property and income taxes.. they may not pay a lot of corporate tax but anyone that knows basic econ knows that this isn't necessarily a bad thing they dump their profits into RnD and we get things like same day delivery but I digress.. simply enough taxing companies simply doesn't work a good example being all the companies that have left California's crazy taxes... Aoc said that if we can bail out wallstreet we should be able to ball out students.. true but the wall street bailout was a terrible terrible idea that cost billions..

But the craziness doesn't stop there.. now they are suggesting that gay couples should also get reperations... more nonsense... the government needs to stay out of marriage period. But this too is crazy because to pay reperations you have to raise taxes well statistically male gay couples make the most money sooo they would pay the most taxes to pay them selves... see the nonsense?

This whole country has kind of gone insane.. the 2020 progressive candidates are nuts and the only other option at this point is Trump who is currently playing a high risk game with China tariffs and war with Iran... we really need some third party person that can quell the extremes...

Here's to hoping the world doesn't end as the US economy crashes :) better stock up on diapers and supplies it may be a long wild ride.
 
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My dad was Lenni Lenape Indian. Do native Americans get reparations? To me, it's a noble idea but completely impractical.

Dave Chappelle did a sketch about black reparations on Comedy Central and in the sketch, every black person spent their money on crack. I still think he's the funniest man on the planet.
 

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There are to many stupid people who will vote for all the free stuff promised. Let's just tax all those rich white guys.
 

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prob trying a trump strategy and applying it to a different issue. i do not think it is serious
 

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Sadly, the democrats that are proposing these ideas are counting on people who don't understand how an economy works.
Those people only look at "what can I get for free" while not worrying about where the funds for these ideas will come from or the reprecussions of these ideas.
 

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The feeling that I have is that the politicians need to have some read "The Little Red Hen" to them.

The forgot about the ending when every one showed up to the table wanting bread, but none of them help in any of the steps to make it!!!!!!!

Besides what was 40 acres and a mule all about?
 
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I believe that the first slaves were considered indentured servents and were free to move after seven years. One of them prospered and had his own servants. He had a disagreement with one of them about the time of service and he went to court to enforce his control. The court ruled in his favor that the servant could be kept as a slave.

In the South, there were White, Black, and American Indian slave owners. All were guilty. The biggest slave owner in the Carolinas was Black.

The politicians want to devide us up into little ideological groups that they can pit against each other. When we are too busy fighting with each other we will not be watching what they do.
 

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It seems like a lot of Americans have forgot that you have to pay for the things you want and buy. The promises of free education, free healthcare, reparations, etc. are wonderful and mostly not affordable. Elizabeth Warren's plan sounds feasible, but it is at the expense of the wealthy.

I think Americans would be happy if healthcare and education were affordable like they were in the 1950's, for the most part. In the news today there were a large group of diabetic Americans headed for the Canadian border to buy insulin. Why are medical expenses 10 times more expensive here in the U. S. than Canada? It looks like Canada will have to build a wall.

I took a class this winter at my local 2 year community collage and the class cost $300.00. Why not expand the thousands of 2 year colleges to 4 year colleges. There's one close to almost every community in the U. S. Students attend, take classes and go back home. Most of us don't need all the extras that 4 year universities provide, like winning football teams. Who pays for those big sports programs, for massive high tech labs and laboratories? Most of us get simple degrees that don't need those kinds of bells and whistles.
 

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Universal basic income would be much better than reparations. It would be good for everyone... and good for the economy. More people would have money to spend. Crime rates would supposedly lower to some extent and people would be happier. People not having money to spend isn't good for anyone at all. We only get one life. No one should have to have nothing. Maybe it would mean higher taxes on the ultra rich.... but they're fine.... and the money would get back to them anyway when more people buy more stuff more often. If robots and AI really do take an unbelievable amount of jobs away from people like never before.... something like universal basic income may be near absolutely necessary. I'm actually not interested in debating this... it's too stressful..... but that's what I think.
 
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There have been a few places where they tried UBI and all have failed.
 

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The problem is by large a result of government intervention, no matter how well intentioned it will drive up costs and/or result in further government dependence. It becomes a never ending cycle of inflation and intervention which then causes more inflation.

Heck here in New Zealand it is getting to the point the lower class can not afford to go to work, not helped with another fuel tax increase that takes effect today. The government removed letting fees, rent increased, forced all landlords to insulate, rent increased, increased fuel tax, goods and services cost more, increased excise tax, dairies getting robbed left right and center, because the margins on the black market are incredible, increased minimum wage, less hours, no new jobs. This government touted its “Wellness budget” was the government that cares, would fix housing, mental health blah blah blah... everything they have done has only made things significantly worse. Just a pity our media won’t hold them to account to the point this past week one of the major outlets tried to run a poll... twice and deleted it twice when it showed 90% of respondents don’t want Adern back for a 2nd term.
 

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The problem with the slavery reparations is they kind of miss the mark. The government abuse of that class of citizens didn't end with the abolition of slavery. If you're trying to compensate people, you'd better get it right than just making it some arbitrary windfall.
 

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The problem with all the "soak the rich' schemes is that the very rich have always figured out how to game the system and there are no where near enough of them to fund all these "pie in the sky" ideas.

What people forget, is that the set of people who are "filthy" rich changes with each generation. Yes there are some who just inherited the money, but look at the visible names we see as rich. Zuckerberg of Facebook, Brin of Google, Soros of whatever, even Buffet of Berkshire-Hathaway. They may have come from middle class families (hell, Brin and Soros were immigrants). If we try to confiscate the bulk of the wealth from the "nasty" rich, they will just figure out a new way to hide it, and they won't be creating things like Google and Facebook.

The only way we can pay for: Medicare for all, student loan forgiveness, wage subsidies, and, even worse all the environmental and non-environmental things in the "green new deal" is to greatly increase the taxes on the middle class, who don't have easy ways to not pay taxes.

Do we really want the government who can't even provide basic health care for disabled veterans to try to provide health care for all of us?

Is it fair that students who worked their way through college, or blue-collar workers who never went to college, should have to pay for the loans taken out by those who chose to go to college on loans and are finding that the degree they received is not valued in the marketplace, for them to make enough to pay it back?

Will people receiving a basic-living wage, try to fix their skills so they can find jobs that, in the long run, will pull them out of government dependence, but in the short-run don't really change their situation?

Will employers hire unskilled entry-level workers when the minimum wage doesn't justify the value they add (see McDonalds starting to use Kiosks for order entry to cut down on their employee count)?

The long list of countries where the people were better off under full socialism is the null set. As Margaret Thatcher said: "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

As far as reparations, should the descendants of those who fought for the north in the Civil War be exempt?

How about people who emigrated to the U.S. after 1865?

What is the percentage of ancestors that were slaves that a person would have to meet to qualify?

Is there a wealth or status limit (should a Cory Booker, who went to ivy league schools and had both parents IBM executives be included)?

Do we want to also include, Japanese who are descended from people who were placed in internment camps by the FDR administration?

How about Chinese who after building the inter-continental railroad were heavily discriminated against?

Do we owe something the the Hispanics whose ancestors lost property when the U.S. took over the western part of the country from Mexico?

How about the native american, who basically had the country taken from them and then were relegated to reservations which were really little different than the Japanese internment camps?

What the country "owes" each American is the right to use their abilities and talents to the full-extent possible without discriminatory hindrance. We need to improve the educational outlook for all students, but that requires that parents get involved, that we return to a situation where disruptive students are placed in special classrooms, so the non-disruptive students can actually learn and teachers do not have to fear for their safety. Negative constructs like gangs must be defeated and if they are made up of non-citizens, then those members sent back to wherever they came from.

Neither of my parents had any college education and my father died in WW2, so I was raised by a single parent. But, I was taught from an early age that education matters and the adults needed to be respected, and that I was responsible for both my successes and failures. I have an engineering BS and a computer science masters that I worked for and earned. I have had failures in my life but I recognize that the primary cause of those failures is my worst enemy (the one who lives in my body) and hopefully, I have learned from those failures and also from any successes that I have had.

One thing I have learned in my almost 75 years on this planet is that if you see yourself as a victim, you are one. If you think the world is out to get you, it will be. On the other hand, if you follow the rule in my signature, you will have a better life (not perfect).
 

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I am opposed to any kind of monetary 'reparation' for slavery because I believe it would make our problems with racism even worse. Besides all the concerns already mentioned about who would actually get the money and who would pay for it, I see it as a diversion meant to relieve us of the bad feelings some of us have about the ongoing racism that still exists in our country. We would in essence be tossing African Americans a bone and saying "See? All better now", while failing to recognize and address the reality we are living with today. For me, the operative word here should be recognition rather than reparation.

Reparations for Native Americans is a different situation. At some point in our history the U.S. government switched it's strategy for dealing with Native Americans from one that favored genocide to one primarily centered on making treaties. It's my understanding that the U.S. broke all of those treaties, usually for gold or land acquisition. Just like with slavery we could say we aren't responsible for what people did more than 150 years ago, but both parties to those treaties are still here today. The question is, is there an expiration date on permanent treaties made by the U.S government?

As for free education and free healthcare, everyone knows those things aren't free. Sander's approach is a little too extreme for me, but here again the operative word should be recognition. It seems that American citizens are struggling to pay for adequate education and healthcare more so than citizens of other industrialized nations. The U.S. government has an obligation to look into this because these two things are critical to us, not just as individuals but as a nation.
 

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Here's my question on the subject of paying reparations:

Why?
This question is an incredibly valid one to raise. The answer is complicated though. Most who support reparations do so because slavery and the racist laws and institutions (eg sharecropping, racially biased policing, etc.) were incredibly detrimental to African Americans, and they see reparations as a way to right the wrongs of the past(Source). However it would be disingenuous to say that all activists for racial justice agree that reparations are a way to go. There are many that argue that reparations are overly focused on the past and don't address the most current issues. Instead they contend that the best way to right the wrongs of the past is to address slavery's legacy (eg inequality in wealth, poorly funded schools, etc.) (Source)
 

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This may not be the most accepted comment, but it is arguable that some African nations actually owe the reparations. The majority of the slaves brought to the us were captured by rival African tribes. They were traded with the slavers for goods and it kept their people safe at the same time.
One needs to keep in mind that the slavers were no challenge to the average Zulu warrior on his own territory. Even though they brought guns for protection, a wounded slave would not be worth much. Sadly many African Americans can trace their lineage back to lesser tribes that were oppressed by the stronger ones. Oprah herself did an ancestry test because she thought she was descended from the Zulu. Turns out she was from a lesser tribe.
Being from NH I had an ancestor who served in the 6th new Hampshire regiment during the civil war. I could argue that I should be exempt due to the fact that my ancestor fought against it
 

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My dad was Lenni Lenape Indian. Do native Americans get reparations? To me, it's a noble idea but completely impractical.

Dave Chappelle did a sketch about black reparations on Comedy Central and in the sketch, every black person spent their money on crack. I still think he's the funniest man on the planet.
I am pretty sure I saw that Sketch, from what I recall it wasnt only that, but also prices of KFC skyrocketed to like $600 a bucket and they also all bought Cadillac Escalades.

I agree this "reparations" thing is nonsense

I think if they went through with it everyone could probably find somewhere in their Families History where someone had done their Ancestors wrong and should pay them $ for it, after all very few people are 100% Privileged White People whom were never oppressed and never suffered any problems at any point in their Families History

It seems like a lot of Americans have forgot that you have to pay for the things you want and buy. The promises of free education, free healthcare, reparations, etc. are wonderful and mostly not affordable. Elizabeth Warren's plan sounds feasible, but it is at the expense of the wealthy.

I think Americans would be happy if healthcare and education were affordable like they were in the 1950's, for the most part. In the news today there were a large group of diabetic Americans headed for the Canadian border to buy insulin. Why are medical expenses 10 times more expensive here in the U. S. than Canada? It looks like Canada will have to build a wall.

I took a class this winter at my local 2 year community collage and the class cost $300.00. Why not expand the thousands of 2 year colleges to 4 year colleges. There's one close to almost every community in the U. S. Students attend, take classes and go back home. Most of us don't need all the extras that 4 year universities provide, like winning football teams. Who pays for those big sports programs, for massive high tech labs and laboratories? Most of us get simple degrees that don't need those kinds of bells and whistles.
I will tell you why

In The United States we allow these "Pharmaceutical Companies" to set prices on Medication

if they dont have competition in the way of the same medication made by a Different Company for less money or a Generic Version of it, then they run a Monopoly on that Drug

When people need it, they will either pay the price, or go without and potentially die due to not having it

It is really shameful that they allow these companies to raise prices up as high as they want to and its 100% legal and nobody does anything about it, but The Government allows it (probably because Big Pharma pays the Politicians good money to not make Bills that oppose their Monopoly)

There have been multiple Big Pharma CEOs (such as Martin Shkreli) that have raised Medication Prices through the roof either because they want more money or the investors want a bigger return on their investments or something to that effect, but that's how it is

I used to be on a Medication that was $450 a month, $15 per pill, and that's not even 1 of the worse (most expensive) examples out there
 
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This question is an incredibly valid one to raise. The answer is complicated though. Most who support reparations do so because slavery and the racist laws and institutions (eg sharecropping, racially biased policing, etc.) were incredibly detrimental to African Americans, and they see reparations as a way to right the wrongs of the past(Source). However it would be disingenuous to say that all activists for racial justice agree that reparations are a way to go. There are many that argue that reparations are overly focused on the past and don't address the most current issues. Instead they contend that the best way to right the wrongs of the past is to address slavery's legacy (eg inequality in wealth, poorly funded schools, etc.) (Source)
It's futile. My family never owned slaves an a fraction of a percent of the Southern population ever owned any in real life. Why should I have to give up my money and live destitute over stuff that happened before even my grandparents were born? How would one tackle the logistics if it were attempted? How would they gauge what needs to be paid and who exactly would get the money? How long would it last? Think about it!

It's all fantasy.
 
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