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I'm confused. Other than a national database for police-related violence, everything else mentioned in proposed federal legislation is well within the purview of the state and local governments. They want to ban choke holds, they can do it. They want to increase police training and add martial-arts training to lower the chances of deadly conflict, they can do it. They want to try using more health and mental professionals to handle mental and domestic disturbance, they can do it. They want to get more BOC officers, they control the recruiting rules and the pay. They want to have more oversight of the results after a confrontation, they can do it. They want to create a web site with a database covering any complaints about police action, they can do it. They want to mandate that police cameras be always on, they can do it.

So again, other than making the database of police interactions national, why are any of the states or localities waiting for federal action?

They could have done any or all of these (except body-cams) decades ago and they body-cams have been readily available for at least five years. So the question is, what were the local and state governments waiting for?
I'll toss-in my .02 on this.
The only reason I can see Govt. permitting incompetence, is to see society degenerate even further, giving Govt. all the excuses it wants to pass still more restrictions/infringements/prohibitions against the law-abiding. Funny how none of those things does jack shit to stop the bad guys' behavior, isn't it?
So we get what we've seen year after year after year, with no apparent end in sight.
Until the Citizenry finally says, 'Enough is enough!', and takes-up arms and stands their ground, defending themselves against first the violent mobs, and then the inept/corrupt Govt. itself, as necessary.
I'd love to be wrong about all of this, because if I'm right, the core problem is and has been the ruling members of our Country holding cushy Tax Payer jobs in politics and withing the judiciary.
If our 'Leaders' and 'Law-Makers/Enforcers' can't be relied on?
It boils-down to us taking a firm hand.
 

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The only reason I can see Govt. permitting incompetence, is to see society degenerate even further, giving Govt. all the excuses it wants to pass still more restrictions/infringements/prohibitions against the law-abiding. .... Until the Citizenry finally says, 'Enough is enough!', and takes-up arms and stands their ground, defending themselves against first the violent mobs, and then the inept/corrupt Govt. itself, as necessary.
Oldehoss

You may not be fully aware that your comments are skirting paranoia and psychosis. These are disturbing and frightening times for all of us. Please take care of your emotional health and reach out for support from those you trust.

Regards. Dylan.
 
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Why would anyone want to debate you anyway? Your the first to accuse any left leaning poster of being a bad actor and seem to want to derail threads. Your only posts are conspiracy theories, lies and misconstrued data and statistics, most of it being stuff trump said. The irony of your accusing Tiny is your argument boils down to "orange man good, liberals bad"

And did you even read the article that pics from?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-america-are-all-run-by-democrats-they-arent/
It disagrees with you.

This is a mature board for mature discussions not 4chan.
So why dont you respect this community more, regard facts and dont be so antagonistic.
I'm not accusing Tiny of being a bad actor, I'm accusing him of being ignorant and not taking into account all sides of the argument. He hates Trump, which I've got no problem with, the "Orange Guy" can be pretty dumb and arrogant, but then he admits to not knowing anything about Biden at all. So, and correct me if I'm wrong, but he wants Biden to win for the simple reason that he doesn't like Trump even though he doesn't know anything about Biden. He then stumbled all over the disabled guy and didn't even know about the situation. When I pointed out that Trump has a history of doing that very Trope over the last 15 years, Tiny's comment was to say that he shouldn't have done that to somebody that actually has cerebral palsy, but the reporter didn't even have it.

The only conspiracy theories I get are the ones from watching too much CNN, lol.

And did you even read the article? The author was so eager to fact check Trump who apparently said all 20 out of 20 were democrat. The author, in response, posted those lovely facts to show that there is indeed one, ONE, republican city, and three independents over the course of both charts. He literally wanted to fact check Donald so much that he made his own position look worse by showing people how much blue is out there. He then spends the next couple of paragraphs trying to walk himself out of the massive crater he dug, which he fails to do, and finishes the article off with saying "but... but, Jacksonville has crime." His effort was laughable.

One other thing he forgot to mention was that out of the 100 largest cities in the country, 64 are run by Democrats, 29 are run by Republicans, 3 are independent, and 4 are nonpartisan. So in the crime adjusted per 10,000 residents, we should see, if this were one to one, 3 republican cities, but we don't. They're all democrat save for one independent. Please try again and do a better job than the Washington Post.

Did you really think I would post the stats without reading the article, I'm hurt.
 

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If Biden actually does suffer from dementia, then his best campaign strategy would be to avoid the spotlight and let Trump continue to self destruct. Once in office, Biden would undoubtedly assemble a capable team of advisors, secretaries, and ambassadors to do the grunt work of running the country. He won't see himself as "The Chosen One" that divinely intervenes in everyone's business, but will be open to discussing other's opinions. And he can actually READ, which is crucial to understanding legislation and written briefings. He will treat allies as allies, and adversaries as adversaries, and know the difference between the two. Like many Democratic presidents before him, he would be taking over at a time of major discontent and civil unrest, all due to wrongful actions by the previous administration. He will be facing an economy that's failing due to an out of control epidemic and a staggering national debt. He will be facing adamant public demands to restructure a faulty law enforcement system.

He won't be perfect. But he will be presidential. It's a step in the right direction.
 

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What a ridiculous attempt at denying the obvious. People have really got to stop making excuses for Trump's persistent, inexcusable behavior.
Trump: Does spastic trope to make fun of people he thinks are stupid over the course of at least two decades.

Democrats: Crickets...

Trump: Does spastic trope to make fun of a flustered reporter. Also does spastic trope to make fun of a flustered general in the very SAME speech.

Democrats: Only shows Trump doing spastic trope in case of the reporter, ignores trope in regards to general.

Also democrats: Trump only did spastic trope because the reporter was handicapped. Sheep-like mentality and outrage ensues.

Republicans: Face Palm

But yeah... I'm denying the obvious.
 

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If Biden actually does suffer from dementia, then his best campaign strategy would be to avoid the spotlight and let Trump continue to self destruct. Once in office, Biden would undoubtedly assemble a capable team of advisors, secretaries, and ambassadors to do the grunt work of running the country. He won't see himself as "The Chosen One" that divinely intervenes in everyone's business, but will be open to discussing other's opinions. And he can actually READ, which is crucial to understanding legislation and written briefings. He will treat allies as allies, and adversaries as adversaries, and know the difference between the two. Like many Democratic presidents before him, he would be taking over at a time of major discontent and civil unrest, all due to wrongful actions by the previous administration. He will be facing an economy that's failing due to an out of control epidemic and a staggering national debt. He will be facing adamant public demands to restructure a faulty law enforcement system.

He won't be perfect. But he will be presidential. It's a step in the right direction.
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Trump: Does spastic trope to make fun of people he thinks are stupid over the course of at least two decades.

Democrats: Crickets...

Trump: Does spastic trope to make fun of a flustered reporter. Also does spastic trope to make fun of a flustered general in the very SAME speech.

Democrats: Only shows Trump doing spastic trope in case of the reporter, ignores trope in regards to general.

Also democrats: Trump only did spastic trope because the reporter was handicapped. Sheep-like mentality and outrage ensues.

Republicans: Face Palm

But yeah... I'm denying the obvious.
So basically, your problem is that the Democrats don't criticise Trump enough?! :ROFLMAO:

Are you suggesting that the Republicans did a better job of criticising Trump for his offensive bigotry? Come on!

Trump's behaviour speaks for itself. The fact that his supporters don't even try to deny it and try to divert blame to unrelated parties smacks of desperation.
 

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Wait, I got one more.
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So basically, your problem is that the Democrats don't criticise Trump enough?! :ROFLMAO:

Are you suggesting that the Republicans did a better job of criticising Trump for his offensive bigotry? Come on!

Trump's behavior speaks for itself. The fact that his supporters don't even try to deny it and try to divert blame to unrelated parties smacks of desperation.
Sure, whatever you want to tell yourself instead of admitting that CNN failed to show the whole story. I practically just spoonfed you evidence showing that Trump used the same trope against two different people in the same speech and it completely went over your head. Again, you fail to take any time to actually research the topic you're discussing. Have you gone back yet to correct yourself when you claimed that the reporter has cerebral palsy or did you just ignore the fact your lying and move on? You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
 

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Funny you should post that so soon after Trump ran away to his underground bunker because he was so scared of street protests! :ROFLMAO:

The psychological projection is powerful with this one!
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Yes, its quite sad that our leaders feel the need to hide from the public. I'm not denying that Trump hid in the bunker for a hole hour, I just think its funny that Biden doesn't even have protestors throwing stuff at officers and breaking down barracades and yet he still feels the need to hide.
 

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Yes, its quite sad that our leaders feel the need to hide from the public. I'm not denying that Trump hid in the bunker for a hole hour, I just think its funny that Biden doesn't even have protestors throwing stuff at officers and breaking down barracades and yet he still feels the need to hide.
Biden is leading by example and staying inside because of a deadly virus thats been spreading. He hasnt been sitting on his hands either.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics...dering-coronavirus-pandemic/story?id=71524406

On the other hand trump compacts followers into smaller spaces because he cares more about photo shoots then human lives.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-rally-coronavirus.html

Gonna twist anything elts to make your "alternative facts". Im on to your "piss off the libs" tactics, with twists and trumpisms. Remeber, trump doesnt care about you or any followers. He's a narcissist whos trying to destroy the parts of are country he doesnt like and remake the rest in his image.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/04/how-to-destroy-a-government/606793/

I dont know if you think its funny or a joke, but its not. Try not being a jestor.
 

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Biden is leading by example and staying inside because of a deadly virus thats been spreading. He hasnt been sitting on his hands either.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics...dering-coronavirus-pandemic/story?id=71524406
I got to be honest, I don't know what Sleepy Jow does all day and don't really care to look it up at the moment. I'll concede and agree that Joe has been much better at following CDC guidelines than Trump who is either too stupid or too prideful and arrogant to wear a mask. I always just figured that if he gets sick and dies from covid that people wouldn't really care. Unless you hate Pence, of course.

On the other hand trump compacts followers into smaller spaces because he cares more about photo shoots then human lives.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-rally-coronavirus.html
If people want to be stupid and go to a rally where they're going to expose themselves to possibly getting sick then that's their fault. Same thing with all these protestors and beachgoers. People are arrogant and prideful by nature, don't think that will really ever change.

As far as the rally itself, it actually gave Fox its highest tune ins ever.

And I seem to remember a time when a travel ban was put in place that the Democrats were up in arms about. Biden saying Trump was xenophobic, Nancy encouraging people to eat in China Town, and Cuomo telling people to go about their normal lives. Then it turns out that Covid is actually something to worry about and Dems flipped their position entirely. Funny how that works.

And let's not forget about the nursing home disaster in New York.

Gonna twist anything elts to make your "alternative facts". Im on to your "piss off the libs" tactics, with twists and trumpisms. Remeber, trump doesnt care about you or any followers. He's a narcissist whos trying to destroy the parts of are country he doesnt like and remake the rest in his image.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/04/how-to-destroy-a-government/606793/

I dont know if you think its funny or a joke, but its not. Try not being a jestor.
I don't really know what alternative facts you're talking about, but I must say that you seem rather paranoid over my posts. I didn't mean to even piss anybody off, I just said what I believe and backed it up with sources that support those beliefs. If that's pissed you off then you might want to take a chill pill or take a break from politics. Remember, its good to expose oneself to other's views and broaden one's scope of information and news going. I believe you said something similar to that in one of your postings on a newer thread.

And destroying the country to remake it in his own image? You mean like people calling for the disbandment and defunding of police, tearing down statues, creating autonomous zones that have black only areas, and pushing for a more socialist based society rather than a capitalist one that this country was founded on. Because that to me sounds like a people trying to tear down a system and recreate it in their own image. I think you should go back and read 1984.

Also, do you really think any politicians actually care about their supporters? I mean a lot of these cities where all this supposed inequality and systemic racism is rampant have been run by democrats upwards of 60 to 80 years. And even worse, many of them run by black democrats. Why has the party of equality and justice not knocked these injustices out where it counts in all those years?
 

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I practically just spoonfed you evidence showing that Trump used the same trope against two different people in the same speech and it completely went over your head. Again, you fail to take any time to actually research the topic you're discussing. Have you gone back yet to correct yourself when you claimed that the reporter has cerebral palsy or did you just ignore the fact your lying and move on? You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Can you not see that none of this makes any difference to the matter in hand?

If I punch someone in the face, would the explanation that, "I do it all the time" make it okay?

Again, the projection is strong. Why can't you just admit that Trump was making fun of the reporter? Why can't you just accept what we all saw, say that he should never have done it to anyone, and should have behaved more like a grown up, if not a president?

Do you go around mocking people's disabilities for fun? Is that why you're defending Trump?
 

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Why would anyone want to debate you anyway? Your the first to accuse any left leaning poster of being a bad actor and seem to want to derail threads. Your only posts are conspiracy theories, lies and misconstrued data and statistics, most of it being stuff trump said. The irony of your accusing Tiny is your argument boils down to "orange man good, liberals bad"

And did you even read the article that pics from?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-america-are-all-run-by-democrats-they-arent/
It disagrees with you.

This is a mature board for mature discussions not 4chan.
So why dont you respect this community more, regard facts and dont be so antagonistic.
Yeah your article confirms that 19 of the 20 cities are in fact democrat run...and it's attempting to make a story out if him being off by 1. The lefts propaganda arm is laughable at this point. Try harder.
 

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Yeah your article confirms that 19 of the 20 cities are in fact democrat run...and it's attempting to make a story out if him being off by 1. The lefts propaganda arm is laughable at this point. Try harder.
Actually the main point was citys, being places compact with people tend to have more crime. Because theres more people. Not because of Demacrat laws. Or because there in blue states. But you can use rightwing hive-think if you want, I guess.

The lefts propaganda, huh?
Or Trump apparently
If you think what Tinys been posting about trump is wrong, you've been the one consuming propaganda. You should check some of his sources.

Now which fine person taught the right how to project? Or does it come naturally with talking points? This reminds when someone once called me a "science cultist". You use a term but dont get the contextual meaning.
 
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I wonder how many people understand the simple fact: it was the 'Secret Service' that commanded/lead President Trump into the bunker.
That is their job- protect the POTUS against imminent threat.
I'd love to just laugh at all the angst being thrown against the man, while the angst still supports/defends the inept Democratic Party's antics.
But I can't, because those trying to throw angst at President Trump, are promoting their own angst, x 10.
It's like Jerry Springer is directing the whole show. I never much liked Jerry Springer, either.
 

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You may not be fully aware that your comments are skirting paranoia and psychosis. These are disturbing and frightening times for all of us. Please take care of your emotional health and reach out for support from those you trust.

Regards. Dylan.
You are obviously unaware that your continued false presumptions about me/others, is a form of narcissism. These are disturbing times for all of us. Please take care of your emotional health and reach out for the support of those you trust.
I'm aware of 'Remember the Maine!'
I'm aware of the 'Gulf of Tonkin'.
I'm aware of my own govt. injecting STD's into Citizens, to serve it's own immoral medical testing. Same with the Indigenous Amerindian sterilization, and those suffering from severe mental health issues.
I'm aware of the 'Bay of Pigs'.
As a Veteran, I'm damned aware of my govt. exposing soldiers to nuclear radiation, way past any semblance of 'Safety', just to see what the effects would be on living human beings (all their prior tests using livestock weren't bad enough?).
I'm aware of the justification given to start the first Gulf War, sans any proof of WMD's.
I'm aware of the Govt. murdering citizens that did no wrong, in an effort to arrest ONE person of suspicion (re: Ruby Ridge/Branch Davidian incidents, for starters.)
I'm aware of the utter lack of govt. policy/standards, which led to the horrendous events of 9/11 (No locked cockpits in commercial aircraft? After how many years of terrorists hijacking passenger planes, prior? After the first 'Trade Towers' terrorist attack?)
I'm aware of my Govt. first offering support of, then finding those it supported/promoted/defended, are actually bad people (throughout the Middle East (and elsewhere).
I'm aware of hundreds of other examples, all proving Govt. is not 'God', and often ignores, or deliberately promotes bad policy.
I'm aware of many things, having lived nearly 60 years.
I am not trying to say all aspects of Govt. is wrong, maligned, corrupt, or even attempting to be tyrannical.
I am saying and believe that far too many aspects of our Govt./Judiciary, are.

Don't try belittling others for talking common sense.
Don't you dare try diagnosing others on a chat room Forum. Not even the Owner/Moderators take that route, and expressly forbid anyone trying.
I have no problem if 'You' trust Govt. w/o any proof. More power to ya!
Don't try to demand all of us follow that lemming train.

I made an attempt to read another of your comments, just to see if perhaps my earlier decision to 'Ignore' you was unjustified.

Thank you, again, for proving my earlier censorship, correct.
 

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Can you not see that none of this makes any difference to the matter in hand?

If I punch someone in the face, would the explanation that, "I do it all the time" make it okay?

Again, the projection is strong. Why can't you just admit that Trump was making fun of the reporter? Why can't you just accept what we all saw, say that he should never have done it to anyone, and should have behaved more like a grown up, if not a president?

Do you go around mocking people's disabilities for fun? Is that why you're defending Trump?
Because he didn't "just make fun of the reporter," he didn't "just single out the reporter," he didn't "just mock the reporter's disability." Why can't you see that? Why can't you see that CNN failed to show the whole story? Why can't you admit that Trump made fun of a guy who happened to be handicapped rather than made fun of a guy because he's handicapped? Nobody ever said Trump was "presidential" that's part of the reason he got elected. People were done with presidential.

Oh, and by the way, assaulting somebody will get you thrown in jail. Didn't know if you knew that or not. Mocking somebody or many somebody's won't. Don't try to bring false equivalences into an argument.
 
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