question about controversy re: author of assigned male comics is babyfur/diaperfur

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i was surprised i could not seem to find a thread on this topic in the forum, i am sorry if it's not allowed. i just have no one to talk to about my feelings about this. i should preface this by saying i am not a diaperfur myself, but i love the abu hats and peekabu diapers with the little animals so hopefully we all have that in common hehe. however, i decided to post here because i am guessing there are people on this forum that know a lot more about diaperfur art than me.

ok so i thought this was a widely-discussed topic, but probably only in my chronically-online corner of the internet (i belong to many niche communities, for starters of course i am ABDL and i am also trans). background: there are a series of webcomics called assigned male. they have been running for a while, at least since 2013 as i remember. they are about a 13-or-so year old trans girl who is 'wise beyond her years' and talks about her experiences with gender, etc. i admit that the rhetoric of the comics could be rather heavy-handed at times, but i always liked them. well a little while back, it came out on twitter that the author of the assigned male comics, sophie labelle, draws diaperfur art. lots of people are now boycotting the comics. reasons are as follows (discourse about this is mainly posted on twitter too, for those interested in reading).

first of all, some people attacked her just for being into diapers, calling it "gross". this part was very disheartening to see. but also they are calling her a pedo because they said she used real-life kids as the model for her diaperfur pictures, showing examples of photos of kids that she drew from. some people say it's bad that she drew pictures using real kids as the model, some say it's fine. the biggest point that people took issue with was that the images look like sexualized images of children to them. for example she drew a puppy wearing a sagging diaper, where you can see the top of his bum and his tail is sticking out above the diaper. it was stated that normally in diaperfur art, the tail is shown sticking out of the back of the diaper, and people theorized she added this detail to 'show off his body' or something. i'm not including images in case they really are as racy as people are trying to say they are. but i really don't understand what's the problem with her art.

disclaimer: i do not in any way support the exposure of children to sexual content or the use of children for sexual content. i am abdl and strongly wish that people would not conflate the abdl fetish/interest with actual attraction to children. to me, abdl is about wanting to become like a child as an adult (or care for/be cared for by someone with those interests).

tl;dr: it's maybe because i am autistic (another niche community!), but i don't get what's wrong with sophie labelle's diaperfur art. people are cancelling her because they say she made sexualized images of children. can someone help me understand? is it true that the convention for diaper fur art is to draw the tail sticking out of the diaper? thank you for looking at my post.
 
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As I see it, the biggest "problem” here is that she made herself sort of a pubic figure through her transgender advocacy and then let slip that she's into diapers and furry stuff. In an ideal world that wouldn't add up to a shitstorm, but… 🤷 Whenever the private lives of public figures are put under a magnifying glass, somebody finds something to be “outraged” over, and let's be honest: Liking diapers is trouble enough even for the average person.

It does appear as though she traced a photo of a baby for one of her babyfur drawings. The drawing in question seems innocent enough to me, but a provable connection to an actual baby is a magnet for unfounded accusations. I’d bet photos of babies have been used as references for many, many babyfur drawings, probably by just about every well-known babyfur artist.

…But when you’re a public figure with an establishment of bloodthirsty detractors, you don’t get to be open about these things, and being outed is even worse.

In fairness, I couldn’t be bothered to read everything. Maybe there’s more to it, and maybe that would change my opinion. As it is, I think she’s a good person in a tough position, she let her guard down, and the consequences were predictable.
 
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BabySpiderman said:
tl;dr: it's maybe because i am autistic (another niche community!), but i don't get what's wrong with sophie labelle's diaperfur art.
Nothing is wrong with Sophie Labelle's babyfur/diaperfur art. The people criticizing her for it are bigoted idiots.

The "controversy" was over a year ago. This November, Labelle made a series of comics about littles.

 
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Cottontail said:
But when you’re a public figure with an establishment of bloodthirsty detractors, you don’t get to be open about these things, and being outed is even worse.
probably couldn't have said it better myself. I honestly feel like she's a good person. thanks for your input.
 

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buridan said:
The "controversy" was over a year ago. This November, Labelle made a series of comics about littles.
I know it's been a while which is why I was surprised I couldn't find anything about it by searching here. Basically I feel the exact same way as you guys and I'm happy that she made comics about the identity too, seems like she's refusing to let it bring her down.

What messed with me was that some of the people criticizing her were also trans and had been abused as kids so I couldn't help but be scared if there was some legitimacy to those claims. I didn't give the bigoted people's comments a second thought. But I was scared that there's something wrong with me for not seeing what was wrong with the drawings. I guess the loud opinions of a few people on twitter kind of took over everything.
 

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BabySpiderman said:
first of all, some people attacked her just for being into diapers, calling it "gross". this part was very disheartening to see. but also they are calling her a pedo because they said she used real-life kids as the model for her diaperfur pictures, showing examples of photos of kids that she drew from. some people say it's bad that she drew pictures using real kids as the model, some say it's fine. the biggest point that people took issue with was that the images look like sexualized images of children to them. for example she drew a puppy wearing a sagging diaper, where you can see the top of his bum and his tail is sticking out above the diaper. it was stated that normally in diaperfur art, the tail is shown sticking out of the back of the diaper, and people theorized she added this detail to 'show off his body' or something. i'm not including images in case they really are as racy as people are trying to say they are. but i really don't understand what's the problem with her art.
This comes with the fact that a lot of people aren't really educated about what a babyfur is, let alone even know what an ABDL is. As someone who is an ABDL/babyfur, I, unfortunately, can relate to what Sophie Labelle has experienced because people in a community said some really nasty stuff about it before I was banned. I remember in one chat I was in before I left, they literally said that I had "CP of animals" on my former Deviantart profile. Yes, I'm not kidding about that. They literally believe that babyfur/diaper fetish art is equal to fucking child porn of all things. As a result of this, they called me a pedophile and zoophile. This led me from isolating myself to being with these people, since I really didn't know if they were planning on getting me arrested on account that they literally believe that I'm some potential predator or some shit.

However, I do see how it could be easily controversial to some. But the one thing I really don't get is how in the fuck do people consider it to be equivalent to child pornography of all things? I don't really think a lot of babyfurs, let alone adult baby/diaper lovers, are out to molest or hurt kids. If it was considered to be CP, then the FBI would actually arrest these people for producing and distributing CP. However, I don't really see this happening to a lot of people who are even babyfurs since their art is just a bunch of pixels, with no actual children being involved. It's just a ridiculously scary thought because it shows that people really are ignorant about what a pedophile actually is, and ABDLs happen to be victims of this bullshit.
 
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BabyBluePup said:
This comes with the fact that a lot of people aren't really educated about what a babyfur is, let alone even know what an ABDL is. As someone who is an ABDL/babyfur, I, unfortunately, can relate to what Sophie Labelle has experienced because people in a community said some really nasty stuff about it before I was banned. I remember in one chat I was in before I left, they literally said that I had "CP of animals" on my former Deviantart profile. Yes, I'm not kidding about that. They literally believe that babyfur/diaper fetish art is equal to fucking child porn of all things. As a result of this, they called me a pedophile and zoophile. This led me from isolating myself to being with these people, since I really didn't know if they were planning on getting me arrested on account that they literally believe that I'm some potential predator or some shit.

However, I do see how it could be easily controversial to some. But the one thing I really don't get is how in the fuck do people consider it to be equivalent to child pornography of all things? I don't really think a lot of babyfurs, let alone adult baby/diaper lovers, are out to molest or hurt kids. If it was considered to be CP, then the FBI would actually arrest these people for producing and distributing CP. However, I don't really see this happening to a lot of people who are even babyfurs since their art is just a bunch of pixels, with no actual children being involved. It's just a ridiculously scary thought because it shows that people really are ignorant about what a pedophile actually is, and ABDLs happen to be victims of this bullshit.
I guess there are people that equate all babyfur art to CP and/or zoo. That's so disheartening. As an ABDL I am a bit closer to understanding the baby/diaperfur community than most but I still don't fully understand, hence coming here to ask you about this topic. I could see a totally overblown lack of understanding contributing to this, I guess, but I am so sad to hear that this happened to you too. I hope some day society may understand that we just really like to role play what we missed out on as children or enjoy a different, comfortable undergarment and that's really it. We are not perverts for engaging in this.
 

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BabySpiderman said:
I guess there are people that equate all babyfur art to CP and/or zoo. That's so disheartening. As an ABDL I am a bit closer to understanding the baby/diaperfur community than most but I still don't fully understand, hence coming here to ask you about this topic. I could see a totally overblown lack of understanding contributing to this, I guess, but I am so sad to hear that this happened to you too. I hope some day society may understand that we just really like to role play what we missed out on as children or enjoy a different, comfortable undergarment and that's really it. We are not perverts for engaging in this.
Yeah, personally I feel like it was my fault for letting them know about that because they didn't really want to know until it was too late. However looking back, I don't feel like they were my friends to begin with since they acted like shit to me at times. I also felt like I was so desperate for getting friends, I didn't realize I was hanging out with very problematic people.
 
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Yeah, personally I feel like it was my fault for letting them know about that because they didn't really want to know until it was too late. However looking back, I don't feel like they were my friends to begin with since they acted like shit to me at times. I also felt like I was so desperate for getting friends, I didn't realize I was hanging out with very problematic people.
If people don't accept you for being you, then they weren't your friends in the first place.
 
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BabyBluePup said:
Yeah, personally I feel like it was my fault for letting them know about that because they didn't really want to know until it was too late. However looking back, I don't feel like they were my friends to begin with since they acted like shit to me at times. I also felt like I was so desperate for getting friends, I didn't realize I was hanging out with very problematic people.
I hate to hear that they were just not good people. I hope it showed you that you deserve to be friends with people that love you for who you are. And I'm sure those people are out there but we might have to find them on the internet sometimes.
 
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