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Hey all! I was in my psych class today and we were the discussing the topic of hypnosis.

Through the boredom of listening to the lecture and notetaking, I heard a type of hypnosis that deals with age regression. It caught my eye because I didn't expect for that to be part of hypnosis.

The notes said something along the lines of "most doctors use this type of hypnosis to help patients regress to a child like state to help remember trauma of some sort." But, it is not used much because patients just pretended to be in their child mindset.

That got me thinking, is that how AB came to be?

I don't know, just something to ponder, what are your thoughts about that?

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I'm going to say I highly doubt that is how AB/DL came to be. My reason for my belief is that I am AB/DL and I was never hypnotized by any doctor. I had some rough moments growing up, and whether or not those had anything to do with me being AB/DL is really anybody's guess.

But that;s my thoughts on your topic.
 

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Agreed, this isn't the source of ABDL. I've never been hypnotized, and I've ABDL-identified since about 2 years old.
 

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That got me thinking, is that how AB came to be?

If this is so, the 25k or more AB/DLs on this planet to me would then be the product of a massive conspiracy of the Big Adult Incontinence industry.

So trixys they are.
 

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What do you exactly mean?
I guess, as Cherub already said, that there is no AB/DL that is the way it is simply coz of some hypnosis.
If you mean, that ABs are switching to a mental state from a child due to some trauma in their past... well that could be.
But (a big but), that may just be some, we have no statistics, so it could be from 5- up to 50%. I guess a rather small amount.

Psychological considered are all AB/DL, Sissys and Little Girls/Boys regressing into that mental state, because they simply have that little being inside them (a Freudian would call it "id" ;) ) or are playing it.
Anyway taken this into perspective for a regression on itself because of something that happened in the past, yes ofc this can happen.
From the pure definition it would be Infantilism. Learned helplessness as a defense mechanism. (correct me if i'm wrong, that's not really my special field)

As a different example, there is also a small minority from abused girls, which tend to wear diapers as a kind of protection.
 

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As far as my understanding about this sort of "hypnosis" (rather a form of relaxation / hypno-therapy) goes, it's intention is actually not to "regress" anyone into a child-like state, but to help remembering stuff from back then, by familiarization, easing of built-up "walls". by suggestions.
And therein lies the "danger" people who are receptive to that form of suggestion will often mix / re-interpret partial memories with a mix of assumed-memories and influenced-"fake"-memories "implanted" by the hypno-therapist.
So at least when I used to take psychology classes and that type of hypnosis/hypno-therapy was discussed to some extend it was labeled as being heavily criticized for yielding wrong "results", inconclusive results, often leaving a patient a lot more in the dark than before, as there's a lot of additional doubt/stress to deal with coming from that kind of often "manipulated" memories.

But to your question, about *this* being the source of ABism? No.
 

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Given that the number of ABs who had hypnosis before realising they were AB it would seem obvious that it couldn't possibly be the cause of being an AB for most ABs. Considering the number of ABs who have had hypnosis in any form is more than enough to discredit this idea, it would reveal that very few here have had any form of hypnosis let alone age regression hypnosis.
 

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As far as my understanding about this sort of "hypnosis" (rather a form of relaxation / hypno-therapy) goes, it's intention is actually not to "regress" anyone into a child-like state, but to help remembering stuff from back then, by familiarization, easing of built-up "walls". by suggestions.
And therein lies the "danger" people who are receptive to that form of suggestion will often mix / re-interpret partial memories with a mix of assumed-memories and influenced-"fake"-memories "implanted" by the hypno-therapist.
So at least when I used to take psychology classes and that type of hypnosis/hypno-therapy was discussed to some extend it was labeled as being heavily criticized for yielding wrong "results", inconclusive results, often leaving a patient a lot more in the dark than before, as there's a lot of additional doubt/stress to deal with coming from that kind of often "manipulated" memories.

But to your question, about *this* being the source of ABism? No.

How a "fetish" (I know... this doesn't strictly apply to all ABs) or any sort of "Alternate ID" (No, it's not a multiple identity thing - that kind of stuff on it's own has been highly debated) is "initiated" in most cases, is VERY hard to pint-point and highly individual.
From varying trigger moments to what some would call a natural predisposition to specific experiences (traumatic or not), ... there's so many theories and ideas about how such stuff gets started out there and whilst there certainly are *some* "text-book"-cases out there amongst the DL/AB/Fetish/Alternative-Lifestyle/whatever crowd, I don't think that there's any general-answer to the "why".

Without going out on a limb, I can apply self-reflection on my own DLism quite easily:
I grew up being incontinent, bedwetting etc... I never was "neglected" or mistreated or abused in any way. School was hell, at least at first, but again, not to the point where I couldn't deal with it.... But whilst whishing nothing more than to be rid of the damn IC, of the bedwetting, of the need for diapers, none the less, during my early puberty I started to get sexually attracted / attached to diapers. to the "security" they provide, to the "comfort".
Now certainly this has A LOT to do with experiencing my first orgasm / masturbation / experimentation in that regard whilst being IN DIAPERS... so I have certainly formed some sort of "memory" by getting psycho-emotional gratification from the diaper.
It certainly also "helped" (if involuntarily) to take away a lot of the "hate" from the object - an object I was kind of aware not be be able to get rid of easily...
I guess it's one part of a "coping strategy" my subconscious mind has developed.
However if you could apply strict "logic" to this, than EVERY bedwetter/IC out there who had to deal with diapers during his puberty would have to feel the same about the diapers... and that most certainly isn't true I guess (although that would be interesting ;) ).
So that implies, that naturally there must have been other factors in the mix for making me not just a bedwetter & Incontinent, but someone who also became rather fond of the diapers - desiring the very object I tried/wanted so hard to be rid from. This on it's own caused a lot of controversial feelings.

Arguably there's a few theories that stuff like a fetish gets "imprinted" / "ingrained" quite early on in your life (far earlier than puberty,..)... so that would mean, that maybe my "predisposition" towards getting sexually attracted to diapers didn't start with puberty, but was there in a subconscious layer for far longer than that... and then it got "triggered"...

I guess we will not know with certainty how that goes....
And my own case is just to say, it's VERY different from what someone else maybe has "turned" into an AB.
 
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i have never been hypnotized and i have in touch with my AB/DL side for as long as i can remember. You see my AB/DL side was born not because of hypnosis but due to me being in the psych ward throughout my childhood and teen years because they could not diagnose me properly and threw around diagnosising me until i was 18 when they finally got the diagnosis right when i told them i did research and found out the diagnosis infantilism, so I never really had a normal childhood and mom did not want to deal with me being who i was at that time.
 

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Um... aren't you all taking this a bit literally...?

I thought the OP was sort-of saying that, with a little hypnosis, everyone can discover their "inner child"... and was maybe(?) asking if that deep "lowered defence" state of mind that everyone seems to have is the source of AB/DL-ism-ology-isation... In which case I'd probably agree...
 

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Jes, just heard about in class and thought to bring up. Sorry to offend.

Thanks for thoughts though :)
 

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Lol we talked about this in my psych class last sem. It was fun. I had a awesome instructor that a got a actuall therapist to do a hypnosis session for the whole class. It wasn't mandatory, you could leave but u could stay and write a paper on your experience for extra credit
 

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Jes, just heard about in class and thought to bring up. Sorry to offend.

Thanks for thoughts though :)

You didn't offend anyone, and you made an interesting thread. Though for whatever reason we like diapers, it probably has deep roots grounded either in our childhood, or some anomaly in the way our brain works. But it would be fun to have a very good friend who knew how to hypnotize, someone we could tell are greatest secret to, and have have them hypnotize us to believe we were two years old. I suppose we would have to have a caretaker to watch over us in that mental state, and then we would have to be released, though I would think it would eventually wear off. Wouldn't it make for an interesting weekend.
 

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A very interesting point. I remember studying that in My Psych class as well. But my professor did say that it is rarely used due to the in accuracy of memories that they get from the subject and so on.
What is kinda funny, is that, I really discover my AB/DL side a couple years ago all though there are hints of it all through my life. I started really let myself explore it. And meanwhile my oldest sister was in counseling and her therapist was having my sister get in touch with her inner child. When we saw each other we had a good chance to really talk about the whole situation and I learned a lot about myself then and also found out that my sister was in a small way knowing what I was going through.
 

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A very interesting point. I remember studying that in My Psych class as well. But my professor did say that it is rarely used due to the in accuracy of memories that they get from the subject and so on.
What is kinda funny, is that, I really discover my AB/DL side a couple years ago all though there are hints of it all through my life. I started really let myself explore it. And meanwhile my oldest sister was in counseling and her therapist was having my sister get in touch with her inner child. When we saw each other we had a good chance to really talk about the whole situation and I learned a lot about myself then and also found out that my sister was in a small way knowing what I was going through.
 

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I am currently taking a psychology class and my professor hypnotized a group of people in front of a pretty large lecture hall during one class. He actually brought everyone down then told them to regress to a child like state of 6 years old. I was amazed, and kind of dissapointed that I didnt join in. It was pretty funny for everyone else in the class who got to watch the professor interview someone his TA spotted as highly succeptable taking in the hypnosis suggestion. The professor interviewed him and everyone really got a kick out of how this freshman college student was transformed into a 6 year old boy, he was talking about riding a bike and first time experiences with girls... I think the he was playing along more than he was really under.

The professor did a few other cool things to everyone who he brought under hypnosis like giving them great confidence for the rest of the day. I like to think that really worked for everyone, the whole group continued on to have a wonderful day. the Professor also told the group to jump up at the clap of his hands, later after he brought everyone out and they took there seats in the auditorium he clapped his hand and this poor boy pretty close to the front jumps out of his chair and there was uproarious laughter. It was hilarious but I also feel bad for his embarrassment.

I would have liked to gotten hypnotized that day and im not sure why I didnt go down there, If I did I probably would have taken to the child state suggestion quite well. Then again in front of a decent audience like that I dont know how comfortable I would have been, lowering my susceptibility at the time.

Do you think you would take well to the suggestion of regressing to childhood in front of a lecture hall half full of college students?
 

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From my own experience with hypnosis, I doubt it has anything to do directly with ABs. It could be argued that it does indirectly because hypnosis is more pervasive than people think. We hypnotize ourselves all the time. I tend to think that it is more a positive association that is developped (like a phobia is a negative association). That however is just an idea and hasn't been tested.
To react on a few ideas mentionned in previous posts, regression is used therapeutically but it is not a full blown regression because what is useful in the process is for the subject to re-evaluate a memory with his current knowledge and ability. A complete regression would have him return to the mindset he had when the event occured and would only make things worse.
All memories are re-membered (reconstructed). Everytime you recall something, you are actually recreating it. That's why most memories change over time. In that respect, the content of memories has to be handled with caution. Especially under hypnosis where the subject is suggestible, there is a risk to alter them by accident. That doesn't remove anything to the therapeutic value of regression but the content cannot be relied on as facts.
Finally regarding the stage question, the context is such that most people don't feel self concious because it is ok to look silly when you're on stage and given suggestions. It doesn't mean people are 'acting', they just don't have the same level of inhibition they would have normally which makes accepting the suggestions easier.
 
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