@people who use random Japanese (to the internet in general)

[Mink]

I hate all of you, seriously.

Why use a Japanese word, and then write the translation right fucking next to it? If you know the language, that's fine, but then actually write a sentence in Japanese.

How does using the Japanese word bolster your point at all? Do you think you're cool or different because you can use some 日本語 mid sentence? (This is on purpose, as a joke, so help me if someone points that out...)

You're not Japanese, you're never going to go to Japan and be accepted because you know a handful of phrases, just stop doing it.

I take a Japanese class at my school, I have to deal with fuckwits who address each other with -chan and -kun already, and actually have to hear them mispronounce Japanese words mid-sentence, during an ENGLISH sentence.

I'm writing this at 5:30 A.M. and will probably regret this in the morning...er, afternoon.

 

[Spirit]

I can tolerate it more than txt speak or 1337 sp33k but it's still stupid. Makes me kind of reluctant to learn the Language because then people will think that I've fallen into the jap/chink emo-thing group. I would actually like to visit the place sometime.

 

[EmeraldsAndLime]

Summary of people who do what OP is talking about:

fuckwits

 

[Spirit]

Summary of people who do what OP is talking about:

Unlike these fuckwits, I intend to actually learn the language.. not read YuGiOh cards and use Google Translate. I'd love to become fluent and expose these idiots' stupidity by telling them what they're actually saying.

 

[Charlie]

I'm not a fan of redundancy in general.

 

[mm3]

I think this ties in well with the whole "zomg narutoooo yaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh" anime craze that's been going on the past few years. If you all don't know by my constant IRC rants about it every now and again, know that I absolutely hate all things anime/manga/bs. And I'll also say that if you like it, all the power to you, just 1.) don't hate me for not liking it, because I don't hate you for doing so, and 2.) for the love of God do NOT try the "just watch it, you'll like it" act because that won't fly either .

Apparently it's cool these days to look at a bunch of poorly-drawn low-frame cartoons with random plots in them, running around with wood on their feet and fighting crime with nosehairs, whilst at the same time yelling at the top of their lungs screaming some unknown word/phrase for 30 seconds straight. Then the day after, going to school and talking to each other like the characters in the cartoon. "OH hai steve-son ohhhhh!"

Thar I said it.


... I'm so done with fads. So much for teenage years.

 

[Fire_lupine06]

Generalize much?

 

[mizzycub]

Dobrý den (Good day for those of you who lacked the foresight to learn Czech)

I am writing to you today to discuss the topic of randomly inserting words in different Sprachen (languages, just in case you don’t speak German), in especial the case of 日本語 (that’s Japanese if you can’t read it) and the fan boy relationship some people seem to have with the language.

As far as I can tell, it holds a number of propósitos (purposes, learn Spanish dammit). For one thing, it indicates to different people of the same group that they are from the same group. The fact they siriad (speak in gallois (which is Welsh in French)) random Japanese words indicates to each other “OMG, we have same interests, let’s fuck”.

It is also used to make people feel piccolo (Italian for klein, petit, small and so on) by saying “Ooh look at what I knowz! U don’t know it? U iz da fucktard”. It is people showing off, and in effect actually showing how little they уметь (know, like how you should know Russian). Japanese is used because it is the cool culture du jour (yes, you can actually say that one in English) for emos, geeks and other misfits.

It is normal for Sprachen (I’ve already used that one, haven’t I?) to pick up words and phrases from over languages c.f du jour. However, randomly inserting sanat (Finnish is a really interesting language, don’t you know) just to pretend you can speak a language isn’t that. And it isn’t really learning a language so that you can używasz (use, see Polish) it. You don’t look big, or clever, you just look like an idiot. You are pretending to be part of a culture you are not, and using words from a language you don’t really know – when the mode of communication for everyone else you are trying to talk too is English.

If trying to talk in English, why not use … English!

--- luier taalkundige (diaper linguist … or at least something like that … my dutch dictionary isn’t that good)



Talking in English - it is natural for langauges to develop and change. It is natural for them to have redundency. Languages are fluid, they constantly change, they lose words and gain new ones. But the point of language is to communicate. By putting in random words from a different language that most people won't understand without translation, you are not facilitating communication. That isn't how words get borrowed from different languages. And until recently, it isn't how people got information across.

Whatever your purpose for doing it, it probably won't work. It doesn't make it look like you come from that culture. It doesn't make you look intelligent. It doesn't even make you look like you know the language. To be honest, it makes you look like you are full of yourself, pretending to be something you aren't ... and most people probably think you are just using a dictionary.

Why not, instead of doing this, put some real effort in, go to an evening class, and actually learn Japanese. That would actually be impressive. :thumbsup:

 

[Spiro910]

Generalize much?

I don't see generalization in the thread. The thread starter referred to a group people that all act the same, which is totally true... Why would a person who knows a whole language or doesn't just want to show-off his/her non-existent skills use a word mid-sentence that doesn't pertain to the language being used in the sentence.

 

[Fire2box]

moarある人々は叫ぶ。

No offense meant really, but I do view this topic as rather pointless (and no that's not what I said at all.) Also it seems that babblefish can't correctly translate. so.... it was "Cry Some Moar."



In any case this is just like guitar players crying over Guitar Hero players.

 

[Mink]

Generalize much?

Given I'm a fan of anime, this is not generalization, I know people online and in real life who will speak random Japanese, and actually talk all the time about going to Japan.

The whole going to Japan thing is fine, until you realize they want to go there to be manga artists (as is the case of a few people at my school), or something other.

Example, there is a girl in my first period, first year in Japanese class, she has like an F in that class. One day I was just talking to her on my way t class because ours are in the same direction, and she sees her friend, she screams "KONNICHIWA!" loudly, this is in the morning mind you, and then begins talking in English with Japanese phrases tacked in there.

This is not an isolated case either, I've met so many people who actually think that talking in Japanese makes them seem worldly, and cultured...and it's usually on the topic of anime.

These kind of people are the reasons why I keep my like for anime and such outside of the internet low key, because I don't like getting dropped into the same bucket as them...same goes for the whole furry thing, they're all furries...and they make me look bad.

 

[Fire2box]

and the point of complaining about all of this? survey says!!!! (boredom!)

Really, no one is going to bend over ass backwards for you just since you don't like this or that.


Oh and welcome to the club of alienating yourself, have fun here.

 

[Mink]

and the point of complaining about all of this? survey says!!!! (boredom!)

Really, no one is going to bend over ass backwards for you just since you don't like this or that.


Oh and welcome to the club of alienating yourself, have fun here.

To be honest, this thread was the result of not sleeping for 2 days, and a caffeine high at 5 in the morning.

 

[Fire_lupine06]

was refering to mm3

 

[Mink]

was refering to mm3

Too bad it's true that the anime community in general is filled with idiots.

 

[Error404]

I like insulting people in Latin, does that count? I use it more as a social engineering tool than I do a fad or trend. Latin is a dieing (If not dead) language.

 

[Peachy]

Unlike these fuckwits, I intend to actually learn the language.. not read YuGiOh cards and use Google Translate. I'd love to become fluent and expose these idiots' stupidity by telling them what they're actually saying.

That happens to the best of us. Even John F. Kennedy proudly proclaimed, while addressing the population in Berlin, "I am a jelly-filled doughnut". So it's good to actually know what you're saying!

Peachy

 

[dogboy]

It seems ironic that American students want to speak Japanese when English is becoming the business language of the world, and students in other non English speaking countries are learning English. I'm always impressed that so many people in non English speaking countries speak English so well. I would have to struggle to learn their language. They certainly have my respect.

 

[Charlie]

Example, there is a girl in my first period, first year in Japanese class, she has like an F in that class. One day I was just talking to her on my way t class because ours are in the same direction, and she sees her friend, she screams "KONNICHIWA!" loudly, this is in the morning mind you, and then begins talking in English with Japanese phrases tacked in there.

Actually, I'm guilty of this.

I randomly throw random Spanish words in sentences, and I often greet people with "hola!".

I enjoy stealing words. It makes things more fun.

 

[Mitsukuni]

I used to do that...until I realized I was being a total douche. Now I think back and laugh at myself. Hard.
People who do that are really annoying, and should gtfo the internets, and back to their mom's basement.