My Mother's Guns

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Anyone here know anything about guns? Specifically, 12 gauge shotguns, older guns (at least 40 years old), and guns used by the Armed Forces?

Basically, no one knows exactly where they came from. The only two people who could know are my mother and my father, but she lies like a rug and he's dead. My father's story was that these were his guns in the war (he at one point told me he fought in World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War), but my father was known to lie or inflate stories. He really never saw a day of battle, and he was a training officer at Okinawa. (He also did enough shit before and during his time to earn him an other than honorable discharge, and his uniform and dog tags are mysteriously missing; I wouldn't be surprised if he was stripped.) According to some stories from my parents, the guns were deactivated. According to other stories, they were still active and ready to be used on any of my friends who stood up to my mother. Well, I finally got tired of hearing the tongue-in-cheek threats involving my friends and those shotguns, so I got the chance and removed them from her room. They were buried in there, so it will take her a long time to notice, if she ever does.

My intentions are to destroy the guns, or at least remove them from the house. As a child, I initially wanted to put them in a case along with some other Marine memorabilia, but upon realizing that 99% of my father's military stories were fake, I decided it wasn't worth it. (Today I despise my father, not only for this, but for many other reasons, so a memorial to him wouldn't be welcome in my house.) Being that I have no clue how these guns work, my question is basically, how can I see if they're active, how can I unload them without firing them accidently (I've never even held a gun until today), and how I can get rid of them. They are probably worth some money, but I just want to get them out of the house so my mother can't use them when she gets pissed at someone. I put a picture of the two guns at the bottom. The top one looks to be some sort of a weird toy or maybe a different kind of gun, since the opening at the end of the barrel is thinner than a CD case. The bottom gun is definitely a real gun, and I'm sure that one of the 29 bullets that were next to these guns could easily fit in the bottom one. Any info would be great, as well as answers to my questions up above. Thanks!Guns.jpg
 

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Well, the top one looks like it could either be a firearm or not be, the bottom one definitely looks like a high caliber firearm
 

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I'm not entirely sure; it's hard to tell just by looking. Are there any engravings on the barrels; numbers, specifications, stuff like that? Serial number would be great.

Just eyeballing it though, I'd say the top one is a .22 (The kind of gun you might hunt a squirrel with) and the bottom one is a 30-06 (Thirty-Aught-Six). The kind of gun you'd take down a grizzly bear with. They're hunting rifles primarily; not military rifles. Although if they were antique military rifles, they might've been used in the wars, but I kind of doubt it. Military rifles have been commonly built in the assault rifle fashion ever since the forties; like an AR-15 or an M4 Carbine.

I'd suggest calling the local number of your police station and asking if you can bring in the rifles for an opinion from an expert. If you're not comfortable with the police, then going to your local sportsmans warehouse or other hunting-shooting store will probably prove fruitful in your search for answers.

Hope this helps. And sorry if I was dead wrong lol.
 

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Hmmm, neither of my parents were hunters, nor were any members of my family, to my knowledge anyway. My father's time in the service was 1957-1963, so even if he was a training officer, he probably would've trained with an assault rifle. There's 12 gauge bullets, which only fit in the bottom gun, but the pictures of ammo associated with that one looks more like sniper's bullets or piercing bullets. After looking at some pics, the 30-06 is definitely the bottom gun. The wood is kind of chewed up, and it definitely looks used. The .22 may be the top gun, but it looks almost identical to a toy gun at my grandparents' house. (That one's definitely a toy, this one I'm not so sure.) Both guns have solid wood over more than half of them, but it's aged. I have no clue when they stopped making guns like this, but as long as I've been going to Dick's, they've always been either metal or plastic, but I've never seen a gun with wood on it outside of a museum. Either gun can do damage, but considering that there's no hunters in my family (the only one I know hasn't even met my mother), knowing that we have a gun meant for hunting bears and a bag of ammo to go with it is pretty scary. The police won't help, since I technically stole two guns (which, if they're active, is a federal offence). Please keep the info coming!
 

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I could tell you more info if you could take a good clear shot of any markings on the metal of the guns.

It should have some sort of makers mark, the size or even just a logo.

It'd look something like this: IDF-762-Mauser-Rifle-20170818_092609-864x486.jpg (NOT EXACTLY LIKE THIS. I doubt you have a Mauser there. XD)

Also, if it is a 30-06, don't freak about about the 'bear hunting', it can be used for black bear, but also whitetail deer, elk, and moose. (To name a few.)

They're also really really common. There are so many different companies making them because they're super-popular for hunting. And even if no one in your family was a hunter, your family might have gotten it by completely normal means. XD

And they still make wood-stock guns, they just don't sell them at sporting goods stores. You'd have to go to an actual gun shop to find that kind of gun. The reason for it is just because the polymer/plastic stocks will take a lot of beating when out in the field and make the gun a little lighter to carry around out there while you're looking for whatever animal you want to get.

It's also definitely NOT a home protection gun, your mom is being really stupid about that. :p The odds are pretty good that she doesn't even know how to really handle it and is just blowing smoke. Probably end up shooting a hole in the ceiling before she'd manage to get a bead on a person.

(Why? It's too long and too high-powered...also if you miss with that one bullet...it's hard to aim in a panic. A short shotgun is better by far...it doesn't require as much aiming in a panicked situation. IE: Murder-man is actively trying to shank you with an ice pick and you have only a few seconds before he gets to you from across the room.)

Also: Please calm down about having them around you...they won't go off on their own. I've lived my whole life with firearms around and not once has one misfired.

From your bottom picture it looks like the chamber is open, which, if there isn't anything inside, means it's actually not even loaded.
 

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I agree you shouldn't freak out starlight, just don't put your hands near the trigger and they wont just fire (unless the bottom one happens to be an old Remington 700 that never got the faulty trigger fixed, but that pretty unlikely)

Chances are there is a makers name and model number and serial number on it somewhere on the barrel, also agreed about taking them to someone that knows more about guns and knows how to handle them (such as at a sports shop).

As for the round, if it is indeed a 30-06, that is a multi-purpose round and can be used for hunting a lot of different things depending on the type of cartridges used (if you are going bear hunting you will use a far different cartridge than what you would use on small game)
 

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Indeed haha; don't freak out because it might be a 30-06. I only associate it with going for Grizzly's because I grew up in Alaska and had to deal with bears on a regular basis, and the 30-06 was my best chance at making a shot count. Alaskan Grizzly's can be really hard to kill lol. Especially with just a .22; I kept it right next to the 30-06, right next to the shot gun. I kept a handgun in my nightstand and various other drawers around the house. Our log home was pretty much part fortress part arsenal because we lived over two hundred miles away from the nearest police station in the middle of the woods lol. We were the law in those parts hahaha. XD

But yup. AR-15. 30-06. Shotgun. .22 rifle. 1911 Handgun. Everybody should have those guns available in their families in my opinion. Shotguns, particularly buck shot, is best used for either home defense, or bird hunting. I usually used my pistol for home defense though because it's easier for me to guard my pistol than a rifle. Shotguns are good though for when you don't want to have to worry too much about aiming; creates a spray of shrapnel basically, which is why they're so good for bird hunting.

Have you ever tried to shoot a moving flying bird with a handgun or a .22? .....It's hard. It's really really really really hard lmao. MUCH easier with buck shot. XD
 

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I'm certainly hoping they aren't loaded. The bottom gun has something I mistook for a bullet in there, but it looks more like part of the gun than it does a bullet. I don't think the bottom one is the Remington 700, which definitely works out for the better.
 

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It looks like the 30 : 6 doesn't have a clip in so it should be safe. If I were you, I'd take them to a gun store. If you don't want them around, you could sell them, but I don't think they would have much value, given their condition.
 

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Well, old guns can be worth a lot if it is some rare/desirable (discontinued) model, you never really know, some models of guns have not changed too much in decades.

At the very least I would go to a gun store and see what kind of money they are worth as they could be worth more than you think, and just because you don't like guns doesn't mean nobody else should be able to enjoy them (if they are functioning guns somebody could use them for something).

And original Remington 700s are actually basically collector guns, I've seen a few at Walmart before for about $800 per gun (which is way more than the currently made Remington hunting gun goes for).

I only mentioned that specific model because that is the only gun I have ever heard of that would fire when people BARELY touched the gun, they didn't even have to come close to touching the trigger; needless to say Remington didn't issue a recall and fix the guns with the faulty trigger until AFTER people had died.

Just saying most guns dont go off so easily to need to be that wary about handling them, just be careful is all (dont look down the business end of the barrel, etc)
 

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I have doubts that these are high dollar guns.

I can't confirm unless I see more information...but it has to be a seriously rare or historic gun to command high values.

And with rare guns...condition still matters unless it is literally one of only a handful in existence.

Also Walmart is hardly the pricing clearinghouse for guns. :lol:
 

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I have doubts that these are high dollar guns.

I can't confirm unless I see more information...but it has to be a seriously rare or historic gun to command high values.

And with rare guns...condition still matters unless it is literally one of only a handful in existence.

Also Walmart is hardly the pricing clearinghouse for guns. :lol:
I'm just saying if you don't deal in a specific kind of item on a daily basis you could be looking at something rare and expensive and not realize it and pictures that barely even show what is in the picture (let alone pertinent details like manufacturer, model number, serial number, etc) also it may not be worth thousands, but could still be worth a few hundred, which is better than just having the guns destroyed.
 

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Google the names/model numbers on the guns. Also, it will probably come up anyway, there are online gun stores who sell similar guns and you can get an estimate as to what they're worth. Finally, if you want to sell them, try calling local gun dealers. When my dad passed, I wondered about his shotgun. It turns out that his particular model wasn't worth much but the exact same one the year before was worth something because - get this - it had a faulty action. All I would have had to do was send the bolt in and I would have had some money ($500). It was from some consumer lawsuit.
 

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You say the one is a 12gage? Then neither is a service related weapon. The BOTTOM one LOOKS to be a bolt action. The US government uses 12gage PUMP action shotguns not bolt actions (Trust me on that one. We lugged a 12gage around for 12years in our squad car as MPs.) The top gun LOOKS to have a barrel to small for a 12gage either a 22... Or a 223 maybe? But the stock is wood. So no. That's not a government weapon either.
Someone up top suggested taking them to your local cop shop for a once over? I wouldn't.
Take them to your local gun shop. One look and the man at the counter can tell you a lot more than I can just based on a photo.

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OMG this photo is SO fuzzy. I THINK I see a loading port on the stock of that top one? If so you have a .22lr semiautomatic. Worth between $75 and 120 depending on the condition.

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These are both hunting guns. And your dad was pulling your leg, if he told you they were GI issued
 
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Better pictures would really be helpful, especially with serial or manufacturer info. At first blush the top looks like a Marlin 80.

Bottom one is definitely a bolt action shotgun. Dunno make or model, need a better picture for that.
 

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Just be aware that by taking them out of the house, you can be charged with stealing them. They are not legally yours. Depending on what city or state you live in, could be in a load of trouble just by transporting them. If you know someone who knows guns and you trust, ask them.
 

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Nether is military.

Any gun shop can appraise them. and by that i mean a regular gun store not a walmart or Big 5 sporting good store.
 

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What I would do to render them un-usable is just get rid of the ammo. Sure, she could replace it, but she'll probably not even notice that it's GONE.

Then she's basically waving a stick at you and your friends. :p And getting rid of ammo is NOT as big a crime as actually removing the guns from the house. If OP knew more about weaponry then I would advise just removing the firing pins and stashing them somewhere. Renders the entire gun inert.
 

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It took a while, but I figured out what the guns were. The one is a Winchester .22 caliber rifle, and the other is a Sears and Roebuck J.C. Higgins 12 gauge shotgun. Both are active (a friend helped me test them), but neither one was loaded, and the age of the ammo makes that a moot point anyway. The ammo is for the 12 gauge, and there's no ammo for the .22 caliber one. At this point, the ammo is in one corner of my room and the two guns are in the other corner. The 12 gauge has a safety switch, which I used to lock the gun, but that can easily be turned off. Despite the fact that the ammo is unsafe and possibly unstable due to the age, the guns are pretty much oversized paper weights now that I have them. All I can say is that at least their in safe hands now that I have them.
 
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