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Ok, so i am building ,y first custom computer from scratch, not just one that I've upgraded.

Mobo (got for free with process.): ???????????????????????????????????
Processor (got free with mobo): Intel pent 4, 3.6gHz single core i believe.
Case & Psu: Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more!
OS: Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32-bit for System Builders - Operating Systems
Hdd: Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives
Ram: Newegg.com - PNY Optima 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model MD4096KD2-667 - Desktop Memory
Graphics: Still debating on which one is best for under 60, needs to be 512mb or better and pci express 16x.
Dvd burners x2: Newegg.com - HP Black 22X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM SATA 22X Multiformal DVD Writer - CD / DVD Burners
Lightscribe: http://img.hexus.net/v2/lifestyle/pressreleases/hp/hp_dvd840i.jpg
Card reader: Newegg.com - SUPER TALENT INTAIN1MCR All-in-one Card Reader - Card Readers
Monitor: Newegg.com - Hanns·G HW-191DPB Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 700:1 Built in Speakers - LCD Monitors
Keyboard: Newegg.com - Microsoft BX1-00005 Silver/Black 105 Normal Keys 22 + 1 Zoom Slider Function Keys USB or PS/2 Wired Standard Digital Media Pro Keyboard - Keyboards
Mouse: http://content.etilize.com/Large/10520916.jpg

I already had the mouse and the light scribe, so that saves me a couple of bucks. Can any one find these parts, or better ones for cheaper, anywhere else? Hopefully, a cluster of them on one site, so i save on shipping.
 

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Just to recap of what I changed here are all the links to the parts. MM3 knows a bit more about the mobo and cpu combo so wait for him to talk about those.

CPU - Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops
MOBO - Newegg.com - ASUS P5Q SE/R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Intel Motherboards
RAM - Newegg.com - G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPQ - Desktop Memory
GFX - Newegg.com - ASUS EN9600GSO/DI/512M GeForce 9600 GSO 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards
PSU - Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX 520W ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Power Supplies
CD/DVD Burner - Newegg.com - LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 22X DVD-R 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner - CD / DVD Burners
CASE - Newegg.com - Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Computer Cases
HDD - Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives
OS - Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit for System Builders - Operating Systems

Total Cost (w/shipping): $850.48

I thought you knew about computers o_O I thought I remember reading something about you were good with them and all. I hate to say it but the parts you had listed were absolute crap, no offense.

I'm in the middle of work, but hopefully mm3 sees this thread as well.

Here's the explanations below.

Ok, so i am building ,y first custom computer from scratch, not just one that I've upgraded.

Mobo (got for free with process.): ???????????????????????????????????
Processor (got free with mobo): Intel pent 4, 3.6gHz single core i believe.


Know nothing about these, they sound old to me. Get a cheap E8400, mm3 and myself have them and they OC very well.

The C2D E8400 is the best bang for your money, ask mm3 or myself. They OC very well as well. I think mm3 has his at around 4.1ghz and mines at like 4.1ghz as well, need to recheck lols.

Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops

As for the motherboard, here's the one I use that's got the onboard RAID just in case you wanna RAID those WD Black drives: Newegg.com - ASUS P5Q SE/R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Intel Motherboards

Case & Psu: Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more!


NEVER EVER EVER get a combined psu and case deal. Horrible quality psu with them. Here's a great case that I have and it's cheap. Antec 300.

Newegg.com - Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Computer Cases - Antec 300

As for the PSU - Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX 520W ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Power Supplies (same one i got, awesome)

OS: Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 32-bit for System Builders - Operating Systems

NO NO NO! Home Premium is a waste, and you're getting 4gb of RAM, so it won't even see all of it. Here's Vista Ultimate x64 - Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit for System Builders - Operating Systems - only $180 and a much better deal. Don't worry, all issues are solved with 64 bit.


Hdd: Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives

I would go with this one below. It's one of the fastest 7200rpm hard drives out there and it's really good. Check out some benchmarks for it over at Overclock.net

Also, 8mb cache SUCKS get with the times.

Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives


Ram: Newegg.com - PNY Optima 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model MD4096KD2-667 - Desktop Memory


Newegg.com - G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPQ - Desktop Memory - Much better RAM and DDR2 800. 667 is dying out and is slow. I also have this same RAM. Except two sets of them for 8gb of it.


Graphics: Still debating on which one is best for under 60, needs to be 512mb or better and pci express 16x.

Newegg.com - ASUS EN9600GSO/DI/512M GeForce 9600 GSO 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards - $69, but still good. I'm not that good with low end graphics cards. Get a GTX260 like me, it's only $165 XD.

Dvd burners x2: Newegg.com - HP Black 22X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM SATA 22X Multiformal DVD Writer - CD / DVD Burners
Lightscribe: http://img.hexus.net/v2/lifestyle/pressreleases/hp/hp_dvd840i.jpg


First of all, you don't buy lightscribe as a hardware, it's just technology for the drive. So learn your technology lol.

And second, I suggest this one: Newegg.com - LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 22X DVD-R 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner - CD / DVD Burners


Card reader: Newegg.com - SUPER TALENT INTAIN1MCR All-in-one Card Reader - Card Readers

No idea on this, looks good to me.


Monitor: Newegg.com - Hanns·G HW-191DPB Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 700:1 Built in Speakers - LCD Monitors

Good brand, kinda small for me though lols.

Keyboard: Newegg.com - Microsoft BX1-00005 Silver/Black 105 Normal Keys 22 + 1 Zoom Slider Function Keys USB or PS/2 Wired Standard Digital Media Pro Keyboard - Keyboards

Seems ok to me.

Mouse: http://content.etilize.com/Large/10520916.jpg

Seems ok to me.
 

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9600 Graphics are slooowww, what are you going to do with it? I'd recommend an ATi Radeon 4850 at least, which is enough for current games and very cheap as well.

The other parts Bryce suggested seem to be a good choice, except maybe the mainboard. I'd go for a P43 chipset here, like Gigabyte DS3L. Just as fast, cheaper and without unneeded features.
(especially onboard fake RAID is nothing you really want to use...)
I dont know exactly how they compare when it comes to OCing though.
 

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I've got the exact same board w/o the RAID and it's awesome for OCing.

The graphics card, he said under $60 so that's the best I could find. I should of put the GTX260 or something in there since the price has dropped a lot since I bought it.
 

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You don't need Vista Ultimate, there is very little difference, and I am presuming you wouldn't use any of the extra app's. Just go for 64 bit Premium.
 

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Just to recap of what I changed here are all the links to the parts. MM3 knows a bit more about the mobo and cpu combo so wait for him to talk about those.

It's like it's expected of me to reply to these posts? :D


<3 Oh my God, best chip in the world. (/fanboy) This thing got me 4.6GHz @ 1.32v for 5 hours with OTHROS. Despite that though, the most stable I've gotten was 4.05GHz @ 1800MHz FSB @ 1.24v which was rock solid -- but at the moment I'm at 3.38GHz @ 1500MHz FSB @ 1.07v so that I can work on a configuration for undervolting my FSB.

Ehh, I prefer the nVidia chipsets but that's because I'm a gamer and a bit of a fanboy. The P45/P35 are still great though, and they overclock very well.

Not so much -- especially with the E8400. Save a few bucks and get 800MHz instead -- because you'll never reach the capacity of 1066MHz RAM. A lot of marketing schemes with RAM happen because newbies (no offense) think that more MHz = more performance. It's not true with RAM, you need to get a ratio going with your FSB on your CPU to get good performance. For example, I have DDR2 800MHz OCZ RAM in my rig running at 750MHz, and 1T 4-4-4-16 timings -- for a 1:1 ratio with my FSB. That setup with my RAM (Remember, RAM is only as fast as your FSB) will give you 5x the performance than some 2T 7-7-7-24 timing RAM at 1066MHz.

tl;dr: Get 800MHz and tweak the timings. That's the right way to do it.

Not a bad chip though, get the 9600GT instead of the GSO though. The GT has slightly better performance (at 1600x1200 gaming you're looking at a nice 100fps on COD4 with the right configuration -- and I don't like ATi cards, so I'm not going to give an opinion on buying one of those). GTX260s are definitely awesome price-wise now (making room for GT300 >_>), they cost about the same as my GTS 250 was back when I bought it. Definitlely a bargain if you want to save up a tad more and pick one up.

Ehh, Corsair. I'd personally go with CoolerMaster or Ultra, but Corsair does make good products and you can always RMA in the worst case scenario.

Good.


You really love this case, don't you? IMO, It's the components that make up the computer, not the case. So get whatever you want here! No opinions on this'ne from me.

Mmm, WD Black <3 <3
Total Cost (w/shipping): $850.48

I thought you knew about computers o_O I thought I remember reading something about you were good with them and all. I hate to say it but the parts you had listed were absolute crap, no offense.
Meh, P4s are definitely 2005-era at most. You probably wouldn't have gotten that much use of that system for too long -- after a year and with the advent of Windows 7 coming along you might want to think about the long haul.

I'm in the middle of work, but hopefully mm3 sees this thread as well.

You just know me too well.



9600 Graphics are slooowww, what are you going to do with it? I'd recommend an ATi Radeon 4850 at least, which is enough for current games and very cheap as well.

The other parts Bryce suggested seem to be a good choice, except maybe the mainboard. I'd go for a P43 chipset here, like Gigabyte DS3L. Just as fast, cheaper and without unneeded features.
(especially onboard fake RAID is nothing you really want to use...)
I dont know exactly how they compare when it comes to OCing though.

9600GSO are indeed on the sluggish side, but the 9600GT is definitely a competitor.


You don't need Vista Ultimate, there is very little difference, and I am presuming you wouldn't use any of the extra app's. Just go for 64 bit Premium.

Yar har fiddle dee dee, being a pirate is alright to be.... <3
 

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You really love this case, don't you? IMO, It's the components that make up the computer, not the case. So get whatever you want here! No opinions on this'ne from me.
Whoo, score - finally someone who agrees, I could have gotten an utterly sexual case for another 50 or so quid, but I spent it on a better processor and graphics card.



Yar har fiddle dee dee, being a pirate is alright to be.... <3
Yes well if you mininova'd it then fine. But every Ultimate OS I've downloaded has been buggy.
 

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IMO, it's a waste to get Home Pre. Get Ultimate, it's only a few bucks more. I'm on it now and there's no bugs what so ever. Even SP2 is rock solid at least for me.

@mm3: Corsair PSUs are just awesome, modular and the Antec 300 is win. Just drill some holes in the mobo tray and route your cables under it and you're good to go. And for the mobo and ram, I <3 those. That mobo is a step up from mine, will just has the raid on it lols and I'm a G.SKILL fanboy and I love my ram. As for the gfx card, couldn't find another one in his price range.

@ajsco: Have you tried Windows 7 Ultimate RC then? Do you think that's buggy? It's not. It's a hell of a lot more stable than Vista Ultimate, but to me it's about the same now that SP2 is out. To each their own though I guess.

And to mm3, it's the case and components that make up the computer. I'm just being lazy right now and have my antec 300 sitting alone, sorry case, I'll get use out of you soon :(
 

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Just to recap of what I changed here are all the links to the parts. MM3 knows a bit more about the mobo and cpu combo so wait for him to talk about those.

CPU - Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops
MOBO - Newegg.com - ASUS P5Q SE/R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Intel Motherboards
RAM - Newegg.com - G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPQ - Desktop Memory
GFX - Newegg.com - ASUS EN9600GSO/DI/512M GeForce 9600 GSO 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards
PSU - Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX 520W ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Power Supplies
CD/DVD Burner - Newegg.com - LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 22X DVD-R 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner - CD / DVD Burners
CASE - Newegg.com - Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Computer Cases
HDD - Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives
OS - Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit for System Builders - Operating Systems

Total Cost (w/shipping): $850.48

I thought you knew about computers o_O I thought I remember reading something about you were good with them and all. I hate to say it but the parts you had listed were absolute crap, no offense.

I'm in the middle of work, but hopefully mm3 sees this thread as well.

Here's the explanations below.



I do know a lot about computers, but this is a complete budget build that has to be done before school starts next year. I was hopping under 450 if i could. Mainly because i put all of my cash into my server 3months ago. (it has dual core process. x2 750gb western digital hdd, and a 80gb western digital for os. And 2 dvd readers, internal zip 750 backup and the same case and psu that I'm using in this build.

Also, i will be building a complete top of the line in about 18months, so i will have it for collage.

This computer is not for gaming, its mainly for video editing, and photo editing, and don't say get a mac lol.

The mobo and the processor has never been used by a customer at all, it was in my uncles xps that he bought, then he want out and upgraded it with a board that could support 800mHz ram, and a quad core processor, so i have had it in a box since then, just waiting to use it.

The ram is the absolute best that i can buy for this mobo.

I chose the Hp drives because i really love Hp's quality in drives, and the light scribe is one that I've had for a while, that i would like to continue to use.

The case and psu combo, is the same that i used for my server, and i loved the look, and haven't had any problems with the psu yet, so i decided to go with it again.

I chose the 160gb hdd, because my server is the majority of all of my storage.

That graphics card is nice, and i might just use it.

As for the OS, i didn't really want to put to much cash out on vista, mainly because i don't think its the best, should i just put my rc copy of win7 on there, then buy the win7 full version when it comes out?


Thanks for all of your help.
 

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Macs are the best when it comes to video editing, I've tried both Sony Vegas Pro and Final Cut Pro and I love my mac by far. Even though it's free for me, that's a plus to I still love it and am considering buying one of the dual quad mac pros soonish.
 

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@ajsco: Have you tried Windows 7 Ultimate RC then? Do you think that's buggy? It's not. It's a hell of a lot more stable than Vista Ultimate, but to me it's about the same now that SP2 is out. To each their own though I guess.

No I wasn't saying Ultimate as an OS is buggy, just the torrent ones I've downloaded are.
 

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Oh, I misunderstood you then. I thought you were saying Ultimate as a OS is buggy. Oh, nevermind you get what I'm saying lol.
 

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Oh, I misunderstood you then. I thought you were saying Ultimate as a OS is buggy. Oh, nevermind you get what I'm saying lol.

Should i just use my copy of Win7 RC then just buy the Win7 copy when it comes out, since i should have more ash to spend by then.?
 

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I would do that, but the RC (7100) expires on March 2010 I believe, so you've got time. I think Win7 is set to come out some time in August.
 

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Personally I will never let windows 7 come within the bounds of my cd drive. I've had enough with windows so I am currently trying to migrate to Ubuntu 9.04. It's not going very well since I ran into a weird video card problem that seems never go away. So I wait for 9.10 to come out.
 

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What is all the fuss about Windows 7? I tried the beta and hated it, the graphical layout isn't as nice as Vista, it's been idiotproofed beyond recognition and I just don't get the same 'feel' from it as I do with Vista.
 

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I was the same way ajsco, but after using build 7000 to the rc, I love it. It uses resources 100x better than vista does, doesn't bug you with all the UAC dialogs. I like it, go look over at sevenforums.com. Very knowledgeable people there that will literally write you up a 10 page post on the pros of Win7.

As for the Ubuntu person. 9.10 is out, go download it. But you'll never really be known as a linux person using Ubuntu. It's the windows of the linux world. Go try your hand at Gentoo or Arch. Arch Linux is debian based like Ubuntu and is almost like Gentoo as it compiles to your needs. Just a little simpler than Gentoo.
 

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I was the same way ajsco, but after using build 7000 to the rc, I love it. It uses resources 100x better than vista does, doesn't bug you with all the UAC dialogs. I like it, go look over at sevenforums.com. Very knowledgeable people there that will literally write you up a 10 page post on the pros of Win7.

As for the Ubuntu person. 9.10 is out, go download it. But you'll never really be known as a linux person using Ubuntu. It's the windows of the linux world. Go try your hand at Gentoo or Arch. Arch Linux is debian based like Ubuntu and is almost like Gentoo as it compiles to your needs. Just a little simpler than Gentoo.

My laptop is dual booting both windows xp pro, and ubuntu 8.04, so i do know the ubunto basics. My laptop originally ran vista though.

I do however want to learn more about/try arch linux tho.

Yes i like the Win7 RC, and i think i will just use that, and if i do end up liking it, i will either buy it or vista.
 

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There's a Beginners Guide on the Arch Wiki page. Excellent and answers 1000% of beginners questions. Give it a read or be forced to hear go back to buntu newbi in the arch irc lols.
 
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