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I see "perverted" being thrown around all over the place on this forum. How can one call someone else perverted when they are into things that can be considered the same? I'm probably the only one here that thinks that that's somewhat hypocritical of them to say such things...

"I think Deeker is just SO perverted!" I don't particularly like this guy (at all), but you certainly can't say he's perverted for taking your fetish way too far. You can't call a dude with a foot fetish or a scat fetish "perverted," because they are into different things. I am sure there are so many people who would say, "You wear diapers!? YOU PERVERT!"

What is your oppinion? Is it hypocritical, or does anyone agree with me?
 

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Well the kind of stories Deeker writes and the way he writes them is well creepy and it makes me wonder if he is a pedophile because he puts sexualness in there with little boys and their diapers. I don't assume he is a bad person because not all pedophiles go out and hurt kids. They just leave it in their heads and don't act on it. He could be a nice guy. It's possible he acts on his fantasies by writing them because it's harmless but he doesn't write about adults doing sexually activity with kids but one time he allowed a story on there about sexual abuse where a baby sitter sexually abuses these two little boys by the game of Penis Tag and when I read that story, I didn't want to go back. The only reason why I read it was because someone chewed him out on the old bravenet forum in 2002 and I read the story what the person was yelling at him about to see what it was about. I think that like made things go downhill for him and gave him a bad reputation. He didn't write it but someone did and he allowed it on his site. He allows stories on there people submit to him.


People aren't calling Deeker a pervert for his diapers, they are calling him a pervert for sexual interest with under age boys wearing them. You can tell just by the way he writes in his stories. Makes us all wonder if he is a pedophile and if it all sexually turns him on when he writes that way. He might not be a bad person because just because someone has sick thoughts in their head doesn't mean they are bad people and they act on it. Just as long as they don't hurt a child or don't want to, they are okay.
 
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People aren't calling Deeker a pervert for his diapers, they are calling him a pervert for sexual interest with under age boys wearing them.

But people are still calling him a pervert because he has an interest that is not very popular, like diapers? I'm not saying sexual interests with underage kids is alright (Death penalty debate, anyone?), but I'm saying that calling someone a pervert is so massively hypocritical in that sense. I'm not trying to protect him (Why isn't he in jail yet?), I just used him as an example.
 

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he might not be a pervert as far as I know anyways. But I will say he runs one hell of a freaky site and let's people post sometimes really messed up stories.
 

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But people are still calling him a pervert because he has an interest that is not very popular, like diapers? I'm not saying sexual interests with underage kids is alright (Death penalty debate, anyone?), but I'm saying that calling someone a pervert is so massively hypocritical in that sense. I'm not trying to protect him (Why isn't he in jail yet?), I just used him as an example.


It's not illegal to have sick fantasies. You can't throw someone in jail if they have never acted on something. Child porn, they will get thrown in jail for but if Deeker has never done that, there is no reason for him to be arrested. His stories are fiction and not real kids so that's probably not illegal what he is doing. Someone can draw child porn and keep it and I am sure that's not illegal either. Heck when naked bodies are drawn or painted or sculpted, it's not considered porn, it's considered art and it's even acceptable for children to see that stuff or else they wouldn't be allowed in museums where the exhibits are shown. So I guess porn is real naked people in pictures and real people having sex in the photos.

Anyone who is like Deeker, they would probably be called perverts too.
 
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I don't assume he is a bad person because not all pedophiles go out and hurt kids. They just leave it in their heads and don't act on it. He could be a nice guy. It's possible he acts on his fantasies by writing them because it's harmless but he doesn't write about adults doing sexually activity with kids...

...just because someone has sick thoughts in their head doesn't mean they are bad people and they act on it. Just as long as they don't hurt a child or don't want to, they are okay.

Discussion... over. Who wants tea?
 

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I know perfectly well that being a DL makes me a pervert in the eyes of a lot of people. Calling other people perverts would only be hypocritical if I denied being one myself.

However, and there's always an however, I still reserve the right to call people like Deeker super perverts. "Super" in this case roughly translating to "the worst kind of".
 

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just because some people view me as a pervert doesn't mean i can't think that others are perverts. if one person says your ugly (and trust me, no matter how beautiful you are there is going to be at least one person who looks at you and thinks ew) does that mean you have to never think someone is ugly again?
 
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I think the hypocritical ones would be more the ones that denied being one themselves, yet still call others one :)
 

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I Is it hypocritical, or does anyone agree with me?

yes and no. there's nowt wrong with hypocracy.
and if you wear diapers for reasons other than their designed intent of use, you are perverting that designed intent of use.
and if you attach sexual significance to things which have no sexual purpose or function then you are perverting sex and those particular things in question.

if someone doesn't want to be called a pervert, they should stop being a pervert. simple.
 

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As people we like to call other people names because it either makes us feel superior, or it gives us an outlet to vent our daily frustrations. Name calling accomplishes nothing and it's unfair to the person we are disparaging. I find most of Deeker's stories as boring. As for boys having sex, I did by the time I was 11. It's what males do. I like Deeker's site for the Links which take me to the diaper sales sites. Being a DL, I like to look at pictures of diapers. What can I say! Does this make me a pervert? Hell yes, and who cares. Everyone probably has some sort of perverted thought buried deep in their sub-conscience.
 

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Depends what 'pervert' means.
In a sense, we are all perverts because we have a perversion.

But 'pervert' is also an insult for people with perversions...

People who think that we are disgusting could call us perverts, so should we call people who we find disgusting perverts too?

I wouldn't call it hypocritical, but I don't think it's a smart thing to do.

Just keep it straight: "Deeker is a paedo!"
 

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As for boys having sex, I did by the time I was 11. It's what males do.

Usually you and I agree on most things... but I'm going to have to respectfully differ with you on this matter.

Guy on guy sex is not "what males do"... especially at age 11. Underage sexual acts do not need to belong in any sort of story... especially fetish related ones.

Sites like Deeker reflect poorly on the AB/DL community as a whole... they make us all look like a bunch of pedophiles that sit in vans around schools and playgrounds looking at little boys and drooling while stroking our cocks with one hand and a diaper with the other.

That is NOT the kind of imagery I want associated with me or my choice of lifestyle.

I am honestly surprised that some of the more prominent members of the AB/DL community have not taken a stand against places like Deeker's, diaper-boys, and etc. IMO this "fetish" needs a good cleaning out... separate the pedos and attention seekers from those of us who wish to enjoy our diapers and regression in relative peace and privacy.
 

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No standard of acceptance for pedophiles!

:bunny:This thread could have been done after reading Calico's response. h3g31 got it right in the second response. ....aaaaaaaaand were done. Nailed in the one go.

ADISC is a safe haven, BabyGrizzy. As a minor (even though you are 16 and feel like a man) their are inherient risks to you in the internet realm. People (Perverts) would love to pose as a 14 or 15 year old and have private conversations with you, and play games with you and have you email photos for lewd and unsavory purposes (How does Darkfin put it? Oh yes, fapfapfap).

The administration, staff and mods on this site have endeavored to create a site that protects minors from sexual exploitation. Further, the entire ADISC community is a part of protecting its members from sexual, emotional and physical exploitation and abuse.

I will carry forward another idea regarding pedophiles. This idea may not be popular or politically correct in the ADISC circle but please hear me out.

If a person is having ideation of sexual relations with a child, or draws or writes down these ideations and stores them by any means (computer) THIS PERSON IS A PEDOPHILE REGARDLESS, whether or not they act out any of these impulses!

I once heard it said that "Virginity is not always a virtue, sometimes it's just a lack of opportunity!"

These individuals will, if given opportunity, "groom" potential victims that they might have access to: minor children that are related to them, or are neighbors, or that they work with (in some cases as Sunday School workers, youth leaders, cub scout leaders, etc., you get my drift). Then, again if the opportunity arises, the pedophile will touch, fondle or in other ways act out their (Perverted) sexual fantasies.

As a lifetime Human Services, Mental Health and Education professional, I have always kept abreast of notifications of registered sexual offenders. I kept myself aware of the addresses and locations of these individuals and would provided this info to parents of children in the school districts that I worked.

As a school counselor and school official I would have barred any known or suspected pedophile from access to the children in my schools and sought the immediate intervention of law enforcement.

There is not and will never be a protection for or standard of political correctness of acceptance for any pedophile.

I had definite concerns when I joined ADISC regarding the mixing of teens with adults in a community such as this. As a 55 year old man, I was very standoffish at first as I didn't want any of my comments or actions to be any way construed as inappropriate interaction with minors.

I have held a high standard of personal integrity during my career and life and, of course, this I carried with me into ADISC. I may be peculiar in this obsession with proper decorum, but I will not have any minor members names as adopted by me in my signatures here on ADISC. This is how strongly I feel about the propriety in which I am obligated to while on this site.

So, BabyGrizzy, there are PERVERTS and thank God that some people will not allow that to be watered down into some kind of acceptability on any level.:bunny:
 

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:bunny:This thread could have been done after reading Calico's response. h3g31 got it right in the second response. ....aaaaaaaaand were done. Nailed in the one go.

ADISC is a safe haven, BabyGrizzy. As a minor (even though you are 16 and feel like a man) their are inherient risks to you in the internet realm. People (Perverts) would love to pose as a 14 or 15 year old and have private conversations with you, and play games with you and have you email photos for lewd and unsavory purposes (How does Darkfin put it? Oh yes, fapfapfap).

The administration, staff and mods on this site have endeavored to create a site that protects minors from sexual exploitation. Further, the entire ADISC community is a part of protecting its members from sexual, emotional and physical exploitation and abuse.

I will carry forward another idea regarding pedophiles. This idea may not be popular or politically correct in the ADISC circle but please hear me out.

If a person is having ideation of sexual relations with a child, or draws or writes down these ideations and stores them by any means (computer) THIS PERSON IS A PEDOPHILE REGARDLESS, whether or not they act out any of these impulses!

I once heard it said that "Virginity is not always a virtue, sometimes it's just a lack of opportunity!"

These individuals will, if given opportunity, "groom" potential victims that they might have access to: minor children that are related to them, or are neighbors, or that they work with (in some cases as Sunday School workers, youth leaders, cub scout leaders, etc., you get my drift). Then, again if the opportunity arises, the pedophile will touch, fondle or in other ways act out their (Perverted) sexual fantasies.

As a lifetime Human Services, Mental Health and Education professional, I have always kept abreast of notifications of registered sexual offenders. I kept myself aware of the addresses and locations of these individuals and would provided this info to parents of children in the school districts that I worked.

As a school counselor and school official I would have barred any known or suspected pedophile from access to the children in my schools and sought the immediate intervention of law enforcement.

There is not and will never be a protection for or standard of political correctness of acceptance for any pedophile.

I had definite concerns when I joined ADISC regarding the mixing of teens with adults in a community such as this. As a 55 year old man, I was very standoffish at first as I didn't want any of my comments or actions to be any way construed as inappropriate interaction with minors.

I have held a high standard of personal integrity during my career and life and, of course, this I carried with me into ADISC. I may be peculiar in this obsession with proper decorum, but I will not have any minor members names as adopted by me in my signatures here on ADISC. This is how strongly I feel about the propriety in which I am obligated to while on this site.

So, BabyGrizzy, there are PERVERTS and thank God that some people will not allow that to be watered down into some kind of acceptability on any level.:bunny:

I know that I'm new and probably have no right yet to say this, but I've been snooping through the threads and I think that this is an AWFUL post.

How smugly you assume the worst of every pedophile, and proclaim it as fact.

Let me quote from your post above: "I have held a high standard of personal integrity during my career and life and, of course, this I carried with me into ADISC... This is how strongly I feel about the propriety in which I am obligated to while on this site."

YOU have a high standard, but you can't imagine that any pedophile could have the same? Your post says "No".

Surely you realize that pedophilia is a neutral thing, like all of sexuality? That it is what you do with it that makes it good or bad. Pedophilia doesn't automatically include depravity and sexual incontinence, as you insist. ("Given the opportunity, the pedophile WILL groom...touch...fondle...act out..." you declare.) No such thing is true. What a complete crock of misinformation and smug bigotry. The expression of pedophilia takes MANY forms, but you don't imagine them, and with your blinders on, insist that only your (perverted) concept is true.

Kees
 

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I don't think Deeker is a pervert for the stories, per se. I think he's a pervert because of his "links" page. Oof.
 
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