History of AB/DLs or infantilism

[PostTenebrasLux]

I have to admit up front, I have 2 reasons for posting this. First, I've always wondered what's up that villain Deeker. What happened? Not the sort of thing that shows up in the news, I suppose.

Which brings me to a much better topic: I was wondering about notable events in the history of AB/DLs or infantilism; certainly, much of the history of this unique trait must be linked to the development and proliferation of the internet, but perhaps 'we' were around even earlier. I wonder when groups of people like us started to realize they were not alone.

Perhaps there's not much to say on this topic...although I'm sure at some point it'd be an interesting conversation.

 

[Diapered Rabbit]

History of AB/DL

:bunny: Don't know if this thread will be closed because it has been covered over and over in threads and in Answers Wiki. For me, until the internet came on the scene, information regarding AB/TL matters were very hard to come by. A few medical/psychological/mental health definitions existed but usually cast it in a sexual deviance light. Other sources were Adult magazines such as Penthouse Forum or was it Penthouse Letters that was published monthly. Out of 12 monthly issues )a years worth), you might find four or five references letters or articles; many of which were as short as the typical post on this site. Most of my Letters magazines were kept with my stash of Adult Baby things. Due to the limited material on the subject, I assumed I was quite a freak for being interested/turned on by this stuff. When the internet came along AB/DL availability increased, but I was quite turned off by the commercial and sleazy nature of most of the stuff. Still there were some good regression stories and actual accounts of individuals playing baby or involved in such things. So I tried to sift and sort what I could to affirm my interests. I knew I would never be on the extreme freaky ends of things; this would remain on the private, intimate side of self that I would nurture and cherish. In the 1980's came the tide of self-help gurus and books. One popular notion in therapy circles (that I was involved in as a practitioner) was the (new) notion of healing or nurturing the inner child. This was a wildly popular theme - something, BTW that my parents would have dismissed as pure bullshit. I went quite a while with very limited access to the internet (2004 until October of 2008). I stumbled upon this site. Wow! Cool! A place where I can be validated/accepted/understood.
Well, perhaps not. (Please don't take this wrong folks). The site is inundated by teens as young as 13 years old. And teens, as we know, already have everything figured out, are the only ones that are authentic, open, searching, valid or to be trusted. It feels as if 50-60% of the teens found AB/TB/DL sites on the internet and are simply experimenting, as if they are trying out a new video game, buying the newest brand-name of clothing or shoes, or other latest pop culture fad that their friends are checking out.
I may be way out on a limb on this assessment. I even read a post about the image of the NEW *baby, as if us older members of ADISC created or promoted some unhealthy, sleazy image regarding a AB/TB/*B/DL lifestyle or experience.

All I know is, all of us have to find out who we are and be true to that. Every member of this community will age; Let's see how that turns out for you. :bunny:

 

[PostTenebrasLux]

Thanks for the insight, Diapered Rabbit. I wondered if this topic might be a bit redundant...mods, kill it (with fire!) if you like--I'll have a look through the wikis.

However, I had no idea any of this was ever in a non-abdl magazine. And it's always interesting to hear the perspective of someone who came of age without the luxury of 'finding him(or her)self' using the internet. A few years ago, I had the notion that perhaps someone out there has the same interests I do, so why not ask Google? I'd hate to think how isolated and flawed I'd feel without knowing how many others have similar desires.

Well, thanks for the food for thought. A thread on ADISC may not be the place to continue pondering, but I'll keep an eye out for more info.

 

[annierighthurr]

I have heard that DPF was the original network for AB/DL, and that originally it was somewhat of a mailing list and advertised in porn magazine classifieds, or something like that.

I am curious too. Sometimes I see photographs that look like they date to the 70s, or at least 80s of girls or guys in what look like adult baby clothes, but it doesn't seem like there would have been a market for them before the vastness of the internet.

It'd also be interesting to hear about something that predates the late 40's (cause, that seems to be about the time our oldest members would've been children and aware of their feelings). Anything, even if just a doctor/psychological account of somebody acting like a baby or attraction to diapers beyond infancy. That would be truly interesting.

 

[dogboy]

In 1970 as a college student I sat in the waiting room of a big residential mental institution, waiting to see my psychologist for the first time because my mom found me out, and made the appointment. I was scared, depressed and embarrassed. I looked around the waiting room at other adults and kids, and wondered what they were there for. I felt like I had gone insane, and maybe I had. I was called into the doctor's office and I had to tell him about what brought me there. It's something I will always remember. It's been said that for as long as there have been diapers, there have probably been people old enough to not have to use them, but wanted to.

 

[BabyMullet]

Historically, traces of AB/DL go as far back as to the Roman Empire. When horrifically wounded in battle, and have survived the rather poor medical treatment of the ancient times, a soldier would be sent back home. Upon arrive home, he was promptly dressed in 'swaddling clothes' (A diaper held up by wrapping it around the entire body) and other baby clothes. He would slowly gain back adult responsibilities as his body healed and he regained the use of his limbs. He would then return to full adulthood and go on being a manly roman.

 

[annierighthurr]

Historically, traces of AB/DL go as far back as to the Roman Empire. When horrifically wounded in battle, and have survived the rather poor medical treatment of the ancient times, a soldier would be sent back home. Upon arrive home, he was promptly dressed in 'swaddling clothes' (A diaper held up by wrapping it around the entire body) and other baby clothes. He would slowly gain back adult responsibilities as his body healed and he regained the use of his limbs. He would then return to full adulthood and go on being a manly roman.

That's not really ABDL though. Extra, almost infantile care and diapers have been used to help heal the wounded for a long time and it's still used today.

 

[EmeraldsAndLime]

As far as on the internet goes, here's some of what I recall from websites past and present.

Usenet
There was a social group on Usenet, well before the days of the typical modern site forum and whatnot. The Usenet group was one of the first *BDL networks/newsgroups on the internet. From what I remember hearing, they had a mailing list and organised meetups and the like.

Yior
At some stage you may see someone refer to a site called "Yior". Basically, it a pedo site [rather poorly] disguised as a *BDL site. It basically hosted pictures of young children (I'm talking all ages under 10), some in diapers, some in just clothes, some not even in either of those things, but still scantily covered. Eventually it got reported, taken down and the site owner busted up by the feds, IIRC.

DPF
Taken from the website:

DPF is the world's oldest and the largest organization (by far) in the world devoted to adult babies and diaper lovers. How old is DPF, you may ask? Well, long before the Web, long before Windows, before Mac's, before DOS, almost before the first commercial personal computers were available, there was DPF. Beginning almost 20 years ago, thousands of adult babies and diaper lovers around the globe have been corresponding, meeting, having parties, finding mommies or daddies, falling in love and forming permanent life-long relationships - thanks to DPF. Since 1980, well over 15,000 people from all over the world have found happiness in DPF. It is our fondest hope that we can share this with you, too.

*CHOKE*

In regards to the *BDL scene, DPF is definitely one of the sites that has been around for a long time. It peaked for a while having been a really active place for both teens and adults alike. This continued on until people realised that it harboured quite a few paedophiles, notably the Teen Chatroom, which felt more like a pickup service for the creepy, sicko types. Surprisingly, over the years, the place has not changed design in the slightest, it still attracts annoys people with the background, site layout and, of course, freaks many out with your typical "omg do u mess?!?!" feel to the forums. A dangerous site that, unfortunately, many new people to the fetish find before more respectable places.

Deeker
Deeker's site has been around since May of 1996 and the owner has enjoyed it's status as being one of the most popular sites for *BDL stories (read, NOT literature). I'm sure the majority of people within the fetish community would either know about Deeker's, regularly visit Deeker's or submit content to Deeker's. In its 12 years of operation, the site has maintained a steady stream of submissions.

In a more opinionated light, the site basically caters to the fantasies of the owner, having strictly dedicated the content to focus around young boys in diapers. Go ahead, try submitting a story or sighting about a girl, it'll get knocked back quicker than a skydiver without a parachute. He seems to have birthed the site out of his own ideal of a "perfect diaper boy" and ultimately centres the whole site around the notions that "all boys belong in thick, white diapers" and that they "should be highlighted and exposed at every conceivable opportunity by the females that look after them and treat them like babies".

The biggest catch to the site, however, is that he claims it doesn't support nor condones paedophiles in any respect, yet the majority of content on his site is wanking/fantasy material. A sizable portion of it involving sex between minors, forced humiliation, diaper usage and regression of minors and some other things that are child abuse by any strech of the imagination.

Diaper-Boys
Still one of the major *BDL sites in existence. Quite a large site with a huge member-base (where I assume most are more interested in the Gallery than making genuine friendships). It's not a bad site, it's just not one you go to when you are looking for something more than discussion about diapers or baby-stuff. It's usually one of the first sites new people to the fetish come across.

Although, I will mention it has had a few problems with paedophiles in the past (as if the big stamp of "Paedophiles are not welcome here!" on the front page was any giveaway). There was a case not too long ago that lead to a few tightened restrictions on the place. But all I can say is - if you are young, just take caution if you go there.

TeenBabyNet
It's a good site, I don't have too much of a problem with it. When I was active on there, there were some cool people who just made the place really special. It was the first non-creepy *BDL community I ever came across, so it does mean a lot to me. The site alone put into perspective that I could participate in this fetish and not feel awkward or disgusted about it.

As you probably can gather, I have an account on there (quite an old one, mind you - registered in April 2004, which is years earlier than a lot of the people currently using the site), but I don't really use it anymore because I made a decision to leave the site. Why? Well, for the most part it's just not as active as I liked it to be. I would force myself to not log on for a couple of days just to bring the new post count up to something substantial to flick through. That was a bit of a drag.

Other than that, for the longest time I never saw any of the admins active on the site, which lead me to feel they no longer cared about it. There was a time before my official departure from the site where I left for about a year (the same time I left TBDL.org) and I came back to all new faces. My problem wasn't so much as having to integrate into these people's way of things, it was that I felt they made no genuine effort to include anyone outside their social circle. That was fine by me, I just collected my things and left. Looking at the site now, very little has changed. The same faces are still there, it's still not very active (which is both a good and bad thing).

 

[Diapered Rabbit]

:bunny: Wow, Lukie, you should be considered our resident site historian - good job - seems to bring me more up-to-date. I remember DPF - still creeped me out somewhat. Again thnks for the most informative post. :bunny:

 

[PostTenebrasLux]

I feel like I should've paid tuition before reading all that--very interesting stuff.

I think DPF was the first site I ever found when I first got the notion to search. Thankfully I found a nice forum (now gone--just vanished).

Dang--out of time. Would write more but I've gotta get going.

 

[Mako]

I'm going to snag a few quotes from an old topic from RUP that gives some history to pre-DPF and Tommy.

Preston
"Actually, Tommy got his idea from the late Gene Clennon. Gene had the first roster listing of ABs/DLs - Li'l Wrangler - that I'd ever seen. This would have been 1978-80, or so. Before that, there were random ads in various publications - Advocate, Penthouse Letters, etc. I worked for Gene until he became too ill to run Li'l Wrangler, which was then sold to Tommy and became DPF. Some of Gene's photos from his photo sets are still floating around the Internet, 30 years later.
Preston"

DprdJeff
"Exactly. Tommy was as far from a pioneer as there could be. I would place him as more of a community leech. Other people would start projects and he would steal them and incorporate them into his own ventures with no credit to anyone. He even attempted to file lawsuits against true early pioneers, claiming he owned the rights to the terms Adult Baby, Diaper Lover and AB/DL.

I still have the nasty letter I got from his lawyer about 15 years ago when I opened a site with photos of myself and my wife. He threatened to sue me for using those terms among other things. I should dig it out for some laughs... "


I was never a fan of Tommy, not knowing much about him personally, but DPF was the first place I had found and I was a bit horrified by lack of response to the many pedofiles. And the still curious case of peter file and tommy's claim to action but obvious lack of it.

 

[Valentine]

The first time I heard of DPF was on the news. Someone, I don't know who, affiliated with DPF, was arrested for diapering teenagers in the back of his van. He had started a business to help parents of bedwetters, his solution was diapers. I don't remember much else of the story, it has been over 20 years since this happened. I do remember being surprised that the organization still existed when I first found it on the web, although the name change didn't surprise me.

 

[Trevor]

Usenet
There was a social group on Usenet, well before the days of the typical modern site forum and whatnot. The Usenet group was one of the first *BDL networks/newsgroups on the internet. From what I remember hearing, they had a mailing list and organised meetups and the like.

Nothing to correct here, just to add since this was my first real introduction to the AB/DL world. When I started poking around in earnest, back in '92-93, alt.sex.fetish.diapers was where most of the action was. Lots of posts/stories, some spam, and some binaries groups for people interested in pictures. Over time, the spam began to really hit hard. Tons of irrelevant posts from people trying to make a quick buck one way or another. The last gasp of Usenet action was to switch over to a group that had been created as a joke, alt.dean.stark.diaper-play (there were many joke names with the dean.stark header) and without the sex.fetish aspect, this group was spared a lot of the spam attention.

At the best of times, these were a prety wild places, and to a new observer, pretty damn freaky. It helped me to see that there were others out there who shared my desires, but the way in which many of them expressed it worried me a lot.

 

[Yumi]

I found Deeker first, got confused and creeped out... Left.

5 Minutes later, I was searching "TBDL" and then... HAZAH! I found a site that wasn't all scary and porn like. Can you guess what I found? It's right infront of your face.

 

[Pojo]

Wetbuster

While this isn't a AB/DL site, it did cater to bedwetters...Originally it was just meant for a place for other bedwetters to talk with one another and to get advice and such, but a good deal of the people were either pedo's or AB/DL's...They actually closed the site down, because of the number of AB/DL's that came there...The site itself was basically a message board type site...Someone would post their problem or whatever, and then you could reply to it...Many replies were the usual "well, you should wear diapers!"...I did reply to a couple, but I actually gave solid advice...They also had a chat room, a craptastic one, and later a betterish one...The better one was actually more of an AB/DL chat, and I did spend time in there...The craptastic one (why is craptastic in my Firefox dictionary?) was a chatroom in the lowest sense of the word...The site is still up, but you can't post anything...Just read...

For me, I never really discovered Deeker...Sure I found it, but I didn't like it to begin with...I did discover DPF later on, but there wasn't much to the site, I felt...Sometimes I would go in the chat, but as mentioned, it was always (and still is) full of obvious fakes...I did discover this site (When it was TBDL)...And I liked the articles that existed...I think I also made an account...And I thought Peachy was really creepy with his peach avatar he had :smile1:

 

[annierighthurr]

Something interesting...
I tried to visit DPF the other day just to see if it was still exactly the same and it looks like it's for sale and that Tommy is retiring. I really hope this is the end of DPF, haha. Just another tarnish on the AB/DL record that can be wiped away by now.

 

[Pojo]

Something interesting...
I tried to visit DPF the other day just to see if it was still exactly the same and it looks like it's for sale and that Tommy is retiring. I really hope this is the end of DPF, haha. Just another tarnish on the AB/DL record that can be wiped away by now.

I think it's said that for years now...I heard that Tommy died like a couple years ago or something

 

[peterdaddy]

Take a look at Abkingdom, Museum space... ]f you dont read french, you can click at links. The first time I've seen an ABDL Book was about 1975 in Amsterdam Netherland, where pictures at Sex shops were seen in public. The second time it was, maybe, before DPF a fanzine named "the Playpen", I bought the Number 1... wow, it's a Museum Grade Object, now, but I lost it... In the french History we have something before the "revolution" (1789), where it is said that some rich noble people had there own Nannies and were treated like infants... A sect said " about the Paraclet " also took literally the passage of the Gospel: "Really I say it to You, those who are not as children, they will not go to the Celestial kingdom ". The believers and the priests were dressed in baby in certain opportunities, I never found more about it (Dictionnary of the Sects 1980) /I]

 

[Dream]

I remember the first time I found about abdl. I was google something about diaper and found the story, Double Life Of Ariel Clawford. After that, I remember looking for diaper storys and founding Ashley Diaper Adventures, Tiffary Diapers Tales, Abby's old freeweb site and one of lil vickie story and that were I found ABDL story forum. After being a lurker/member there for a couple years, someone posted a link to this site on there in March and I became a memeber here so here I'm am now.

Speaking of Deeker....

Here some picture of him...
Deeker's Diaper Page- Photo Gallery

And here some info about his life
Deeker's Diaper Page- About Me

 

[annierighthurr]

I think it's said that for years now...I heard that Tommy died like a couple years ago or something

Oh, haha. Shows how often I go on there. I wonder when the doman expires.