Historical research on AB/DL?

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DaSpyda

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I was wondering if there has been much research on how far this interest/lifestyle goes back? Or is it a relatively new thing?

I would imagine that to some degree it must be a relatively new lifestyle choice. It wouldn't be impossible, but I would think it might be harder to enjoy ab/dl prior to the 1900s. Just due to the lack of leisure time, harder-working lifestyles, lack of modern convenences like disposable diapers and indoor laundry equipment, etc.

But, I'm sure there's someone smarter than me that might know of historical or maybe literary references to people engaging in such behavior, if it is little known facts of famous people. (IIRC, for example, the first British governor of New York was a cross-dresser, and would meet people at his home in 17th/18th century women's fashions.).

I was just highly curious is all.
 

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I'm pretty sure infantilism can go back pretty far. Even though people didn't have disposable diapers or much leisure time, I think they probably would've made makeshift cloth diapers and suck on their thumbs, etc. As far as I know, there's no evidence to support it going back very far. It's quite rare and not as commonly-known as cross-dressing might be, for example.
 

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As much as infantilists keep it a secret part of their lives in our present day, it appears it would be particularly hard to find any history of it in the past. One possibility for finding old documentation is with past individuals personal diarys. Personal infantilist desires would def be private diary material. Though, no telling how many old diarys you'd have to find and read before coming across any AB/DL related entries. From my own personal feelings, as well as other older members here, I can assure you forms of it have been around since the 1950s, so there's 50 years of history to start with.

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It's hard to say. Relatively speaking, nappies themselves haven't existed for all that long and whether there were swaddling clothes lovers in the past might be an interesting thing to ponder.

The biggest problem is communication and record - an AB/DL a century ago would be far less likely than we to ever encounter anyone else with similar predilections so the chances of finding literature, organisation or community relating to this stuff would be low. I'm sure a love of the childish and infantile has existed in people for as long as civilisation has but the actual identity, definition or subculture as we know it is probably relativity new on any meaningful scale.

All in all, I would guess that the human psychology and environment hasn't changed all that much to make this completely new but there is less repression and more communication these days while evidence of activity in times past would be hard to come by.
 
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I would have to agree with Jaiden on this. The chances of someone a hundred years ago ever finding another into the same thing would be astronomical. And if anyone had ever been caught back then practicing infantilism, I'm sure they were either punished severely or put into a mental institute, thus making any record of it hard to find, if not impossible.
I know that I kept it hidden until I was 44 or 45 years old. I'm not sure exactly when I found out about it on the internet, but that's the only reason I've come forward with it. Otherwise, I would still be keeping it a deep dark secret.
I think that only someone that's experienced it can truly understand it, making it difficult to find records. People don't just go out and put an add in the newspaper asking if anybody wants to try, or has tried, wearing diapers, and did they enjoy it.
 

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You know, I agree with everyone here so far. I think that a hundred years ago it would have been very difficult if not impossible for someone to find another AB/DL just by chance. Many people even today don't realize that there is a community of people out there that have these desires and interests, and therefore continue to keep it a secret. So just imagine a hundred years ago.
I do think that people most likely have had AB/DL desires for much farther back than even a hundred years, I think it's something that people probably would have fantasized about. The feelings we get are usually very strong. They probably just thought they were crazy and like Ricky said afraid of being sent to an asylum.
 

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I have seen AB/DL publications dating back to the 50's... black & white photos of women in big cloth diapers and rubber pants. Judging from some of the "older" AB/DLs around I would imagine the fetish dates back to at least the 1940's... however I don't know of anyone older that's still alive to ask.
 

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it's possible that ab/dl goes back a 100 years or more but it would have been considerd rare. and it may have been called some thing other then ab/dl
and people who did have infintial desires or acted infintial would have been punished or put in a mental instatution. because this behavior wouldn't have been considerd normal and may have been thought of as a curable mental illness.
so I'm sure people back then would have to have kept their desires well hidden
muck like people who were gay used to have to do.
so I'm sure their have always been some people who never completely out grew their desires to be babies or toddlers again. but it wasn't as well known or was considered a source of shame.
 

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you may find that the instance of regressive desire parallels the, relatively new, invention of childhood and the Twentieth Century advances in social healthcare which allowed weaker siblings to survive traumatic infancy.
 

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When I was in college, I actually found a copy of this book in our libarary.

Amazon.com: Patterns of Psychosexual Infantilism: Wilhelm Stekel: Books


While it wasn't particularly enjoyable to read (it kind of made all infantilists seem like crazy people, even though that makes sense, since it was published in 1952), it does prove what people have already said in this thread...infantilism certainly goes back 60 years ago or so. Besides, I think there are a few cartoons made back in the 30's that show characters wearing cloth diapers and bonnets and stuff...so I wouldn't be surprised if it were around at least 100 years ago.

However, like people have said...finding records of it would be extremely difficult. I mean, I felt like I was a freak until I found out there were others...I can't imagine going my entire life like that. But I'm sure that's what some people had to do.


My guess is...the whole idea of being an infantilist has probably always been around. But, it probably hasn't always been quite as prevalent since what diapers are has changed over the years. Also, people probably used to suppress the idea a lot more since they probably felt it was something wrong with them...and they therefore would want to push it out of their minds.


However, I do think it's really neat that *B/DLism is multi-cultural. I mean, there are *B/DL's from the US, Canada, Europe, Australia...even South Africa. And those are just from English speaking countries (since these are the people I've seen on English speaking forums). At this point, I'm sure that there are *B/DL's in all developed/developing countries, and quite possibly to some degree in other places. It's really quite interesting, I think.
 

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This has been asked before, which is o.k. I can remember saying that it goes back to the Old Testament, where one is admonished for living in their own filth. It may have been one of those stoning sins. In past lives, I was always getting stoned. Then the same thing happened in the 60's. hehehe
 

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Thanks for everyone's comments. I guess hoping there may some kind of little known revelation of somebody in history or ancient literature that looking back now with modern-day hindsight that would have made us say "AH-HA! According to this ancient Norwegian document where the King of Outer Slobovia visited Latveria it was reported that he would often nurse from one of his concubines while making mewing noises of an infant."

I mean, in this day and age, we often hear of scholars makine some kind of informed opinion of personages of the past based on what was written by them or about them. Did Lincoln suffer from clinical depression? is the most immediate example to come to mind. I think there was a book that had come out awhile back, On the Shoulders of Giants, I think? I might be wrong, and basically it was going through kinky lifestyles of people like Aristotle, Mary Queen of Scots, etc.

I just thought that maybe someone had come up with something similar to that. Something that might have been passed of as some ancient's eccentricity, or ancient myth or fable, might actually have some kind of basis in ab behavior. For example, I could forsee some ancient Greek comedy where the main character acted like an abandoned baby to get into a rich person's hous so he could be near his daughter. To the masses, it would be an odd little comedy, something on the level of Tom and Jerry cartoon. But to those who have interest in that, could that ancient Greek playwright actually have had something else in mind?

bah, I am getting too wordy in my old age.
 
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As a psych major (well, neuroscience now but there's not a huge difference between the two, just one is more biologically oriented) I've come across a few studies/case reports on infantallism. The majority of them are very old by scientific standards (just about everything on the subject was written in the 1950's or earlier). I know that I've read one or two that date back to the early 1900's so the fetish has been known to science for at least a century and the research (what little there is) indicates that ABism is a rather new fetish that only came into being during the victorian era. That makes sense considering that there wasn't much about babyhood to cling to before then (no prams, highchairs, special clothes, diapers, etc). The major problem with all this research is that since the majority of it was written at least half a century ago it's all inundated with psychodynamic bullshit (so you tend to see things like "this man's infantallism developed because he was sexually insecure/underwhelming"). And in the really old stuff you tend to see a lot of moral judgements thrown in as well.

As I've already said there's little recent research on the matter. Fetishes as a whole are neglected by behavioral science, especially the more bizarre/rare fetishes like infantallism. A lot of it has to do with the trouble of finding a good participant pool and the fact that a lot of researchers can't stomach the data collection that goes into studying fetishes. Of the recent research I've seen a couple that were bad case studies. For example, one was written by a female psychodynamic psychologist who held a few sessions with a male AB who stated he was seeing her so that she would get him admitted to a hospital nursery ward. After a few sessions when she refused to do what he wanted he stopped coming which she concluded was because he saw her as a mother figure and was scared of being rejected by her like he was by his own mother. It didn't seem to occur to her that he stopped coming because he realized that she wasn't going to get him put into a nursery room at a hospital. The rest of the recent literature on the matter is nothing but descriptive research that attempted to establish various various statistics and figures about infantallists. However, I've yet to see anything that attempts to figure out how old infantallism is.
 

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At least to the age of Romans.

Although it wasn't sexual with the Romans, it was cultural.

When a warrior was wounded in battle to the point where he could no longer fight, he was sent back home to his family. The whole family would dress him up in baby clothes. (Which pretty much meant that he was wearing a dress, made changing easier) Including diapers, which he used, and was treated like a baby until he was able to take care of himself. I don't really know why the Romans went through such extravagent ways to go through the healing process, perhaps the warrior was changing social class because of his wounds and needed to start over. Or maybe the Romans really like diapers as a culture.

But thats the oldest I've seen it. But it would also depend on your definition of infantillism. ANR (Adult nursing realtionship, an adult female breastfeeding an adult male or female) has been around for as long as people have liked breasts and what comes out of them.
 

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I think infintalism has been around alog time but, people may not have been a ware that others felt that way too or it was something that people had to keep hidden.
but i think that their have been people through histiry that felt more like a baby the an adult.
 
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