Hey, they have all the sexy fun in Britian

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Note that the kid was actually 12 when they had sex.

Anyways, I'm just shocked no one explained how sex works to him by then. They teach it in school where I live starting in grade 5 (10 years old). They make sure you know what sex can create (babies) before it is physically possible for it to happen.

However, there is one case where an 8 year old girl became pregnant, but she had a genetic abnormality that caused her to become fertile by 4 years old. The father was never found, though everyone figures it was either her own father or an uncle.
 

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It happens. Not just in Britain, but all over the world (especially places with no method of birth control).
 
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Ah yes. We have confirmation on my other post's suspicion:

Chantelle and Maisie were released from hospital yesterday. They are living with Penny, Chantelle’s jobless dad Steve, 43, and her five brothers in a rented council house in Eastbourne. The family live on benefits.
It is unfortunate that you cannot make people not bring children into the world when they cannot put food into their own mouths. It is also unfortunate that people with professional careers are having children later and later, while those with no aspirations are having children younger and more frequently.

Finally ... why on earth would that girl sleep with this boy? She had a few years of age on him, and obviously was happy enough to open her legs for anyone ... why a 12 year old who looks 8?

“She’s my daughter. I love her and she will want for nothing.”
How I really wish this quote had come from Chantelle rather than from Chantelle’s mother. Because, you know, the victim here is the child, and that's where every last penny of money and morsel of food should be going.
 
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I took a closer look at the "newspaper." It's a tabloid. Other stories include "The curse of 9/11" in reference to the 9/11 wido who died in the plane crash in New York this week, "Beach head nut was killer," "Jade told she's dying," "Mothe rof Octuplets says she has not had sex in eight years," "Clancy is looking fancy in lingerie," as well as four pictures of women is various states of undress on the front page. This isn't news. The veracity of the article you bring up is questionable. Pregnancies at such a young age certainly do occur, but I don't know if this one did. And to generalize about the state of an entire society based on one case or one locale or one social ill does not offer much in the line of accuracy.
 

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I took a closer look at the "newspaper." It's a tabloid. ... This isn't news.... The veracity of the article you bring up is questionable. ... And to generalize about the state of an entire society based on one case or one locale or one social ill does not offer much in the line of accuracy.
I don't generally read papers from the U.K., so I'm not as familiar with what is a rag and what is a respectable outlet. I thought it might be a little too fantastic, but there is video with the article. For a fake piece, going through the trouble to find the parents that would let their 2 kids and a newborn to star in your fake news article seems a bit off the deep end, IMO.

I am certainly able to generalize about the fate of society on a far grander scale than this, with far less evidence, when called upon. :laugh: Not really serious about this case, but it sounded good, yeah?

We could take the rational step and discuss whether all of the money spent and comic books for 6 year olds printed actually does anything more towards lessening the possibility of events like this occurring than parents having the guts to have "the talk" and maintaining communications with their kids.
 

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Note that the kid was actually 12 when they had sex.

Anyways, I'm just shocked no one explained how sex works to him by then. They teach it in school where I live starting in grade 5 (10 years old). They make sure you know what sex can create (babies) before it is physically possible for it to happen.
5 grade? Damn, my school didn't teach sex ed until you were in 8th grade. I believe it, because when I started 9th grade, there were like 5 girl already pregnant.
 
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I took a closer look at the "newspaper." It's a tabloid. Other stories include "The curse of 9/11" in reference to the 9/11 wido who died in the plane crash in New York this week, "Beach head nut was killer," "Jade told she's dying," "Mothe rof Octuplets says she has not had sex in eight years," "Clancy is looking fancy in lingerie," as well as four pictures of women is various states of undress on the front page. This isn't news. The veracity of the article you bring up is questionable. Pregnancies at such a young age certainly do occur, but I don't know if this one did. And to generalize about the state of an entire society based on one case or one locale or one social ill does not offer much in the line of accuracy.
It is The Sun, sure, which is tawdry at best, but I have no doubt that the core facts are (largely) correct: 12-year old boy and 14-year old girl create demon spawn.

As far as generalizing about an entire society, the fact remains that now there are far more britons than in previous generations who, at 12-18, say they want to "be famous" and yet have no marketable skills or discernible talent whatsoever. Hence the fact that everyone was on the dole unfortunately didn't come as a huge surprise to me; there simply appears less education/opportunities/willingness/involvement in low-SES families.

I stand by my earlier comment, but point out that there are other factors involved than just this.

Not that the UK is unique; during a radio show with a skilled tradesman (plumber) here in the USA, he (the plumber) bemoaned the fact that they're finding no apprentices to pass the trade to. $100K-$120K per year is apparently "nothing" to 18-21 year olds whom he speaks with, and they think they'll do better. I, on the other hand, have busted my ass for the past 10 years in school ... and I'll likely end up making somewhere in that range in this country ... assuming that I can find work. Plumbing sure looks smart from this end of things! ;)
 

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Newspapers in Britain: If they're red, they shouldn't be read! :D

It's just scummy people being all scummy IMO.

I find the 15 year old having sex with an 8 year old looking 12 year old pretty disturbing, I wonder what the article would have looked like if the boy had been 15 and the girl 12.

I don't think this is so much a sex-ed problem, this is just a one-off case. Parents probably didn't explain anything to him...

As for them being on benefits... don't even get me started on that! For a lot of people not working is the smartest option, because working would involve working and the free money would stop. There's little motivation for people to work... The government needs to be stricter with people.
 

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She looks old enough to be his mom...

Anyway, it's going to be interesting because he'll be starting college when his kid starts school =)
 

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I took a closer look at the "newspaper." It's a tabloid. Other stories include "The curse of 9/11" in reference to the 9/11 wido who died in the plane crash in New York this week, "Beach head nut was killer," "Jade told she's dying," "Mothe rof Octuplets says she has not had sex in eight years," "Clancy is looking fancy in lingerie," as well as four pictures of women is various states of undress on the front page. This isn't news. The veracity of the article you bring up is questionable. Pregnancies at such a young age certainly do occur, but I don't know if this one did. And to generalize about the state of an entire society based on one case or one locale or one social ill does not offer much in the line of accuracy.
The Sun is one of the top newspapers in Britain. It's trashy sensationalist stuff yes, but that's the nature of British newspapers. You have to realise that British press is made up of these kinds of papers (known as the "red tops") and the serious papers like The Times, The Telegraph and The Gardian (amongst others), plus some more farcical "fake story" papers like those you find state-side.

Tabloids here are somewhat different to those in the US, and are far more popular. Generally these are sensational papers but the articles are (sometimes loosely) based on facts (and this story is definitely being treated as fact). They can also challenge the establishment and have the power to swing opinion and the political landscape. They're not afraid to criticise other countries either (e.g. The Mirror calling Americans dumb for voting in Bush ;)).

Fact is a lot of people in Britain don't read newspapers for serious news. Although I would argue that this is indeed news worthy as it has raised a lot of serious debate in Britain over what is a big problem with teenage pregnancy (Britain has the worse teenage pregnancy rates in Europe).


Anyway, The Sun is made by News International who also make the more serious The Times in the UK (essentially a sister paper to The Sun and often carries the same stories but with a more serious approach), and News International is owned by News Corp, run by global media baron Rupert Murdoch.

Consider that News Corp spins out junk like ultra right wing patriotic Fox News that a lot of Americans seem to like ;)


Of course The Sun has also been traditionally read for the sexy babe on page 3 ;)
 
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I was about to make a thread about this, I just read about it in a paper in a coffee shop, and I think its disgusting
 

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The dude looks he could fit in a Pampers or Huggies not too many sizes larger that his son's nappies.

My questions is...Which is worse? A kid who is 13 and is already a dad, or a lady in California who gives birth of octuplets and already has 6 kids at home?
 

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The dude looks he could fit in a Pampers or Huggies not too many sizes larger that his son's nappies.

My questions is...Which is worse? A kid who is 13 and is already a dad, or a lady in California who gives birth of octuplets and already has 6 kids at home?
That's a tough one... well, they're both bad.

14 kids. How many of them are going to get enough love from their mother who doesn't even have a job?

13 year old dad. Yep, you're 13. I agree with Zekk, he's not going to be much older or bigger than his kid, ever.

They're both bad. Neither is worse.
 

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He'll ... attend ... college? ... a-hahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha!

Oh God. You kill me.

*wipes eyes*
In Britain, that's not hard. They'll pretty much bend over backwards to get him in given the desire to get just about everyone through college/uni, and the exams are dead easy these days so long as he picks easy subjects.

However it's more likely he won't be interested. Probably join a gang (if he isn't in one already), and get shot or stabbed. She'll then be able to claim lots of benefits and housing as a single mother until her kids start having kids. She'll be a grandmother by 27.

Of course they're raking it in anyway at the moment with the money they're getting from The Sun.

It's a little suspicious even that leads you to think maybe the whole thing has been planned in some way to make money. It's also been questioned as to whether the boy really is the father, considering he was barely (if at all) into puberty at the time. After all, it wouldn't make headline news if she was just another 15 year old girl with a kid who's father was a similar age ;)
 
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In Britain, that's not hard. They'll pretty much bend over backwards to get him in given the desire to get just about everyone through college/uni, and the exams are dead easy these days so long as he picks easy subjects.
These are not your father's A-levels, indeed. Both parents went to university under the "old guard." An ex co-worker for whom I have the utmost respect went to university in India - under the British system. She and her brothers would fight over a scholarly journal - I think it may have been Science at 14, and they'd rip each other apart to get at the newspaper to see who had won the Nobel prize for Chemistry, Physics, and so on.

It's another sad indicator for me that, no matter how much I may feel nostalgic about it, my England is that of my parents' generation. I recently saw reports coming out that red pen was deemed "emotionally damaging" to students (Verboten!), and homework was terminated as it "made the children feel bad, and stressed them" (Verboten!). Argh.

Another topic for another thread, but why the compulsion to foist university degrees on everyone who walks through the door?
 
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