Funny thing about norway!

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I just found out a little thing about Norway (where I'm from).

There is actually a law forbidding taking pictures of yourself wearing a diaper or dressed like a person under 18 years old (of course only sexual pictures), and distributing it in any way! :eek:

If you break this law, you may be jailed for 3-5 years or get a fine for it from 6000$ and up-up-up.

Why, you ask? Well... It's because it's considered as child pornography...(!)

Isn't that stupid?
 

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lol, WHAT child pornography? Its consenting adults. I thought child pornography was underage children?
 

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Wow, that just sounds silly, but I guess the US has its share of weird laws too.
 

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It's not that stupid if you really think about it. Two factors come into play here, under-aged individuals posing as adults, and simulated child porn.

There have been many accounts where people have gotten in trouble for trying to pass off under-aged teens as adults. Allowing adults to pose as children would make it easier for under-aged individuals to be shown in porn under the guise of adults. It also allows for plausible deniability of the participants actual ages.

Many places have laws against simulated child porn; porn depicting children without actually involving real children. It is possible for such works to get exceeding close to the real thing. Some people believe that allow it makes distributing real child porn easier. Also allowing simulated child porn can be seen as accepting and even promoting pedophilia and child molestation.

Yes, such laws can get out of hand, but I can be argued that ultimately they do hinder actual child porn.
 

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That is a really good point, and I agree, if not taken too far, those laws can help against pedophilia. I just worry about laws that start to encroach into areas that the general populace considers taboo but aren't immoral or illegal, and then the laws aren't revised or clarified because most of the people aren't really knowledgeable on the topic.
 

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Yep Australia has a similar Law it's illegal for an adult to dress up to look like a minor and take digital photos or video of themselves and be in possession of the material.

It's also illegal to be in possession of digital fictional child pornography this includes;
Written texts or books i.e. published work like Lolita or fan fiction, including original work (and it doesn’t matter if the author is a minor themselves.)

Digital Cartoons of fictional or real characters I.E Bart, Lisa or maggi from the Simpsons. Japanese stuff or original work you drew yourself.

This extends to teenagers if a teenager takes a naked picture of themselves and stores it on their phone or computer that teenager can still be hit with a possession of child pornography.
 

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Yep Australia has a similar Law it's illegal for an adult to dress up to look like a minor and take digital photos or video of themselves and be in possession of the material.

It's also illegal to be in possession of digital fictional child pornography this includes;
Written texts or books i.e. published work like Lolita or fan fiction, including original work (and it doesn’t matter if the author is a minor themselves.)

Digital Cartoons of fictional or real characters I.E Bart, Lisa or maggi from the Simpsons. Japanese stuff or original work you drew yourself.

This extends to teenagers if a teenager takes a naked picture of themselves and stores it on their phone or computer that teenager can still be hit with a possession of child pornography.

That is the single most fucking retarded thing I have ever heard in my entire life. No offense to you Australians out there (You have some sweet accents!), but, seriously? You know, I've NEVER been happy about being an American. We're a bunch of psychotic gun-toting right winged nuts. (Not saying we're all like that, but, that's what the world thinks of us! -_- and those people tend to have the louder voices..., at least in global views) Buuuut, seriously. If we were to have a law against dressing up in youth-esque clothing and taking a picture, I'd move to Canada. Like, right now -_- That's so freakin' STUPID! Like... ugh. Just, wow. If I wanna take a picture of myself naked, and, say, send it to someone my age who's like, my boyfriend... whilst it's stupid, it's none of anybody else's god damn business -_-
 

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The idea behind is basically to prevent the possible intent in which someone might view or use the image for sexual gratification.

There has been a serious case with a professional nudist photographer that took 'tastful' photos of a naked 13 year old.
Now mind you these are just Nude art photos. The child was not put in any sexual position or any position that could be interpreted as sexually arousing. He got consent from the parents from the child and all parties were there for the shoot. But some prude at the opening made a complaint and the media got involved sensualising it.

The irony is, his done this kind of thing before for decades and no one had a problem with it. He even has his work in galleries around the world. But it's a sign of the times. Now every time he wants to do artistic nude photos of children. He needs to have the work looked over by a judge and jury before he even starts and then there is no guarantee it will not get destroyed or be allowed for public viewing.

The Right wing family screwballs in Australia have the power and they cry “won’t we think of the children” any chance they get. The phrase "Australia is becoming a Nanny state" gets flung all too often now.
 

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porn depicting children without actually involving real children.
In this day and age, of photoshop, morphing software, adult cartoons (in the style of say, Disney,) and cub art it is hard for the law to either keep pace with technology, or to define laws in a way that include what they are supposed to, and exclude only what should be excluded.

Many laws are deliberately vague and are meant to be useful for all those weird situations nobody saw coming. We have a driving offense: driving without due care and attention. It is meant to be applied for all the situations where you didn't speed, stunt, race, be reckless, make an illegal u-turn or otherwise break a law according to its exact wording... but were still guilty of stupidity or malfeasance. This manner of ticket can be a deciding factor where negligence is claimed, or in civil cases that get decided on a "quantum of proof" rather than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard in criminal law.

I ranted before about how these broad laws could be applied narrowly, making just about any image of children prn, leading to us all being open to prosecution of thought crime.

It works thus: Often to support a cp (child porn) posession case if you are found with many images of children, it is easier to make a case as you can't claim one image accidentally got clicked on and stayed on your hd. So context matters: if you are a parent and have a bunch of your own kids in swim trunks, it is less damning than if you have a thousand of strangers' kids... Now say you are a professional photographer commissioned by P & G to photograph kids swimming without their bandaids falling off. You have a much better chance of getting away with having thousands of kids in bathing suits photos.

If you have thousands of actual kids-in-sexual-poses pix, the otherwise legal hoard of bathing suit photos become supporting evidence; kind of like where you are charged with having lock picks and you are not a locksmith.

The important thing being evidence of intent.

My point is that if otherwise legal images constitute evidence of intent, and the images are as stated "otherwise legal" you are essentially being damned for thought crime.

King James Bible << Matthew 5:28 >>
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
change woman to child. It would appear sinful thoughts are not far from prosecution here on earth.

now see this wiki page Coppertone girl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I claim this image, which has been reprinted on hundreds of millions of tin lids, constitutes cp under most western law (taken at its most literal.)

Angela, we need you.

By the way here's the wiki for Canadian CP laws http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_Canada. Pay special note to sections 3 & 6
 
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Like... ugh. Just, wow. If I wanna take a picture of myself naked, and, say, send it to someone my age who's like, my boyfriend... whilst it's stupid, it's none of anybody else's god damn business -_-

There are similar laws in the US and Canada, you can't take pictures of yourself if you are under 18. Several people have been arrested for it.

Porn charges for 'sexting' stir debate - Technology & science - Tech and gadgets - msnbc.com
Sexting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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The important thing being evidence of intent.

My point is that if otherwise legal images constitute evidence of intent, and the images are as stated "otherwise legal" you are essentially being damned for thought crime.

http://kingjbible.com/matthew/5.htm

Precisely the way the law can be interpreted at the moment even if you have photos of a model say the age of 25 - 30 but dressed like a child. Wearing school girl dress or toddler clothes and acting that way and then getting into different stages of undress and other things that cannot be spoken in polite company IE 95% of paid AB websites.

Because the adult is protraying as a minor for the intended sexual gratification for the 'Creepy people' this can actually be seen as CP
 
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That is the single most fucking retarded thing I have ever heard in my entire life. No offense to you Australians out there (You have some sweet accents!), but, seriously? You know, I've NEVER been happy about being an American. We're a bunch of psychotic gun-toting right winged nuts. (Not saying we're all like that, but, that's what the world thinks of us! -_- and those people tend to have the louder voices..., at least in global views) Buuuut, seriously. If we were to have a law against dressing up in youth-esque clothing and taking a picture, I'd move to Canada. Like, right now -_- That's so freakin' STUPID! Like... ugh. Just, wow. If I wanna take a picture of myself naked, and, say, send it to someone my age who's like, my boyfriend... whilst it's stupid, it's none of anybody else's god damn business -_-

Dude, do you even know how censored their games are? L4D2 to had to be censored or nearly was censored due to the pills and needles in the game. We might have right winged nut jobs in this country but they are far between at least here in the west coast. Also ever since i made the decision to want to movie to Austrailla I'ver just been seening more incentive to NOT move there.

1. wild life that has a tednacy to kill. Box jellyfish, multiple spiders multiple snakes.
2.yearly flooding it seems.
3. less then 3 popular cities even when then country is huge and has a whole damn continent to itself.
4. Massive government cenorship issues which might not be a big deal if you always lived under them. But for a American like me it's a huge issue.
5. oh and now that I know I can't have photos of me in my sleeper (PJ's) at all.. BULLSHIT!!!

Yeah, im not moving at all anymore. No matter how cool the accents or paul hogan are.
 

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To our defence :p

1. wild life that has a tednacy to kill. Box jellyfish, multiple spiders multiple snakes.
Bears, wolves, mountan lion, falcons.
2.yearly flooding it seems.
Ice cover, Cyclones, Twisters, Bush fire,
3. less then 3 popular cities even when then country is huge and has a whole damn continent to itself.
You got us there but 90% of the continent is deaset not sustainable at all
4. Massive government cenorship issues which might not be a big deal if you always lived under them. But for a American like me it's a huge issue.
FCC, FDA, Tipper Gore
5. oh and now that I know I can't have photos of me in my sleeper (PJ's) at all.. BULLSHIT!!!
Can't have digital photos and you have to be doing something naughty in those sleepers when you were taking the picture

Yeah, im not moving at all anymore. No matter how cool the accents or paul hogan are
Ya i don't like USA i like canada though ;)
 
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I love america. Literally if I was asked to give my life for it I would. I have nationality. I am a nationalist. I love my country I think there is nothing wrong with it. People say that the government is wrong and corrupt who cares? Every government is corrupt. Literally every government no exceptions every one. Also yes Canada isint bad. I've never been but then again I dont like the cold. 40 degrees is to cold for me. Australians gave us Arnold Schwarzenegger (did I spell that right?) So we wouldn't have the terminator without Australia. Well we would but it would suck.
 

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Funny ? I can´t it call in this way. WTF is take the clothes what you want ? It´s directly limit of personal liberty. Howgh.

This world is comming asshole. Here in Spain is fobiden to smoke at the bar. In future will be forbiden shot the farts in the street.
 

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To our defence :p

1. wild life that has a tednacy to kill. Box jellyfish, multiple spiders multiple snakes.
Bears, wolves, mountan lion, falcons.
Falcons lol.

Anyway, as comically terrifying as the wildlife in Australia is (and it is comical)... F the redback spider. F the Sydney funnel web spider. F the box jellyfish. F the taipan.

The gympie gympie tree. As if all the ridiculously venomous arthropods, reptiles, etc were not enough... "stinging trees". I've seen people vomit from it.

Australia is basically evidence that, if there's a deity, it has a pretty warped sense of humor.
 

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The stupidity and arrogance of the world astounds me some times. There is a fine line between helpful law and total absurdity. Seeing all these laws im waiting for some person to get arrested for CP posession. when all he has is a folder full of child sized stick figures with dicks and vaginas.

To all the stupid laws. Here's your Sign:
heres-your-sign.jpg
 

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So my little red USB drive is the Norwegian CP goldmine? AWESOME.

Also, it's funny because most of my (really awkward) ABDL fantasies involve a man that's 18 years my senior.

Written texts or books i.e. published work like Lolita or fan fiction, including original work (and it doesn’t matter if the author is a minor themselves.

Banned Books: Australia - A Selection According to this, Lolita was only banned from 1958 until 1965. I'm more concerned about how sickening I am to the Australian and Norwegian government, though.

Actually, I'm mostly concerned with the fact that I almost gave a fuck for a second there. (Bahahahaha! I'm a dirty young woman...)

The stupidity and arrogance of the world astounds me some times. There is a fine line between helpful law and total absurdity. Seeing all these laws im waiting for some person to get arrested for CP posession. when all he has is a folder full of child sized stick figures with dicks and vaginas.

I'm waiting for the day when somebody is arrested for having pictures of somebody with micropenis "because it looks like a baby's genitals" or something.
 

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I was so caught up in Australia's hilarious wildlife, I forgot to comment on the topic at hand.

My point is that if otherwise legal images constitute evidence of intent, and the images are as stated "otherwise legal" you are essentially being damned for thought crime.

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Change woman to child. It would appear sinful thoughts are not far from prosecution here on earth.
Child pornography laws are mostly thought crime laws.

Let's forget the fact that you can be put in jail for a long long time for looking at images. I mean, to me, that's ridiculous right from the get go.

At least with that people come up with bizarre arguments like your looking at a picture is somehow magically causing children to be abused. Kind of like when you look at the picture of a murdered person, you're contributing to murder. Or like how listening to mp3s contributes to the production of music (oh wait).

But now we have completely abstracted that out. Pictures of adults that dress like kids... but, hey, the police don't know the person is really an adult. You're making their job difficult. Off to jail!

Cartoon cp? Um... hold on... Ooo I know if a kid were to see it, you're completely ruining symbols of their childhood and that will f them up! Off to jail! (Where I hope you're sodomized to death by murders with shivs! Several of those who actually murdered children... but at least they just murdered them!)

Anyway, as someone who would get great personal satisfaction from murdering people who abuse/torture children (and I say that with complete creepy sincerity), most of the law and prosecutions surrounding cp are entirely ridiculous. If we could put people in jail for being sexually attracted to children (i.e. literally the thought), we'd do it in a heartbeat. I think that's been made pretty clear.

What I find interesting is that... the only leg anyone really has to stand on with the viewing of child pornography being criminal is that maybe... just maybe... child pornography induces people to want to abuse children. (Obviously, you have to forget the fact that images of other criminal acts is not at all criminal, or hey, maybe we can "fix" that problem while we're at it.) I mean, granted, there's probably no evidence for that theory. Partly because you can't really do any actual research into such things. But... maybe. It could happen. You never know. (And that's good enough, since after all, we are talking about children here. Won't somebody think of them?) Still, I can't see this reasoning being very popular though, because it means you, gentle reader, are possibly a latent pedophile. You just have not been exposed yet.

Really what it boils down to is we don't like pedophiles. Not we don't like child abusers... I mean, we don't... but that doesn't really have anything to do with us not liking pedophiles. It doesn't matter that a pedophile hasn't abused children... we just don't like him/her in general and think he/she should be in jail murdered by other inmates.

Anyway, pedophiles, just hate them or hope they all are literally crucified, CP has been mostly thought crime oriented for some time now.
 
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