For those who wish to do something about deeker and similar sites

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Hex

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[font="Calibri,Arial"]I posted this on TBDL before it became ADISC but then I was offline for a while so I don't know what became of it.

I'd guess that if you asked people who keep tb/dlism a secret why, one of the answers you'd get is:

"If I told someone and they typed it into google, one of the results they'd get would be deeker or something similar"

It's certainly one of the reasons why I haven't told anyone. Most people complain about deeker but think they can't do everything.

Normally if a site was hostign content like deeker's, you could just complain to the ISP. The problem is no-one knows who deeker's ISP is and because of the way his DNS (technical term) is set up, no-one short of a law enforcement agency can find out who hosts him to complain to.

With that option out of the way, I'm going to give a brief explanation of why deeker shows up so high in google results and how you can help change that.

Google decides what pages to show in their results by 2 factors:

Keyword relevance: In this case if the website contains terms like "infantilism" and "teen baby", google will rate it higher. There is nothing we can do about this part.

Links: If a site recieves links from other sites with keyword relevance to the same subject, Google will rate it higher. This is the part we can deal with.

What to do:

Never post a link to deeker, even if you are complaining about it. Google sees links with the following text:

"This is an example of how much of a pedo deeker is"
and
"This is a tb site"

as +1 to deeker. If you must link to deeker as an example of how bad he is, do it in a private forum which google cannot see and therefore cannot increase deeker's score on.

If you see a link to deeker on a tb site, ask the admins to remove it. If you see it on a forum, ask the poster or a moderator to delink the text. Explain that more links = higher google results for deeker. If enough links go, deeker will be relegated to page 40 or so of google's results, well enough out of the way to avoid harming others.

If you run a tb forum, set the URL of deeker in your word censor to a non-link or even ****. Different forums do this differently. If you know someone who runs a tb forum, tell them this.
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Shit, man, I remember reading this back then. It's great advice.
 

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Good advice, but may I ask...
What's deeker?
I've heard about it so much, and I don't even know what it is...
 

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Good advice, but may I ask...
What's deeker?
I've heard about it so much, and I don't even know what it is...
[font="Calibri,Arial"]Deeker is a pedophile who runs a website that comes up first on google for many ab/tb/dl searches.[/font]
 

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Yeah, Deerker's site is somewhere you don't need to go.
Spare yourself the experience.
 

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Yah, stop saying the "D" word and I don't mean diaper.

Seriously though, that is excellent advice, Sniper, I'm glad you were able to put that info together so that someone like me who is not exactly techno-savvy can understand how google decides which sites to list first and why. Hopefully in the future that site will go to the bottom of the list.
 

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I know of another tb site that request posters to not put on their post http:// which will then link the tb site back to where they are being sent. So what they suggest is to post h++p:// requiring anyone who wants to go to the specific site must then change it before going to the site given.

Just a thought.

Sorry it sounds like mud, but I hope you have an idea what I'm saying.
 
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Unfortunately, to get deeker off of the high ranks more would have to be done then ceasing links, as its already linked to alot thus his ranking is already inflated. We would need to push other sites with keywords above it, which is a bit difficult.

Though to note, unless I'm missing something, deeker is hosted by Network Solutions It's a U.S, hosted site, thus the laws of the united states do apply.
 

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[font="Calibri,Arial"]Deeker is a pedophile who runs a website that comes up first on google for many ab/tb/dl searches.[/font]
Do you have proof to that accusation?

I am not trying to defend deeker, not only since I don't really like him or his site but simply since I don't think he has legally done anything wrong.
 
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Do you have proof to that accusation?

I am not trying to defend deeker, not only since I don't really like him or his site but simply since I don't think he has legally done anything wrong.
Unfortunately no, if we had undeniable proof, obviously are community would have took action years ago. So you are right in that us calling deeker a pedophile is unfounded because all we have to run upon is the creepy user generated content as well as his own tastes that tend to squick us.
I'm not familiar with U.S. child pornography laws as much as I'd like to be, but I'm sure, or atleast hope very much, deeker has some sort of violation that a complaint to his domain may help to correct.

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A LONG and still in process read of NS's TOS, shows they aren't to keen about hosting pornographic content. People start making complaints about minors in sexual situations, *cough* maybe bring up the MFH account of child abuse being fully accounted on his site. They may not be too happy :p
 

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Note:

Please do not turn this thread into a witch hunt! The original poster's intention to advertise other, reputable AB/TB/DL sites more to get Deeker off the top rank on Google is a great idea and is most certainly helpful...and legal!

Posting Deeker's registration details here is unnecessary. It can be obtained from the net, it that should be necessary. Leave any action to the law enforcement authorities - that's what we have them for. Do not take any illegal action (hacking, spamming etc.), and do not ask other people to do so or even hint at the fact that such things can be done. If you find yourself morally superior to Deeker, do not sink to the level of a criminal to stop him - do it the legal way!

So: Any further posts dealing with illegal or morally questionable ways of removing Deeker will be deleted and/or this thread will be closed!

Peachy
 
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Erm.. I don't believe myself or anyone else stated and/or implied any illegal actions. Simply filing a complaint with his domain hoster for he violates their terms of service and acceptable use policy by hosting stories that put minors in sexual situations. Filing complaints with his ISP is a legitimate, professional and legal manner of dealing with the site. They may choose to remove it, or at the very least order him to remove the content that causes so many of us distress. The OP stated that people do not know deeker's domain host thus they are unable to file complaints which was acknowledged as the normal way one would deal with this, and unless I have missed something NS is their domain hoster allowing people to follow through on such actions. I apologize if you misinterpreted any of the statements or intentions made in this thread.
 

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I know of another tb site that request posters to not put on their post http:// which will then link the tb site back to where they are being sent. So what they suggest is to post h++p:// requiring anyone who wants to go to the specific site must then change it before going to the site given.
This is one way to announce the URL without putting up a link. On some systems, it is enough to simply leave the "http://" off. These will provide the URL to the reader, but not be counted as a link.

The basic points that people need to keep in mind are:

1) Search engines count all links as votes of support. (That is, we shouldn't put up links to websites that we don't support. We should also put up extra links to websites that we do support. )

2) There are a number of websites out there that we don't want to support. (Generally, it is safest to base this on website content, as opposed to unsupported statements about people. )
 

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Erm.. I don't believe myself or anyone else stated and/or implied any illegal actions. Simply filing a complaint with his domain hoster for he violates their terms of service and acceptable use policy by hosting stories that put minors in sexual situations. Filing complaints with his ISP is a legitimate, professional and legal manner of dealing with the site. They may choose to remove it, or at the very least order him to remove the content that causes so many of us distress. The OP stated that people do not know deeker's domain host thus they are unable to file complaints which was acknowledged as the normal way one would deal with this, and unless I have missed something NS is their domain hoster allowing people to follow through on such actions. I apologize if you misinterpreted any of the statements or intentions made in this thread.

The posts were deleted that Peachy was implying about...But it's a good message for everyone
 

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Erm.. I don't believe myself or anyone else stated and/or implied any illegal actions.
I never said it was illegal to report the content of a site to the company that hosts it. However, that can surely be done without posting his whois info on this site, because it bears no relevance to ADISC. In addition, at least under my country's laws, it's borderline libel to describe Deeker's website as a pedophile hangout and then post his complete whois info. That's why I said let the authorities deal with this stuff - if they think the site is illegal, they should do something about it. Of course that requires people to report the site to the authorities, and we should indeed discourage people from going there, but until Deeker has been found guilty by a court of law, you should be careful what you say.

Peachy
 
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The posts were deleted that Peachy was implying about...But it's a good message for everyone
Fair enough, I wasn't aware of those post,s hence it seemed they were directed at myself as i posted his whois info. And peachy speaks very broadly so I'm not sure where I'm being addressed and where it's general.

However, that can surely be done without posting his whois info on this site, because it bears no relevance to ADISC.
I'm a bit confused then, how is myself assisting people in being able to report deekers site any less relevant to adisc then the original posters suggestions of stopping the inflation of deeker's google rating?

Furthermore, I did make my post in direct response to the OP for sole intention of assisting, and not to inspire any shortsighted and illegal actions.

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Normally if a site was hostign content like deeker's, you could just complain to the ISP. The problem is no-one knows who deeker's ISP is and because of the way his DNS (technical term) is set up, no-one short of a law enforcement agency can find out who hosts him to complain to.

With that option out of the way, [/font]
In addition, at least under my country's laws, it's borderline libel to describe Deeker's website as a pedophile hangout and then post his complete whois info.
My countries law has a lot to do with justified accusation, and considering certain sections of deekers website that are user generated content, such as the sitings section, it would be quite rational in claiming it does have a surplus of content from people with at the least pedophilic fantasies.
But as for calling deeker himself a pedophile, I agree, it's presumptuous of anyone to make such a claim.
Mako said:
Unfortunately no, if we had undeniable proof, obviously are community would have took action years ago. So you are right in that us calling deeker a pedophile is unfounded because all we have to run upon is the creepy user generated content as well as his own tastes that tend to squick us.
 

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I believe by law in order for Deeker to be considered a child porn site, he would have to have pictures of not just naked children, but children considered to be in sexually compromising acts. There are plenty of "pedophile" sites on the net, many of them legal. Pedophilia can be legally promoted, such as sites promoted and encouraged by Nambla. Legally, certain lines have to be crossed. I believe you can print almost any kind of content in a story, and it is legal. Any kind of art work is legal, such as drawings of naked children having sex with one another, or with adults. There are movements afoot to change that, but so far they have not passed congress to my knowledge. Thus any Deeker story is legal as are drawings and thus not pornography. Pedophilia is legal on the net. Child porn is not. By these standards, Deeker has not crossed the line.

edit: I occurred to me, I am not promoting what Deeker does or says, so please don't misunderstand. I am not defending whoever Deeker is. I'm just saying that there is a difference between being a pedophile on line, and practicing pedophilia, or posting illegal pornography.
 
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I believe by law in order for Deeker to be considered a child porn site, he would have to have pictures of not just naked children, but children considered to be in sexually compromising acts. There are plenty of "pedophile" sites on the net, many of them legal. Pedophilia can be legally promoted, such as sites promoted and encouraged by Nambla. Legally, certain lines have to be crossed. I believe you can print almost any kind of content in a story, and it is legal. Any kind of art work is legal, such as drawings of naked children having sex with one another, or with adults. There are movements afoot to change that, but so far they have not passed congress to my knowledge. Thus any Deeker story is legal as are drawings and thus not pornography. Pedophilia is legal on the net. Child porn is not. By these standards, Deeker has not crossed the line.
Now I'm not sure of any cases that specifically notes stories. But the protect act of 2003 prohibits the virtual depictions of minors in sexually explicit scenes. And I know of one arrest and charge of a man for possessing pornography of the main characters of pokemon as they were underage. Granted this law is 5 years old, and I'm not aware of anything thats challenged it yet. Also it's not to say that I support this action either, as it restricts art and is extremely vague.

Now that statement of mine stating we may be violating something along those lines may be very well jumping the gun. But going through the terms of service and the acceptable use policy of his domain hoster, he is infact violating their rules. If someone chose to put a claim into them on those basis, it would be completely legitimate. If acted upon, he would have to rather remove the offending material, or lose his hosting.

edit: I occurred to me, I am not promoting what Deeker does or says, so please don't misunderstand. I am not defending whoever Deeker is. I'm just saying that there is a difference between being a pedophile on line, and practicing pedophilia, or posting illegal pornography.
Oh, of course not and I agree. Accusing deeker of being attracted to minors is unfounded, he may very well simply have a projectionist fantasy of being a minor being taken advantage of. Fantasy is something that I can hardly condemn someone upon.
 
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