Figures above posts...?

[Dash]

So I'm seeing +2 and +3 above certain users' posts... what's this all about?

Obviously assuming it's to do with rep, having the "shiny green light" next to it.

Whatever it is, I have something to say on it... which I will continue with when I know for fact what it is... anyone?

 

[FullMetal]

I believe Moo is trying to configure the the forum so when someone receives Reputation for a certain it is shown above that same post.

FullMetal

 

[BluTack]

I believe Moo is trying to configure the the forum so when someone receives Reputation for a certain it is shown above that same post.

FullMetal

ir8:Indeed.

 

[Vladimir]

I believe Moo is trying to configure the the forum so when someone receives Reputation for a certain it is shown above that same post.

FullMetal

What he said.

 

[starshine]

Well, I know it's not working right. I've seen a few of -my- posts that have like, +4 when I've only received two positive rep comments, and one of my posts that didn't have anything, when I know I received neg. rep for it.

Maybe it's still in the developing stage?

If this is what it is though, I have to say I'm not too fond of the idea.

Lets say there is a post with +2 on it, and it's a great post. Someone may -not- give rep because they think "Oh, that person already got 2 rep points, no need for me to give it to them," Or maybe they would rep them, JUST because they saw everyone else was.

 

[FullMetal]

In regards to Mandi's post. For the positive reputation, I think it would be good if someone went "oh that person has +3reps for that post, I don't believe I should give him any more" because reputation is just a little reminder and I believe that more that 2 or 3 positive reputation points should be enoguh for the average good thread/post. On a certain other aspect, I like the idea in regards to negative reputation because if someone sees that a person received 4 negative reputation for one post they will be like "Oh, I think he gets it" Because in certain cases I do not think it is necessary to give 10 negative reputation points for something if someone has already learned they made a mistake from their first or second negative reputation.

FullMetal

 

[Vladimir]

I assume Moo will give more information about it as it's being tested and developed.

 

[starshine]

Yes Full, that's something that works both ways. Giving both positive and negative. You are right on the negative reputation, but at the same time, you can't make a rule about neg. repping someone only once or twice, and not the positive. I think a post should be able to have over 2 or 3 positive rep points if the person deserves it. Personally, I think about 5 or 6 of my rep points come from Lacey's Big Change. I don't see a problem with that, considering that story took me a long time to write, if a person reads it and likes it they should be able to give me rep for it, even negative rep if they find a reason to.

 

[chevre]

I like it because it flags posts as good or bad, and users on the forum can get an idea of what other users are giving rep for. Also, I think people will be less likely to give frivolous rep because people will see that a random post got repped and wonder what's up.

 

[Moo]

I believe Moo is trying to configure the the forum so when someone receives Reputation for a certain it is shown above that same post.

Correct.

Well, I know it's not working right. I've seen a few of -my- posts that have like, +4 when I've only received two positive rep comments, and one of my posts that didn't have anything, when I know I received neg. rep for it.

Maybe it's still in the developing stage?

Correct. I'm still working the bugs out of it.

If this is what it is though, I have to say I'm not too fond of the idea.

Lets say there is a post with +2 on it, and it's a great post. Someone may -not- give rep because they think "Oh, that person already got 2 rep points, no need for me to give it to them," Or maybe they would rep them, JUST because they saw everyone else was.

Maybe! But... we don't know until we try, do we?
Lets see how it goes. If it is helpful, I'll keep it.

 

[avery]

another possible problem with the idea is that if you see that someone has gotten negative rep for a post, and you believe it was unjustified, you might try to "correct" it by giving them positive rep. i remember we had a problem like that in the past.

but it could also be a really good thing. sometimes if i see a really great post i won't give it positive rep because i'll assume that everyone else already has. it'd be nice to know for sure. it could also prevent people from being neg-repped into oblivion for one faulty post.

 

[starshine]

Yep, your right Moo! Don't know until you try, and I am interested to see how it turns out. Thanks for clearing things up, and, yet again, doing something to improve the forum and make it more interesting!!

You have a good point, Chevre.

 

[Raccoon]

I approve of Avery's point, as I have seen a newbie or two make a post that would have been appropriate at diaper-bois or 4chan or some such place, but not here, and got negrepped into oblivion for it, probably without really understanding why they were hit so hard. This is part of why I would like people with -rep to have the repcount hidden. (Read "The Scarlet Letter.")
On the other hand, there was a certain boy-lover who came here and bemoaned how he had a crush on a boy he knew, and was tormented by temptation... And got huge +rep for being honest and sympathetic (and writing reasonably well.) Like +10 for one introductory post. While I found the phenomenon fascinating, it clearly showed that the rep system wasn't doing what it was supposed to do, in this rare instance, though it worked properly in nearly all other cases.

As long as posts show how much rep they got, would it be possible to have a search function to look for high-repped posts? Obviously they would be archived 1. by repcount 2. ones with equal repcount shown in date order. Also, (and this is of great interest to raccoons: ) I would love to see both the +rep and -rep a post got, not just the netrep. I like that certain posts could earn + & -, and would like to see them... They would, apart from other things, be a barometer as to the community's attitudes...

Examples of posts that could earn both + and - rep:

any kind of porn, including softcore
crotch-shot avatars (especially nice ones)
violent images
strong opinions on controversial topics
ganging up on an unpopular member/post
satire, where some take the post literally while others find it funny or poignant
long, detailed posts (tl;dr if I want a lecture I will move back with my parents / fully explained, well done. Now I get it.)
memes which some find funny, others consider against the rules

 

[Moo]

another possible problem with the idea is that if you see that someone has gotten negative rep for a post, and you believe it was unjustified, you might try to "correct" it by giving them positive rep. i remember we had a problem like that in the past.

That is the main reason I'm going to watch this carefully, and if I see a lot of that happening, uninstall the mod.

but it could also be a really good thing. sometimes if i see a really great post i won't give it positive rep because i'll assume that everyone else already has. it'd be nice to know for sure. it could also prevent people from being neg-repped into oblivion for one faulty post.

That is how I hope the system will be used

 

[Dawes]

I approve of Avery's point, as I have seen a newbie or two make a post that would have been appropriate at diaper-bois or 4chan or some such place, but not here, and got negrepped into oblivion for it, probably without really understanding why they were hit so hard. This is part of why I would like people with -rep to have the repcount hidden. (Read "The Scarlet Letter.")
On the other hand, there was a certain boy-lover who came here and bemoaned how he had a crush on a boy he knew, and was tormented by temptation... And got huge +rep for being honest and sympathetic (and writing reasonably well.) Like +10 for one introductory post. While I found the phenomenon fascinating, it clearly showed that the rep system wasn't doing what it was supposed to do, in this rare instance, though it worked properly in nearly all other cases.

As long as posts show how much rep they got, would it be possible to have a search function to look for high-repped posts? Obviously they would be archived 1. by repcount 2. ones with equal repcount shown in date order. Also, (and this is of great interest to raccoons: ) I would love to see both the +rep and -rep a post got, not just the netrep. I like that certain posts could earn + & -, and would like to see them... They would, apart from other things, be a barometer as to the community's attitudes...

Examples of posts that could earn both + and - rep:

any kind of porn, including softcore
crotch-shot avatars (especially nice ones)
violent images
strong opinions on controversial topics
ganging up on an unpopular member/post
satire, where some take the post literally while others find it funny or poignant
long, detailed posts (tl;dr if I want a lecture I will move back with my parents / fully explained, well done. Now I get it.)
memes which some find funny, others consider against the rules

RACCOON! Do you realize that you literally just made a modern-day relation to The Scarlet Letter? I didn't think it was possible -- I didn't think that the tale of the turmoil of Hester Prynne really had any purpose existing in the modern world ... but you made it happen.

You bastard, they'll be teaching it to unwilling high-school students for twenty more generations to come! *Winks* You do make a great point otherwise, though!

 

[Peachy]

another possible problem with the idea is that if you see that someone has gotten negative rep for a post, and you believe it was unjustified, you might try to "correct" it by giving them positive rep. i remember we had a problem like that in the past.

This could be solved by only displaying positive reputation, as an example of what kind of posts are welcome by the community and receive reputation. Then the rep numbers on posts are solely an instrument to encourage good posts, and not to discourage bad posts. Bad posts are usually obvious enough.

Peachy

 

[Dash]

I agree with Avery's point, and Peachy's solution

Overall, yes it's a good idea as it allows us to share what we believe is generally a good post and hence allows users to understand why it's a good post, but at the same time there's... I dunno...
It's unlikely, and quite a crazy perspective to take; but if everybody starts posting in the same style or practically follows in another user's footsteps when it comes to posting, then we'd all be posting pretty high quality feedback in a way, and then you'd either a) raise the bar for the definition of a "good post" and therefore it *could* become somewhat competitive... or b) stop giving rep because there's so many bloody good posts!
I know it sounds harsh, but we kinda need the balance of good and bad posts so we can actually define a difference between the two... does that make sense?
*confuses himself*

Basically - we should maybe let people think for themselves about what makes a good quality post... rather than shoving representitive numbers down each other's throats

 

[PuddleFopsKit]

I was wondering what was up with this.. I've seen a lot..

 

[Trevor]

another possible problem with the idea is that if you see that someone has gotten negative rep for a post, and you believe it was unjustified, you might try to "correct" it by giving them positive rep. i remember we had a problem like that in the past.

I've already faced temptation for this once today, coming across a post that while nothing special, didn't seem to warrant negative attention. I know that the spurious negative rep must come from somewhere, but having it like this makes it more tangible, which has its good and bad points.

 

[Martin]

You have to remember that sometimes rep is given to posts because you can't give rep in certain things like blogs etc. so it then has nothing to do with the post. That could be a/the reason.