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Faking being mentally challenged

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Calico

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I was talking to one of my DL friends online and he asked me if I would be a baby in public and I told him no because it be too embarrassing. He told me I can fake being retarded having a mind of a two year old and I told him I can't do that because it be very dishonest and I don't like the idea of people faking disabilities. He told me I wouldn't really be faking it, if anyone asks, my bf would just tell them I have a mind of a two year old and I'd be too embarrassed to say anything. Then I realized it be no different than me wearing diapers out in public and someone accidentally sees them on me and I said I am incontinent so they won't judge me. So if someone was being an AB out in public and someone asked about it and their partner said they have a mind of a two year old just so they won't be judged is no different than saying someone is incontinent because they don't want to be judged. Thoughts?

It's not like someone is pretending to have a mind of a two year old so they can get extra services such as social security or try and get a out of free jail card when they commit a crime, that be wrong just like it's wrong for a DL or an AB to pretend to be incontinent so he or she get free diapers from the gov or have them prescribed to them by a doctor so they won't have to pay for them.


Or what about someone pretending to be mentally challenged and his mother hires a nurse to take care of him but he is paying for it out of his own pocket but his mom writes out the checks to the nurse and the son pays her back. Thoughts?
 
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Absolutely not. I think that is offensive. It's one thing to accidently get caught wearing in public and make up an excuse. It's entirely another to go out as a baby (whether dressed as one or behaving as one), making it impossible to not call attention to yourself, and using that excuse to justify it. It violates the cardinal rule that you don't draw attention to yourself in public and takes advantage of a slew of unfortunate medical conditions to do it.
 
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Hmmm...I'm not going to come at this from a P.C. point of view because I think that's a tired, useless viewpoint that has no relevance to anything. That said, I guess...hmm. I'm having a tough time developing an opinion on this one. Kudos for coming up with a stumper, at the very least.

I guess it's all well and good until you meet someone you know. :D

I don't necessarily agree with foisting your fetish on the public at large under any guise, though. And if you don't do a good enough acting job, a lot of parents are going to have a lot of explaining to do. Hell, you'll be lucky if you don't have a lot of explaining to do for the cops. lol
 
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Absolutely not. I think that is offensive. It's one thing to accieently get caught wearing in public and make up an excuse. It's entirely another to go out as a baby, making it impossible to not call attention to yourself, and using that excuse to justify it. It violates the cardinal rule that you don't draw attention to yourself in public and takes advantage of a slew of unfortunate medical conditions to do it.
My sentiments exactly. Theres a difference between accident and intentional.
 

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I've entertained fantasies along the lines of what your talking about. However i would never consider doing it irl. Its lying and thrusting your fetish in people's faces even if they don't know it.
 

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I'm really not sure how to answer this. I can see the dishonesty and problems with pretending to mentally challenged in public, but I can also see it from the perspective of someone who would find the thrill out of it. All in all, it's a dishonest thing to do, but if people are determined enough to do it, they'll do it.

As for comparing it to diapers, well that's just splitting hairs. If you think it's right, then go ahead and continue with it. With diapers, you're hiding them much better, and not thrusting it into people's faces. It's better not to think about the moral aspects as with something like a fetish.

As for faking any disability, well then I'm afraid I'm going to have to go against it, because I have a fetish: casts and braces. I wouldn't mind wearing those in public, and people would probably just think I broke something. There are so many problems and whatnot with this D:
 

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umm truthfully you are very vague but here i go. mental disability yes i would never do it but you know they're are some crazy people that would do this and not even think about it. for like incontinent that is a completely different realm.
for jail well some people literally have untrained themselves and some are members here at adisc. so some have to. some want them and will pretend to be. not this group because you have to pay for those you know i have had two family members and both have to pay for things like razors then again it may be filed under necessity enough that they will give you some. i say might because deodorant isn't sadly to say. and razors nope you have to pay for almost everything. Me personally don't plan on ever going to jail. but who knows i might do something stupid. sorry sidetrack anyways you probably will wan't to if you get jailed. and as for comparing it to diapers i really don't see how it compares. i mean acting like a two year old because they don't want to be judged i think i get but saying someone is incontinent because they don't want to be judged is different. true incontinence is uncontrollable and if you mean they wear under cloths then still it makes no point also. now if you mean wearing diapers withnothing covering out in public now that makes sense. now i am going to stop rambling now:educate:
 

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The difference between this lie and the lie about being incontinent is that accidentally revealing a diaper and saying "I'm incontinent" is accidental and acceptable, whereas going out acting like a baby and have somebody saying that you're disabled is purposefully exposing yourself.

But then... I can see your point: If on-lookers all assume you're challenged, then what's the harm? Them seeing you is just like them seeing a real challenged person, and so consequentially there's no difference.

I guess it boils down to your ethical system: If you're a utilitarian (only consequences matter), then this would be perfectly acceptable, assuming you could be sure you wouldn't get caught. I personally despise utilitarians, and I think there's to play than that.
 

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Faking being mentally challenged - NEVER ACCEPTABLE, EVER!

:bunny:Firstly, Calico, this was one of your best thought out and written threads so far. Good job!

I can see no reason why any adult would want or need to be "outed" in public dressed and acting like a baby. Period. Period!

Having worked with those with developmental disabilities all my life (In the Special Education field since 1974), I take even more offense that someone would intentionally claim to be retarded to allow them to behave publicly that way. This is a shameful, offensive and demeaning act to those who truly have disabilities of any kind.

Besides, we do not dress those with disabilities to appear to be the same chronological age as their mental age. Even if non-ambulatory, we do not push them around in baby strollers or carriages (sorry Pramrider). We attempt to provide as much dignity and decorum as possible, so they can be part of the mainstream of our society.

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It's not like someone is pretending to have a mind of a two year old so they can get extra services such as social security or try and get a out of free jail card when they commit a crime, that be wrong just like it's wrong for a DL or an AB to pretend to be incontinent so he or she get free diapers from the gov or have them prescribed to them by a doctor so they won't have to pay for them.


It is my understanding that due to US Discrimination Law (Section 508: Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973)
a person that is known or perceived by others to be disabled is entitled to receive the SAME benefits as a person with a true disability. This type of deception over a long enough period of time COULD result in a person getting benefits that he/she may have otherwise not be entitled to.

Say, if a person moved into an apartment building and displayed these kinds of behaviors to neighbors, and all the neighbors believed that this person had the mind of a two-year-old. Over the course of say, 3-10 years, and given that this individual would never be seen or heard out of character, while out and in the town or community. This could be enough to the claim provisions of 504 to receive certain governmental benefits. This is a very slippery slope, but it is conceivable that it could happen.

IMO, There are already enough too many Americans playing that (deception) game to get UNDESERVED BENEFITS to a lesser extent, with their blue handicapped tags on their cars.

Some to park as close to the front of a store so they can sprint in front of you, for others, so they can park their monster SUV at the end of some mountain road to be closer to the rock climbing wall they want to climb, or Expert ski slope they are about to ski or snowboard down. - Disability my ass! It's ludicrous!

And yes, Virginia, I do realize that this post has strayed some what off topic. Sorry!:bunny:
 
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Yeah.... let's also forget the fact that someone who knows this persons NAME could easily check thier work history, education, tax records, court record, driving record, friends, family, whatever.

I would actually look forward to watching that blow up in their face. Who the hell dresses up a mentally-challenged ADULT to look like a 2 year old anyways?
The whole idea is stupid, and I hope that person gets caught, big time.
 

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Yeah.... let's also forget the fact that someone who knows this persons NAME could easily check thier work history, education, tax records, court record, driving record, friends, family, whatever.
If someone knows the person, then they would know they aren't mentally challenged. They wouldn't have to go through all that record crap.
 

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Okay, here's my opinion on this. Wearing a diaper in public (if that is what you really want to do) is just an act of wearing something. Just like wearing a t-shirt saying "I'm with Stupid ->". It doesn't necessarily mean you are incontinent, though that would be a reasonable assumption.

Going out and acting like you are mentally challenged is not just a simple action, but an all-out deception, and an insulting one to those that are mentally challenged, for how can you "act" mentally challenged without playing out stereotypes?

Basic point - bad idea and insulting. Don't do it, Cartman!
 

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Pojo, I just meant if someone were even partially curious, they could find out they are faking it by fairly simple means with only knowing the person's name and not much else. :detective3 I'm sure plenty of people would suspect that something's not quite right with a grown up dressed like an infant.

Why would an adult be dressed up like a baby in the first place? It makes no f'ing sense. :wallbash:

But seriously, does this person really hope to decieve so many people by such a dim-witted tactic?
 

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This reminds me of when I was 11 years old and spending the summer with my mother's bosses kid who was 12 and crazy. We were living on our own in a beach house in New Jersey, and he decided to go into a store and talk like he had a cleft pallet. I begged him not to, as I found it embarrassing, but he did anyway, walked up to the counter and ordered something from the man behind the counter. The man spoke back to him, obviously sounding like he had a cleft pallet and said it wasn't nice to make fun of people like that. Then he continued speaking in a normal voice. My friend got put in his place. I was glad, but even more embarrassed for being with this idiot. I think the lesson applies to the above situation.
 
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This reminds me of when I was 11 years old and spending the summer with my mother's bosses kid who was 12 and crazy. We were living on our own in a beach house in New Jersey, and he decided to go into a store and talk like he had a cleft pallet. I begged him not to, as I found it embarrassing, but he did anyway, walked up to the counter and ordered something from the man behind the counter. The man spoke back to him, obviously sounding like he had a cleft pallet and said it wasn't nice to make fun of people like that. Then he continued speaking in a normal voice. My friend got put in his place. I was glad, but even more embarrassed for being with this idiot. I think the lesson applies to the above situation.
This reminds me of a semi-similar story of when I was at a pool with some family friends. It was just coming out of Winter and we were all at the local swimming pool (doesn't get too cold here usually). My friend got out of the pool and was shivering like crazy and it caused him to speak with a bit of a stutter. So he went back to where we had all set up to grab his towel, but he couldn't find it. He asked another friend's father if he had seen it, but it kind of came out like "H-h-have y-you seen m-m-my towel?" Now this friend's father actually had a legitimate stutter and I guess he was overly sensitive about because he just went completely off at my friend for speaking like that to him, even though it wasn't his intention to
 

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blue handicapped tags on their cars.

Some to park as close to the front of a store so they can sprint in front of you, for others, so they can park their monster SUV at the end of some mountain road to be closer to the rock climbing wall they want to climb, or Expert ski slope they are about to ski or snowboard down. - Disability my ass! It's ludicrous!

And yes, Virginia, I do realize that this post has strayed some what off topic. Sorry
my mom has one of those but she has it because she takes my grandma places but not to say she hasn't used it at wally world a Christmas time
 
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I'm with most people here in that this is a very offensive, inappropriate idea.

I have spent my entire life dealing with family members who have mental challenges. It makes life very difficult for their friends and family; not because these people need special care (which they do, but love makes that no so much of an issue) but because of the constant judgment and presumption that outside parties demonstrate. Faking being mentally challenged is inappropriate as a joke and even more innapropriate when using it for your own self gain or to fulfill a fantasy. It is degrading to people who actually do have mental disorders and offensive to both others and to yourself.

That being said, I can understand why you would want to go out into public in baby mode. This is something both I and my boyfriend have done on a couple occasions, but we were dressed as adults, did not go around speaking like babies to everyone, and did nothing that would make us stand out in a crowd. Really,all we did was cling on to our caregiver and let them take care of us and handle anything that needed to be handled. See the difference? To apply the same concept to another situation, you can be submissive and serving in public without walking around in a bondage suit. Do you understand what I'm saying?

In conclusion, there's nothing wrong with being little in public, so long as you're discreet about it and don't use someone else's plight as a way to save your own reputation.
 
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I would NEVER do that, because as someone on disability due to my severe ADHD, autism and among other things... I would never do that because I think it's DUMB. I would never fake it because I know people who are mentally challenged and I don't find it cool at all. I've heard stories over the years of people faking it to get their diapers changed, but they get found out.

I never understood why people would want to do that. Don't they know boundaries between reality and fantasy?

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Wow, I recieved neg-rep... "flat out insulting"

Maybe you, whoever you are, should realize how insulting it is to fake a mental illness in a rather rediculous and obviously over-the-top manner just to have an excuse to act like a baby.
That is insulting to a large number of people, and not just the mentally challenged.

Reflect on that, please.

I certainly hope you understand that even the mentally challenged people don't dress like babies. Their 'care takers' don't dress them up like babies.
It just ain't happening, sorry to shatter your dreams, but that master plan is chock full of flaws, and the person will be caught.
 
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