Enemas + Pre-existing Problems - Got some questions... Not sure if right forum X3

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PrincessSara

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hi there, I'm (X)posting today because I'm wondering if anyone out there knows how safe giving yourself a enema (the 'hang a bag up and stick a hose in your butt' kind, not the fleets/one-shot dealios) is when you have undiagonsed intestinal/bowel problems?

if you're just going to tell me to ask a doctor first don't even bother posting please :\ explanations to why are below.

I was going to plan and buy a kit and only use the same water I drink (bottled spring water) warmed up. I've tried suppositories and the marshmallow trick and those were way too harsh on my body in how they pull moisture around. I may or may not have an ulcer/polyps but it'll be a good half year or more before I know anything; I'm chronically ill in other ways but that's beside the point because it can't always be dreary and no fun, right? :\

Regarding that I've been on a waitlist forever to see a gastro specialist but the healthcare system here (canada) is a complete joke and my doctor...well, I hate my doctor but theres no way to get another as there's a shortage to the point you just can't, most people don't even have one. I've thought about asking him but honestly without revealing it's for you know, experimentation/play, I don't know how to really phrase it :S I mean I've told him of my issues and that I sometimes get really constipated but he always just suggests changing my diet/etc so...

But yeah, just trying to gauge the risks/benefits/etc with doing this, and seeing if anyone's been in a similar boat/has advice. Lemme know.
 

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I would say to eat a lot of green olives as they are natural born laxitives that can help with constipation:grouphug:
 

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I wasn't asking about other forms of laxatives, and it wouldn't always be for constipation anyway ;)
 

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I'm not sure that I've ever seen a Canadian actually call the Canadian healthcare system a joke. That's usually reserved for Americans who have no idea what they're talking about.

It's not a joke, and using medical interventions when they interact with medical conditions is not a joke either. This is a question for a doctor, not an internet forum, and the doctor-patient relationship is one where they are there to answer your questions, including the sensitive ones that are awkward to ask.
 

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my doctor and the healthcare system IS a joke. to let someone suffer in daily pain and worsening capability to do things because their undiagonsed (and quote on quote 'undiagnosable' problems) are something they just have to 'live with' instead of getting treated and not offer any form of pain management either, is a joke and a horribly cruel one at that.
I already went over in my OP that there's not even a way to get second opinions here, and that my history with the healthcare system of 'medical professionals' is one of woe, but apparently you're still insistent I talk to Crackers the Quacky Duck about wanting to send water up my rear somehow, without even offering how you'd go about doing that when the reason is for 'play purposes'. Just don't next time.

I posted here because I thought others have done/thought about doing similar things/had similar issues, not to be judged and told off by someone. if you don't have anything helpful to say outside what was already refuted in the OP, why say anything?
 

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I already went over in my OP that there's not even a way to get second opinions here, and that my history with the healthcare system of 'medical professionals' is one of woe, but apparently you're still insistent I talk to Crackers the Quacky Duck about wanting to send water up my rear somehow, without even offering how you'd go about doing that when the reason is for 'play purposes'. Just don't next time.

Make an appointment for your ongoing GI issues. Ask the question during the appointment.

I highly doubt there are no other doctors available, but I could imagine scenarios where there aren't many conveniently located if you live in a relatively rural area. If you feel your doctor-patient relationship is so sour, you might have to consider other doctors which are a substantial distance away.


I posted here because I thought others have done/thought about doing similar things/had similar issues, not to be judged and told off by someone. if you don't have anything helpful to say outside what was already refuted in the OP, why say anything?

While your thread may have asked for medical advice, that is not something that we are qualified to provide. The best we can do is insist that you seek out actual medical advice, even if that's not what you were hoping to hear.
 

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that sounds more like what YOU can offer, not what others that have had similar issues can potentially, this thread never was directed towards anyone aside from those people.

also you want me to call up my health authority tomorrow and hear the same thing I've been told forever? that there are no doctors accepting no patients anywhere in this city or the two within driving capability of me in either direction? cuz if that'll make you happy I will. I don't have the transportation or capability to go any farther than that, my current is already plenty far away as it is.

did you even READ my OP fully? I said I've asked questions about my GI issues before and he's given me bupkiss for solutions before citing diet and other things I can't feasibly change (yay I'm poor and barely feed myself and only get luxuries like diapers when I get tax-refunds and such) on my income. you give doctors everywhere way too much credit, they aren't the end-all solution makers you claim them to be.
 

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No-one is saying that doctors have all the solutions, just that they are far more likely to have them then a group of medically-unqualified strangers on an Internet forum. And you have legal recourse if they give bad advice.

Attempting any kind of invasive treatment on an undiagnosed internal condition without medical supervision is inherently dangerous.

In the case of enemas, the risks include bowel perforation, ruptured appendix, heart arrhythmia, electrolytic imbalance and microbial infection. And that's using liquids that are designed for the job. Spring water isn't.

Ask your doctor. Just because he can't diagnose your condition doesn't mean he can't explain the risks of a particular course of self-treatment.

I really sympathise with your frustration, but we aren't qualified to offer medical advice. Internal problems are matters for experts. You wouldn't have been referred to a GI specialist if it was something simple.
 

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I knows....its just...frankly I don't think I'm going to be around much longer with how my OTHER health issues have been going...so I'm kinda grasping at straws regarding ways to add to my self-care things (ie ageplay/diapers/etc).... I don't feel like my doctor is any 'expert' though and wish I could actually get another one...heck I dreams of it, but I'm more likely to end up deads than get treatment for all my ailments. Chronic illlness/pain sufferers are neglected and ignored by those that are the only ones that can helps all the time...it's because they go or...choose the other route...that you don't hear much about it outside support groups and such.
I'm sorrys for wasting all your times .__.
 

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The biggest issue with what you have mentioned above that i have is you need to consider what a pre-existing condition might to if you do something like an enema.

Think about this - if you have an ulcer in the bowel that is a thinning of the wall of the intestines. If you add water and stretch the lining of an already thinned lining you are at an increased risk of perforating your bowel. This wouldn't be a minor thing at all really. Perforation of the bowel can kill people, mainly because your abdominal cavity is not meant to have faeces inside of it. And even if they can clean it out then there are a lot of antibiotics that will be needed to treat bacteria that usually live inside you bowel that have ended up in your abdomen. (i.e. this means that if perforation occurred it would be extremely painful, not a lot of fun, require lots of antibiotics and a very long stay in hospital not to mention more expenses with medical care then what you can probably afford at the moment).

Now, granted, that is the worst case scenario that can occur. And usually, I'm of the opinion that enemas (when done in small volumes and people do them as their bodies let them know how its going and to stop if something doesn't feel right).

The thing you have to remember is that contrary to what people think ... sticking water into your rectum won't be any less dehydrating then using the fleet enemas/suppositories. Why is that? That is because of a two phenomena 1)Osmosis and 2) gradient diffusion. You are putting water that is less salty (and contains less other important salts in your body) into a space that has a membrane that on the other side has more salts/proteins and other things. This creates a gradient across your intestinal wall. Of which salts moves out into the water you just put into your bottom end (because the salts inside your body are more concentrated then the salts of the water you used) and by basic laws of fluids - the salts move out. In the body, when salts move, water tends to follow in that direction. So the net result is that water will move out as well.

The next thing you need to consider is the fact that you have an undiagnosed issue. What do you think will happen if you mix that unknown condition with something you don't really need at this point in time? In short, it is likely to change the way things are in your body and could potentially confuse any doctors in the future from being able to actually give you a diagnosis.

If it was me, at this stage i would hold off (no pun) on doing this kind of thing. The risk is quite high and you could delay getting a proper diagnosis when you are actually seen by a doctor about your problems.

I understand that your GI issue might just be a polyp of something else benign, but until tests are done and a diagnosis is made, there is no idea what is going on. And risking the unknown with something that at this stage you don't really need to be doing is not a good idea - that is how people end up getting really hurt.

I know its not fun being unable to do some of these things that you want to try. I have been there (in fact most of us have been there at some point in time with one thing or another we wanted to try but just weren't able to for whatever reason). I haven't been in your exact situation, so you are right in saying that i don't know what it is exactly like for you. But that is part of what being an adult is about. Making responsible and logical choices and sometimes, having to put aside things we want/would like to do and doing the right thing. At this stage, the right thing is to hold off on this sort of thing until you know what is going on. Once your issue is sorted out, then at least you know what is going on and can do this kind of thing as you wanted to.
 

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Friutkity, OPs experience with the Canadian health system sounds par for the course. A lot of people have a similar story.
 

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I don't know what I'm going to do for insurance =S
I won't have any income in 2016
 

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