Do you think the death penalty deters crime?

Do you think the death penalty deters crime

  • Yes, it does

    Votes: 13 26.0%
  • No, it doesn't

    Votes: 31 62.0%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 6 12.0%

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Ace

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Hey everyone,

In another topic, the death penalty was brought up, and rather than steer that other thread off course I figured I'd make another one.

Anyway, I'm wondering what your feelings are as to whether the death penalty deters crime and also your views on capital punishment in general.

I think it can deter crime, and I don't think we are strict enough with it. I say bring back the firing squad or ol' sparky. I think our new ol'squirty lethal injection is too nice for people that caused extreme pain and torture to their victims.
 

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The whole point of jail is reform. To potentially become a better person. Who are we to say who lives and dies? Lock 'em up for life, that'll teach them more than death, hell, some people want to die. It's not fair, it takes away the right to life, and it's ineffective. And if we euthanize a murderer, are we any better then them? It really is just a revenge killing.

I suggest watching Dead Man Walking.
 

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I definitely think it deters crime among those that stop to think about the consequences of what they might be about to do. Those that don't think are the ones that are lined up for the chair. You might be right about the whole "too nice" thing, but my main concern is making sure the the death sentence is applied correctly every time. There is no room for error when passing judgment.
 

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I'd rather see 10 guilty men go free than one man executed for something he didn't do. So no, I don't really support the death penalty. I suppose it's okay for very extreme circumstances, but that isn't often. Oh and Countries without the death penalty seem to be doing just fine. Do I think the death penalty deters crime? I guess sometimes it does, but it's obviously not good enough.
 
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I'm with you Ace... I think we should incorporate full-force the death penalty, and make it awful. I don't agree with having people on deathrow forever and a day either. If you're on deathrow, it should be a waiting period of maybe a year, but no more!! Why have a deathrow if people sit there waiting for it for 15 years or so? I just don't get it...
 

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The problem with the death penalty is that the court systems are, and never will be 100% right. There is always the chance that someone is wrongfully convincted. Even if it is a 10000:1 chance, it can happen, and has happened. The old addage 'an eye for an eye' is a little crude in my opinion.

And besides, the crimes that warrant the death penalty (in the states that have it, anyway) are committed by people thinking they will not get caught, or by people who aren't in a proper frame of mind. In either case, I don't think it would deter them.

*I just want to say that I wouldn't consider myself 'light' on crime, I just think that something as permanent as the death penalty should not be trusted to a system that can get things wrong.
 

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I agree with Mandi here. Locking someone up for life is a greater punishment than the death penalty. Now days, they don't even make you feel pain, they just kill you quickly and easily. If capital punishment is in place, it should at least be painful for the person being executed.

Andy brings up a good point too. The fact that innocent people have been executed for crimes they didn't commit is terrible. So I guess you can say I am against the death penalty in its current form.
 
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At the risk of sounding like a really awful person I'm going to say this: There are people in jail for the rest of their lives, and WE, as taxpayers, bear the burden of paying for their food, healthcare, heat, clothes, cable television and whatever other basic needs they have in order to live "comfortably" in jail forever... I REALLY like the death penalty because I really don't want to PAY for this person to live when they've possibly killed other people to get this "live for free" ticket in jail.
 

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I think I would be more likely to kill someone I dislike if not for it so I say its working. If I was put in jail for life then all I got to do is beat the crap out of other inmates and get put in maximum security which have no contact with other inmates, they are still let outside and feed and in rare cases can even get some TV or other activities no one in jail should ever get. Your there for punishment not as a retreat.

Also letting someone live or stay in prison only to be let out when they took one or more lives is kind of odd. They take lives and we grant them the ability to still live theirs out?
 
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I am pro death penalty, and have actually served on jury duty on a capital case. Yes we found him guilty and sentenced him to death, the governor later commuted all death sentences to life in prison.

Personally I think that the crimes eligible for the death penalty should be expanded to include rape and sexual abuse.
 

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I've heard that the death penalty actually ends up being comparably expensive in the long run, somehow. (court, appeals, etc) Anyway, they may have done something terrible, but they're still human. Killing them is just hypocrisy.... do some of you not realize this? And how would you feel if you were framed and sent to death row? It can happen. And I know I wouldn't like it. And also, back to my point about places with no death penalty doing just fine. There's no need for such a barbaric practice to be so common in the justice system. And as for taxes, I'd rather have them not be used to kill someone.
 

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Excellent discussion, definitely a variety of viewpoints from what I see. That's a good thing.
 

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In a word... no.

I don't think the death penalty is used as often as it should be... and there are too many appeals so inmates get years before the penalty is actually excercised... if someone in the government doesn't step in and give a stay of execution.

IMHO... all persons convicted of 1st degree murder should automaticly be sentenced to death.
 

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I really don't know if, overall, capital punishment deters crime. I think that it may deter some from crimes that almost always warrent the death penalty, such as killing a uniformed person with criminal intent, but not other, more 'hardcore' or career criminals, especially with the painlessness of lethal injection. I also totally agree with maddi in that I am repulsed at how much it costs to keep a prisoner in jail. If you ask me, jail should not be 'comfortable'. cable tv? come on, why bother sending them to jail, just put them under house arrest ...
 

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You are all under the assumption that all inmates have cable television and the likes. There are some prisons yes, where you get the television, and programs and an education, etc... However depending on the severity of your crime and where you are sentenced to, you could be in a cell with no window, with no outside contact (not even a magazine or newspaper) with sunshine for an hour once every month.

We can't assume that every prisoner lives a comfortable life in jail, because most of the time that's hardly the case.

And I forget who said it but you are correct, it is EXTREMELY expensive to put someone on death row. I couldn't tell you exactly where the money goes too, but it's up in the millions to kill someone by lethal injection.

Now what if the person was framed, and then ten years from now it was found that they were innocent? Technology is always advancing, they have found people innocent who were put on death row ten years ago, how is that person justified now? They are dead, wrongfully convicted and murdered, just so society could get back at them.

Some people aren't in their right minds, they are wrongfully convicted, or hey... I don't know... they're human beings? Entitled to the right of life, no matter what. I pity the person who finds justice, and satisfaction in the murder of another human being, someone who is their equal.
 

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I've heard that the death penalty actually ends up being comparably expensive in the long run, somehow. (court, appeals, etc) Anyway, they may have done something terrible, but they're still human. Killing them is just hypocrisy.... do some of you not realize this? And how would you feel if you were framed and sent to death row? It can happen. And I know I wouldn't like it. And also, back to my point about places with no death penalty doing just fine. There's no need for such a barbaric practice to be so common in the justice system. And as for taxes, I'd rather have them not be used to kill someone.
1. having someone being in jail for life is better then sentencing them to death, and is it cheaper? Hell no they get free medical care, free food, free shelter all for killing a person, sounds more like a reward to me.

2. Yes it is hypocrisy yet we live with other hypocrisy ever day.

3. being framed for murder is pretty hard these days what with DNA evidence and such. Even if there is not death plenty then your still thrown in jail for life and whats the difference? Plus it takes years to final die when on death row.

4. No one wants to see tax money used to kill people but its going to happen due to war and the death penalty.
 
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Some people aren't in their right minds, they are wrongfully convicted, or hey... I don't know... they're human beings? Entitled to the right of life, no matter what. I pity the person who finds justice, and satisfaction in the murder of another human being, someone who is their equal.
Yes and didn't the person or people that they killed also have the right to life?

For example the case I sat on, the victim was raped, tied up, placed on pile of logs, doused with gasoline and set on fire. She died around 18 hours later, and was conscious at least some of the time.

Any one that would do something like that has given up their right to life in my opinion.
 

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Yes and didn't the person or people that they killed also have the right to life?

For example the case I sat on, the victim was raped, tied up, placed on pile of logs, doused with gasoline and set on fire. She died around 18 hours later, and was conscious at least some of the time.

Any one that would do something like that has given up their right to life in my opinion.
Valentine, that would be an opinion shared by me also. I can understand somewhat people's opinion against the death penalty because it seems so barbaric, so sub-human. But for those that feel that way, think if the person in Valentine's example who was killed in such a sadistic way was your mom, sister, or worse...your own child (she WAS someone's child whether an adult at the time or not) do you think you'd still feel merciful enough to waive the death penalty and give life imprisonment? No need to answer, it is meant more as a rhetorical question.

Now, an accidental death is another matter altogether. Yes, some sort of punishment needs to be imposed to reinforce the seriousness of what took place, but there should be mercy shown as far as demanding the death penalty IMO.

EDIT: In answer to the poll question, I think it's highly debatable whether capitol punishment actually deters criminals from doing their horrible crimes.

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1. having someone being in jail for life is better then sentencing them to death, and is it cheaper? Hell no they get free medical care, free food, free shelter all for killing a person, sounds more like a reward to me.
Please read Mandi's post. And take a look at this....

Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

Here's one good quote from that page to prove what I'm saying....
"In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases."

2. Yes it is hypocrisy yet we live with other hypocrisy ever day.
You admit it's hypocrisy, yet you say we should just deal with it? No. We should do what we can to at least try to avoid hypocrisy.

3. being framed for murder is pretty hard these days what with DNA evidence and such. Even if there is not death plenty then your still thrown in jail for life and whats the difference? Plus it takes years to final die when on death row.
Well, once someone is dead, he can't be brought back. At least you still have a chance of being free someday if you're not killed.

4. No one wants to see tax money used to kill people but its going to happen due to war and the death penalty.
So we should just accept it and let these things happen? No. Unnecessary death should be avoided when possible. If a criminal is about to kill someone, then it's okay to shoot him. If a government is on a dangerous path (think of Hitler), then war may be necessary. Sometimes killing can't be easily avoided or avoided at all, but sometimes it's just not necessary.

Yes and didn't the person or people that they killed also have the right to life?

For example the case I sat on, the victim was raped, tied up, placed on pile of logs, doused with gasoline and set on fire. She died around 18 hours later, and was conscious at least some of the time.

Any one that would do something like that has given up their right to life in my opinion.
That's a pretty good counterargument. I have to admit it. However, life in prison probably isn't much of a life anyway. And there are still those people that might get sentenced to death for something they didn't do.

I'll admit something now though. All the stuff I watch on TV (like CSI), plus real cases like Valentine has mentioned... it does make me question my thoughts of capital punishment. I'm aware that CSI is just TV, but stuff like that happens sometimes. Some people just seem as if they're evil. But.... I'd still rather not see unnecessary death. Prison is a good enough punishment.
 
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I really don't think the death penalty deters people from committing crimes. Living in a country without this law, we still don't have anywhere near the crime rates observed in other parts of the world, but we still do have crime in all varieties.

I do think, however, that the best way to deter people from crime is to prevent them from having to turn to that path. Wonder why there are so many gun-related deaths? Perhaps a review of gun laws and control and in order. Wonder why youths join gangs? Look at the area they come from and the [lack of] opportunities they have.

There's no point taking an eye for an eye, because then the whole world goes blind. Fix problems at their core, don't cover them up and take the easy way out.
 
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