Discrimination against fat people?

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Chillhouse

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Just heard some crazy lady on the radio say, (and I paraphrase) "Airlines shouldn't make fat people pay more for special seats. That's discrimination." She was commenting on the fact that some airlines may soon be charging obese passenger first-class far for a special coach seat big enough to accomodate them due to rising oil costs (more fat people = more weight on the plane = more wasted fuel). I have a sneaking suspicioun she could be overweight...

Anyway, is that really discrimination? They're just providing an alternative to cramming a fat guy into a tiny seat in coach. It makes it easier for everyone. If you choose to live an unhealthy life style and become morbidly obese, that's your decision. Expect consequences for your actions (i.e. paying more for a seat that can accomodate you). Don't want to pay as much? Lose some weight. You'll feel better.

Discrimination would be telling a fat person he can't go swimming in your pool because he's too fat.
 

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Yes but what if you work out every day and eat healthy yet your still fat, it's not fair to those people who have slow metabolisms.
 

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Yes but what if you work out every day and eat healthy yet your still fat, it's not fair to those people who have slow metabolisms.
It takes a little extra work for them, but they can still slim down. I know someone like that.

But that isn't the point of the thread.
 

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It's really not discrimination. First of all, there's only so much room in a plane and space is at a premium. Secondly, do YOU wanna be the person assigned to the seat next to the 300lb guy who's spilling over the arm rests? That's not fair to you the other passenger. You paid for an acceptably comfortable seat and the only reason it's uncomfortable is because the guy next to you doesn't fit in his seat.

Let's face it, in an airplane people are just cargo that needs to be fed and have access to a bathroom, cargo is something we charge by weight and size.
 

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Well, it's not much discrimination, as much as failing airlines frantically grasping at whatever they can to prop themselves up. And, I think in this case, the charge is fair (and this is coming from a guy who could stand to lose a few pounds himself... although wouldn't be near spilling over into the next seat :p).

Now, there was also talk of doing it purely based on weight. I think this is discrimination. Why? Should a skinny 6ft tall guy pay more than a tubby midget? I mean, mathematically it might make sense, but I don't think people will accept that. The whole reason people are willing to justify this to themselves at all is that they can tell themselves "It's a choice.. that person doesn't have to be that way, but chose to be." But people don't choose to be 6ft tall or midgets. "Sorry sir, but you shouldn't have drank so much milk as a kid!"
 

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Chevre beat me to it. I think it needs to be based on seat size. Have a few different size seats, those in xl or l seats need to be paying more.

I may be 100 pounds more than my friend, but she is over a foot and a half shorter, but if we both sit down she takes up more space width wise. (Making this up btw) so I think she should pay more, not me.

Like Chevre said, a 6ft 200pd guy shouldn't have to pay more if they fit fine in a seat, however a 190pound person who's only 4ft9inches should have to pay extra, because they probably wear a size 48.

I don't care if a person is born fat, they can lose weight. There is no excuse for being fat.
 

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Yes but what if you work out every day and eat healthy yet your still fat, it's not fair to those people who have slow metabolisms.
It's possible to change your metabolic rate by dieting. I'm tired of all these fat bastards and their fat excuses. The fact is, if the airlines give these fatasses more room, they can't accommodate for more passengers. They will lose money. You think it's expensive filling up your gas tank,? Try filling up with jet fuel.
 

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It's discrimination. You're paying for a seat, on the plane. It's the airlines responsibility to ensure that the seats on their aircraft can fit you. Nobody should have to pay more than anyone else :\
 

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Eh, metabolism depends on a lot of things including genetics, age, gender, the person's diet, and activity level. You can change some of them, but not others. Some people are prone to weight gain, but it's not an excuse to be fat. You have to know your body, and if you have a slow metabolism, you have to eat less. Maybe think of it in terms that you get better mileage :p.
 

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Some forms of obesity can be directly related to a genetic issue that is beyond a person's control. However, for a vast majority of people, it is simply a lack of self control combined with an easy lifestyle.

Even so, think about how many thousands of people that are stricken with other disabilities or disorders that need to pay extra in some cases for something that accommodates their particular needs.

Life handed you the short straw in your weight, I'm sorry, but that's how things are. I got the short straw in some areas too, you gotta learn to cope with it.

If you are so large that you are taking up two normal-sized seats, you've gotta start getting used to paying extra when you want to fly.

There are very, very, very few cases where obesity is just simply something a person cannot in any way help themselves. Sure it might be difficult, sure, it might be inconvenient, but either put yourself through the trouble to lose weight, or deal with it, like millions of other people have to do with their respective disorders (assuming that you have a genetic predisposition towards obesity). If it's a lack of self control, well then, I really don't feel sorry for you, period.
 

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Eat less, exercise more. It WILL work in loosing weight. Don't give me that "some people are born that way" excuse, the majority of people are not, they're just lazy with bad eating habits, that's why America can have 48% of it's population be obese and France's population have less than 10%.

You're fat, not big boned.
 

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You're fat, not big boned.
There are big bonded people, still doesn't make them fat. My doctor has told me at my PRIME weight, which would be the healthiest for me, I'd be about a size 14/16. Considering a lot of girls are about a size 8.... I'd be considered "big boned"

However that doesn't mean I can use that as an excuse for being fat. I'm fat because I like chocolate, end of story. xD
 

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I don't care if a person is born fat, they can lose weight. There is no excuse for being fat.
there aren't excuses, per se, but there are biological differences between people such as internal glycemic levels causing peoples metabolic rate to slow and store sugars as lipids or thyroid deficiencies, etc.
i know everyone has the possiblilty of losing weight and i'm thankful for the health and fitness i've found in my loss of weight, but there are some people out there that don't fit the average mold.
makes me wonder if they're going to introduce a terrorist protection fee to any muslim passengers as another reason to extort money. meh, just add it to the list...
 

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there aren't excuses, per se, but there are biological differences between people such as internal glycemic levels causing peoples metabolic rate to slow and store sugars as lipids or thyroid deficiencies, etc.
i know everyone has the possiblilty of losing weight and i'm thankful for the health and fitness i've found in my loss of weight, but there are some people out there that don't fit the average mold.
You are very correct, but I don't agree with using anything as an excuse. I have a bitch of a time losing weight. I eat a whole lot healthier than a lot of people I know and I get a fair amount of exercise... I'm still not losing weight, yet I have friends who are 90 pounds and live on McDonalds.

I'm not going to cry about it though. Because I'm pretty sure if I went to the gym every day I'd be able to lose weight. I choose not to do that. There is no excuse for people to not try, and there is no excuse as to why people are fat. There may be reasons you have a hard time losing weight, there may be reasons you have that natural pear shape that's hard to get rid of... but don't blame other shit because your too lazy to get off your ass and work, actually WORK to lose weight.
 

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I wonder if bus companies like Greyhound here in the states will follow suit? They've got to be feeling the same pinch due to fuel prices? I've been on busses with a next-seat-over passenger taking up one seat+. It wasn't the most enjoyable or comfortable trip I've ever had, that's for sure.

One thing for sure, everytime I see someone my age or older who is way overweight for whatever reason, I'm ever more determined to not let myself get in that condition.

~Pramrider
 

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I don't think it is discriminatory at all. You pay for from point A to point B. If it takes twice as much fuel to get you there, I believe it is alright to charge it.
 

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i have a feeling that the drag associated with a unkempt plane made back in the early 80's will have more fuel wasted than someone who is over weight. why don't you people understand that it's not about fuel costs as much as it is a way to charge people a fee?
 

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i have a feeling that the drag associated with a unkempt plane made back in the early 80's will have more fuel wasted than someone who is over weight. why don't you people understand that it's not about fuel costs as much as it is a way to charge people a fee?
As someone who is getting his private pilots license let me tell you, AVGas is not cheap. Jet fuel is even worse.

Plus, you would be surprised how much fuel consumption is increased by just a percent or two extra weight.
 

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You are very correct, but I don't agree with using anything as an excuse. I have a bitch of a time losing weight. I eat a whole lot healthier than a lot of people I know and I get a fair amount of exercise... I'm still not losing weight, yet I have friends who are 90 pounds and live on McDonalds.

I'm not going to cry about it though. Because I'm pretty sure if I went to the gym every day I'd be able to lose weight. I choose not to do that. There is no excuse for people to not try, and there is no excuse as to why people are fat. There may be reasons you have a hard time losing weight, there may be reasons you have that natural pear shape that's hard to get rid of... but don't blame other shit because your too lazy to get off your ass and work, actually WORK to lose weight.
oh on that note, i know exactly how you feel, but not everyone that weighs a lot is fat/out of shape. look at some of the world's strongest men that lift 1,000 lbs. and do all amazing feats of strength. they're not light by any means. so in a sense you could be charging each of them a fatness fee for someone who, i doubt, is really fat or overweight.
p.s. i'm at 190 right now. i used to be 250, then 202, and now i'm stuck at this weight but i feel good though. i can tell my body is going from fat to muscle at a decent pace and i have a feeling that's why i'm not losing any weight to speak of. some people just have high metabolisms to allow them to burn off any calories they eat (i know of two examples, one has hepatitis c and the other one, hyperglycemia), but they're not in good health. so next time any of you think of yourself as fat or overweight, but are exercising, just think of yourself as being in good health rather than a certain pants-to-self-esteem ratio.
 

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When I catch a bus, I have to pay a double the price of my sister, say, because I'm over 16 and she isn't. But we don't claim this to be age discrimination, or at least we don't see it as a negative thing.
You might step in and point out that the bus company offer the lower price for under 16s as a discount for a valid reason (kids have less money), and that my price is the real price.
But think of the plane situation this way: The big seats are standard seats which cost the most, but people who aren't fat get a discount and get a cheaper deal (and for a valid reason, they don't need the larger seats).

So personally I think that it is discrimination, but it is justified. The word 'discrimination' carries a lot of negative connotations, usually associated with prejudice and racism and sexism, but it can be a good thing. For example women only swimming nights (One night where the swimming pool is open to women ONLY) is discrimination against males, but there's nothing wrong with it.

And I don't care if people are fat by choice (i.e. their fault) or whether it's just bad luck (genetics or that weird illness that means that you never feel full so you eat and eat and eat...). It's reasonable to discriminate in this way.
 
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