Diagnosed with Paraphilic Infantilism

[BobbiSueEllen]

I even wonder why they call it a disorder? And they're so goddamned average and thus perfect themselves? By what virtue: strength in numbers? A college degree? This is one of the many reasons why I both distrust and loathe the so-called psychiatric community: they tell you labels are bad, bad, bad but then they hypocritically slap one on you. Then they walk their penny-loafers over to their BMWs and drive home to have a drink or three with their neurotic spouses. I will never trust psychologists.

My response to them: "Physician, heal thyself. Take your mat and walk. Far away, please." Sorry, but that's how I feel.

 

[Kayleigh]

Wow - is all this because you want them to pay for diapers?
If anything I would think the sessions should be helping you to understand, accept and effectively manage your interests into some kind of life that makes sense for you and others close to you.
Perhaps open up your discussions to what you expect the outcome to be. Do you / should you / can you transition or merely cross dressing? Can you include certain things in your life that will satisfy you? Can you get others who are important to you support you in a beneficial way? How much support do you need and why?

 

[Kayleigh]

Forgot to add - what are the next steps?

 

[SpAzpieSweeTot]

I even wonder why they call it a disorder? And they're so goddamned average and thus perfect themselves? By what virtue: strength in numbers? A college degree? This is one of the many reasons why I both distrust and loathe the so-called psychiatric community: they tell you labels are bad, bad, bad but then they hypocritically slap one on you. Then they walk their penny-loafers over to their BMWs and drive home to have a drink or three with their neurotic spouses. I will never trust psychologists.

My response to them: "Physician, heal thyself. Take your mat and walk. Far away, please." Sorry, but that's how I feel.

They don't care about simple paraphernalia, anymore. What turns one on, turns one on, and there's a wide range of tastes. They don't care what you sample from the buffet, as long as it's not such a life-suck as to be a problem. If it is a problem in one's day to day life, which the shrink might think it is, if one doesn't make himself or herself perfectly clear, then the patient gets diagnosed. Do not go in there blabbing about your ABDLness right off the bat! Your therapist might think that's why you're there, and give you crazy papers.

 

[BabyHailey1977]

Forgot to add - what are the next steps?

She has been really cool. Like I said, it was a preliminary diagnosis, but we are working through it. She has no problems with me wearing diapers. She’s helping me understand why.

we haven’t discussed the wanting to be a girl issue that much. I just told her, so we will be talking about it during the next session. To me, transition is out because of the cost it will possible be. I.e. maybe losing family. I’m happy as a guy, I’ve spent my life suppressing the feeling.

 

[BobbiSueEllen]

They don't care about simple paraphernalia, anymore. What turns one on, turns one on, and there's a wide range of tastes. They don't care what you sample from the buffet, as long as it's not such a life-suck as to be a problem. If it is a problem in one's day to day life, which the shrink might think it is, if one doesn't make himself or herself perfectly clear, then the patient gets diagnosed. Do not go in there blabbing about your ABDLness right off the bat! Your therapist might think that's why you're there, and give you crazy papers.

That's one of the reasons why I don't go anymore to begin with. In the past, I've had to go in mandatorily due to being on State at various times...well, you can guess that one out, I had to find it out the bad way: one week, they tell you you're bipolar and that they will start you on meds, the next week they tell you "We never told you you were bipolar" (that's when I started taking a micro tape recorder with me and shot them down on a few occasions); another time, one of their counselors took a soapbox during the session and told me exactly what he thought about me...and it wasn't meant to be clinical...he was insulting and brutal. Three weeks later, he was out on his ear and lost his psych license forever, for banging a client. Then I got called in for an emergency visit with the psychiatrist, so I raced in..."Oh, no, she had to fly to Chicago, her apartment caught fire!"

That was the last straw. I snapped...I walked to a gas station, bought a water, went behind the station, downed 20 Prozacs and 20 Tegretols. 20 minutes later, I chickened out, called 911. They took me to the hospital, 2 blocks away.

The 'care' of that psychiatric facility (not the hospital) was inconsistent, to put it mildly...utterly chaotic. The hospital staffer wanted to know why I tried to commit suicide, so I told them...they were aghast when I was finished. I got referred to another place, somewhat better...but still inconsistent because I wasn't a civil service worker or worked for the Big Employer. My insurance was, literally, junk. Many of you know that already, regardless of where you are.

 

[hoimi]

Could that be problematic if you go through the VA for diapers? Could they just be like ‘it’s all in your head’ and say no?
Do you have issues with IC? I would talk to your therapist what that diagnosis could mean.

 

[SparkleBunny]

Nope. Autogynephilic..."self-woman-loving"? How does that translate into Doc Lingo?

Autogynephilia is a male who fantasizes as being a female (it's usually sexual). I once had something very similar when I was younger, but it has to fit cross dreaming since there isn't any other name for it.

 

[BabyHailey1977]

Could that be problematic if you go through the VA for diapers? Could they just be like ‘it’s all in your head’ and say no?
Do you have issues with IC? I would talk to your therapist what that diagnosis could mean.

From the moment I started seeing my PCP through the VA, she has known that I love my diapers. I do have issues with my bladder like retention, urge, dribbling and OAB. She referred me to a urologist to go over this. If she’s ok with the diapers, my PCP will prescribe them. She knows I don’t like medication, so she even said that diapers may be the best.

 

[dogboy]

I too was diagnosed with Paraphilia Infantalism back when I was a college student. My mom sent me to a large mental facility when she discovered my diapers and gay porn while I was having a psychotic break. It was so surreal having to talk about this to a psychiatrist whom I did not want to see. This was 1970 when I was young and it shook me to the core. Homosexuality was considered a mental illness as was infantalism I suppose. Having a separation from reality most certainly was but I made it through college and got my degree despite all that was happening in my life.

Sometimes you just have to soldier on. I was determined to finish college on time and having that goal really helped.

 

[BobbiSueEllen]

The medical arena and their acronyms...yeesh. I once had a PCP with a BMW, which was odd because he originally went in for his M.Div. I was in the ER with an IV getting a CBC ASAP for some LGI infection. Thankfully, I was AOK but had it been otherwise, I'd be DOA PDQ in my BVDs, with my parents figuring out my IOUs and thinking my DNR wasn't necessary after all. QED.

 

[SparkleBunny]

Is being AB/DL an official diagnosis? It seems 'therapists' are still fixated on using the broad-brush 'paraphilic infantilism', implying they simply don't care about it beyond the couch.

It's just the paraphilic term for it. I'm not sure if the doctor would know it's called "ABDL+" or not (since this is just a name the kink and fetish community made up to help describe it better). But remember: It's only considered a disorder if it's disrupting your daily life and causing you stress. Almost like a sexual compulsion of some sort. But they still can use the paraphilia term even if it's managed in a healthy way. It's just the term the medical places call it (since they have to be professional in diagnosing patients).

 

[BobbiSueEllen]

It's just the paraphilic term for it. I'm not sure if the doctor would know it's called "ABDL+" or not (since this is just a name the kink and fetish community made up to help describe it better). But remember: It's only considered a disorder if it's disrupting your daily life and causing you stress. Almost like a sexual compulsion of some sort. But they still can use the paraphilia term even if it's managed in a healthy way. It's just the term the medical places call it (since they have to be professional in diagnosing patients).

Perhaps, but they don't seem to bat an eye when their clients drink and get into trouble...they can't, because they do it, too.

 

[BabySkye75]

Autogynophilia is not a type of gender dysphoria. Its a fantasy where a guy likes dressing in female clothing for sexual purposes.

I'm trans and I didnt transition just so i could wear girl clothes. The reality of living as a boy every day gave me extreme suicidal thoughts before i started transitioning that could only be solved by medically and socially transitioning.

Thats dysphoria. Simply liking to wear women's clothing isnt.

Well said , I felt the same way for years before it was really brought to light for the world to see, I served my time in 30 day hospital lockdown on suicide watch and another 30 in halfway, I also practiced self mutilation of things I detest most, I’m thankful I made good friends with my psych professor in college and helped to turn my wheel to seek additional help to be the woman I am today.

 

[SparkleBunny]

Perhaps, but they don't seem to bat an eye when their clients drink and get into trouble...they can't, because they do it, too.

So basically the therapist drinks and that somehow doesn't affect their profession? Even when they get into trouble too?

 

[SpAzpieSweeTot]

It's just the paraphilic term for it. I'm not sure if the doctor would know it's called "ABDL+" or not (since this is just a name the kink and fetish community made up to help describe it better). But remember: It's only considered a disorder if it's disrupting your daily life and causing you stress. Almost like a sexual compulsion of some sort. But they still can use the paraphilia term even if it's managed in a healthy way. It's just the term the medical places call it (since they have to be professional in diagnosing patients).

Yes. If they really know anyting about it at all, they know what we call it. It's still a paraphilia, even if you can self regulate, and it's not a problem. They just don't have an interest in treating you, with a simple paraphilia, because you're not disordered. Nowadays, you can be kinky as heck, and that's fine, if it's not sucking the life out of you. It wasn't always that way. A little while back, if you were kinky at all, there was something wrong with you! Even today, as much better off as we are, if you make them think it's a problem for even a microsecond, you'll be diagnosed disordered, and they'll try to fix it.

 

[MisterRabbit]

Well actually, in the DSM-V they have added the word disorder to the word paraphilia to distinguish a normal paraphilia from a paraphilic disorder.

To quote https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/dsm-5-and-paraphilias-what-psychiatrists-need-know :

"The term “disorder” was specifically added to DSM-5 to indicate a paraphilia that is causing distress or impairment to the individual or a paraphilia whereby satisfaction entailed personal harm, or risk of harm, to others. This distinction was made in an effort to identify those sexual behaviors and interests that are of clinical significance."

So your therapist indicating paraphilic infantilism is indicating a behaviour, but not necessarily diagnosis of a disorder.

 

[BobbiSueEllen]

Sometimes I wonder if the DSM-V is edited under the influence of alcohol, the way they go back and forth, LOL. Sorry, cheeky humor resurfaces...

 

[SpAzpieSweeTot]

Well actually, in the DSM-V they have added the word disorder to the word paraphilia to distinguish a normal paraphilia from a paraphilic disorder.

To quote https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/dsm-5-and-paraphilias-what-psychiatrists-need-know :

"The term “disorder” was specifically added to DSM-5 to indicate a paraphilia that is causing distress or impairment to the individual or a paraphilia whereby satisfaction entailed personal harm, or risk of harm, to others. This distinction was made in an effort to identify those sexual behaviors and interests that are of clinical significance."

So your therapist indicating paraphilic infantilism is indicating a behaviour, but not necessarily diagnosis of a disorder.

That's what I'm saying. Before the 5, there was no such thing as normal paraphilia. They wanted you, and wanted to fix you for being kinky at all, because all paraphilias were abnormal. In the 4-TR, we were specifically mentioned, even. The preliminary diagnosis is paraphilia disorder with something or other, even with it being diagnosed with the 5. Hang on I'll find it.

 

[MisterRabbit]

Sometimes I wonder if the DSM-V is edited under the influence of alcohol, the way they go back and forth, LOL. Sorry, cheeky humor resurfaces...

You might say... it's a disorder!