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Yes. Impeach him. Then you'll get Mike Pence, god of thunder, as the 46th. You won't get Bloody Hillary to replace him if you do that, or even that fossil Sanders.

Like I've always said: Leftists only want absolutism.
Yeah really who wants Mike Pence a religious fanatic as president! That is actually the other reason I'm not pushing for Trumps impeachment. Pence is by far, worse than Trump! Russian Delusion story won't impeach Trump because it's a hoax! And really who cares if we impeach Trump! Another plastic wrapped will sneak in after because of the CPACS! People want real candidates they need to demand to get rid of CPACS.
 

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Yeah really who wants Mike Pence a religious fanatic as president! That is actually the other reason I'm not pushing for Trumps impeachment. Pence is by far, worse than Trump! Russian Delusion story won't impeach Trump because it's a hoax! And really who cares if we impeach Trump! Another plastic wrapped will sneak in after because of the CPACS! People want real candidates they need to demand to get rid of CPACS.
This is why I was quiet for the last 2 years, but I can't take a crazy man trying to be a dictator. He is a legit threat to us now. No reason to shut down the government for this long over his incompetence to push border control during a pure republic government. There is some underlying motivation to pull this and I do not want to wait any longer to see what other ways he can abuse his power.

Also how people follow him despite all the lies and propaganda he spews. I feel bad for those 800000 workers being used as pawns, and also wondering how far he will go to abuse his position further.
 
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This is why I was quiet for the last 2 years, but I can't take a crazy man trying to be a dictator. He is a legit threat to us now. No reason to shut down the government for this long over his incompetence to push border control during a pure republic government. There is some underlying motivation to pull this and I do not want to wait any longer to see what other ways he can abuse his power.

Also how people follow him despite all the lies and propaganda he spews. I feel bad for those 800000 workers being used as pawns, and also wondering how far he will go to abuse his position further.
Wonder what you were doing when Obozo reduced the living standards of the Third Estate? Probably kissing his feet because MSLSD told you he was the Second Coming of Christ.
 

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Wonder what you were doing when Obozo reduced the living standards of the Third Estate? Probably kissing his feet because MSLSD told you he was the Second Coming of Christ.
i doono wtf "MSLSD" is, second off no one told me anything. Running for first term he sounded like he knew what he was talking about, wanted to pull wall street out of politics, or least weaken the grip. (Trump greatly benefited from this connection, shame he was not able make progress in that department due to how ingrained it is)

then I heared about all the flaws of obamacare and went to oppose it, simple as that.
 

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i doono wtf "MSLSD" is, second off no one told me anything. Running for first term he sounded like he knew what he was talking about, wanted to pull wall street out of politics, or least weaken the grip. (Trump greatly benefited from this connection, shame he was not able make progress in that department due to how ingrained it is)

then I heared about all the flaws of obamacare and went to oppose it, simple as that.
I was in my mid 20's when Obama ran for president I saw through the minute he opened his mouth. First clue not talking about protecting constitution following the same old script. Even my parents voted for him but I stuck by good old Ron Paul. The only person who actually told the truth. Getting rid of the federal reserve, getting out of the phoney wars, ending the stupid drug war, and most importantly getting back to following the constitution. Of course for some wacko reason people called Ron Paul the cook and instead voted for plastic wrapped Obama. I couldnt even wrap my head around the logic of people then. The world is just twisted good is bad, bad is good! Since tennager I knew the two parties were rigged. I always thought it was retarded old people fighting on two candiates that were both assholes! The stupid two party sytem ruined united states. The only good thing Obama did in my opinion is signing that bill to protect the states from feds raiding and arresting medical cannabis patients. That I will give him. But like I said before you have to reel people in with some good then when you got by the grasp thats when they open the hell gates. I just do not understand why people are so naive to so called, "champions of the people". He/she wants to help me, he/she cares about America soo much! *vomits* No these guys don't give a shit about us peasants! The people need to realize these people are NOT nice and more like actors!
 

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I was in my mid 20's when Obama ran for president I saw through the minute he opened his mouth. First clue not talking about protecting constitution following the same old script. Even my parents voted for him but I stuck by good old Ron Paul. The only person who actually told the truth. Getting rid of the federal reserve, getting out of the phoney wars, ending the stupid drug war, and most importantly getting back to following the constitution. Of course for some wacko reason people called Ron Paul the cook and instead voted for plastic wrapped Obama. I couldnt even wrap my head around the logic of people then. The world is just twisted good is bad, bad is good! Since tennager I knew the two parties were rigged. I always thought it was retarded old people fighting on two candiates that were both assholes! The stupid two party sytem ruined united states. The only good thing Obama did in my opinion is signing that bill to protect the states from feds raiding and arresting medical cannabis patients. That I will give him. But like I said before you have to reel people in with some good then when you got by the grasp thats when they open the hell gates. I just do not understand why people are so naive to so called, "champions of the people". He/she wants to help me, he/she cares about America soo much! *vomits* No these guys don't give a shit about us peasants! The people need to realize these people are NOT nice and more like actors!
You criticize a Leftist. The users here will hate you for it.
 

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That really is the problem these days, even in British politics. The people we vote in, no longer represent their constituents but rather their own self-interests, and parties that are normally Right-Wing, like the British Conservative Party, are being overrun by Left Wing politicians. It has gotten to the point in the UK were non of the parties are doing what they are supposed to represent, the Conservatives are no longer there for the people, Labour no longer represent the Working class, and the Liberal Democrats are neither Liberal nor Democratic, and Brexit seems to have revealed just how for this corruption has gone where politicians are concerned, and we are losing trust in our own politicians.
 
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I think the biggest part of the problem is that, as a society, we have lost sight of the fact that liberals and conservatives, and right-wingers and left-wingers, don't actually exist. They are just figments of our imaginations we find convenient as substitutes for thinking. When was the last time you witnessed a political discussion that dealt with an actual issue instead of getting gridlocked across an imaginary, left-right line?
 

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Was there a time in America when "common was sense in" ?

This from the Federalist Papers:


Our democracy is still young. We haven't yet proven to the world it can endure. It needs work.
True. Yet most of the few who are working on the operating system, so to speak. Instead they focus on minor sections of "code", such as the DefineDistricts module, desperately trying to minimize gerrymandering by the other side while hypocritically striving to draw as partisan a map as possible.

Some ideas:

Get rid of districts. They generate pork and serve no useful purpose.

Get rid of the axiom that everyone should vote. It takes time, effort, and exposure to Others, be they Others by political, cultural, economic, religious, or...

So, instead of voting directly, people give their proxy to a Voter. Voters are limited to a small number of proxies, say 19. This retains the personal link between the Voter and the Proxy-givers.

Voters attend meetings designed to be diverse and productive. Then Voters give THEIR proxies to Supervoters, again at perhaps 20:1.

Note that political ads become less effective (since targeting Voters would be banned). Voice and ideas in the mixed political meetings would swamp money and sound bitten lies.

Note that with aggregate gathering, as opposed to winners/losers all votes count. This works through the representative level, but at the executive level you have to distill down to perhaps one to five (one president who can be overruled by the unanimous vote of the four also-rans?)

Note that ADIs can have representation.

And note that today the people who need representation the most are callously denied their right. Of course I speak of prison inmates. Dehumanizing can be great fun if consensual. Otherwise it's putrid.

Lots more, but again, I agree. Don't give up on democracy just because it is still running on an operating system designed in the 1700s.
 
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I was in my mid 20's when Obama ran for president I saw through the minute he opened his mouth. First clue not talking about protecting constitution following the same old script. Even my parents voted for him but I stuck by good old Ron Paul. The only person who actually told the truth. Getting rid of the federal reserve, getting out of the phoney wars, ending the stupid drug war, and most importantly getting back to following the constitution. Of course for some wacko reason people called Ron Paul the cook and instead voted for plastic wrapped Obama. I couldnt even wrap my head around the logic of people then. The world is just twisted good is bad, bad is good! Since tennager I knew the two parties were rigged. I always thought it was retarded old people fighting on two candiates that were both assholes! The stupid two party sytem ruined united states. The only good thing Obama did in my opinion is signing that bill to protect the states from feds raiding and arresting medical cannabis patients. That I will give him. But like I said before you have to reel people in with some good then when you got by the grasp thats when they open the hell gates. I just do not understand why people are so naive to so called, "champions of the people". He/she wants to help me, he/she cares about America soo much! *vomits* No these guys don't give a shit about us peasants! The people need to realize these people are NOT nice and more like actors!
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Well, I don't see him attempting to disarm people, so him attempting dictatorship is a stretch... :/
You criticize a Leftist. The users here will hate you for it.
People, here, there, and elsewhere hate for the venom, not the argument. Go read the posts again, substituting "conservative" for liberal and vice versa. Or just separate insults from useful ideas.

It's ever so interesting that people fume when people don't love them for insu... "telling the truth about" them.
 

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This is why I was quiet for the last 2 years, but I can't take a crazy man trying to be a dictator. He is a legit threat to us now. No reason to shut down the government for this long over his incompetence to push border control during a pure republic government. There is some underlying motivation to pull this and I do not want to wait any longer to see what other ways he can abuse his power.

Also how people follow him despite all the lies and propaganda he spews. I feel bad for those 800000 workers being used as pawns, and also wondering how far he will go to abuse his position further.
Yeah, I grok that.

If Pence's loyalty is weaker than every one of his characteristics combined, his best move might be to eat popcorn and watch the show (with deft deliberately destructive corrections, of course). Come primary season we might have Pence v Trump in the form of impeachment.
What does Pence do? Take up the standard in a way that links to the "proven economic boom" created by conservative "ideas" while distancing himself from Trump's constant temper tantrums and the damage they're causing. Mommies, ya gots to hook up with Melania (sp?) and trade tips.

Anyway, Pence emerges from Trump Swamp all squeaky clean. Not a smudge or wrinkle in his clothes or his brain.

And, children, that's how the GOP gets to stay committed to the important job of helping the poor feed themselves by exporting gaseous fertilizer. It takes a lot of hot air.
 

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You criticize a Leftist. The users here will hate you for it.
and the reason you couldn't answer my question about your post is?

I find it funny you said you are one of the most "sane" ones here and turn to post something like this BS. hint, stop assuming a full group of people will do x action
 

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OP, as a formerly salaried member of the left, thank you for proving us correct in virtually everything we've ever said about your side.
 

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Have y
The administrative policies of China and Russia, Communist and post-Communist, should only be applied to countries with situations like the United States right now. I’ve seen enough of AntiFA’s temper tantrums and the tacit approval of their actions by the journalist warrant the need for a State Sec like the FSB. Such worries as the ones you have would only be held by the guilty.

Think about it: an organization that can infiltrate such groups as the New Black Panthers, the Ku Klux Klan, NAMBLA, AntiFA, and La Raza – people who are actually HARMFUL – dig up info on THEIR ranks and then interrogate. Not a single bullet would be fired into a crowd if the gathering is peaceful, but the second a car gets flipped over and a store window is shattered, the AK’s are a-comin’.



And it’s because of democracy that socialists like Bernie Sanders and Alexandra Ocasia-Cortez won their offices. Thanks, braindead peons of the Northeast.








You call me an idiot because I’ve grown weary of the fact that I wish to make Progressivism go the way of the Whigs and the Nazis. The problem is that they won’t accept anything but monopoly and will do anything and everything to get it.

I only partially agree with you on your points. The European Union is failing because of the Progressive mentality and consistently allow adult-aged men with murderous intent in because to refuse them would constitute bigotry. Now look at what happened in Manchester, London, and Nice. Look at Sweden. The Near East is not developed enough to understand representative government, just dictatorships and monarchies. Israel aside, that whole part of the world is 1,500 years behind the rest of us.

You’re correct on the Media as well:


And people called FOX dishonest...




PLEASE! The Democrats will just go bring in someone else just to get votes. Do you think Bela Pelosi and Chuck-You Schumer truly care about the people they serve? No. People like them want monopoly and to stay in power for life at the citizen's expense. Look at John McCain.
Have you ever read and assimilated ANYTHING that Jesus said? Your post drips with hatred and bile, and it rejects pretty much everything Jesus taught. Amazing, dude...

And yes, Faux Nudes (naked lies) is incredibly dishonest.
 

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Come back and comment on how democracy is a joke when you've spent some time living in China, Russia, Cuba, or North Korea.

I can tell you from experience that living in those kinds of countries are not good. Since my father are in the State Department, I've lived in China before. I can tell you that it is a state that comes straight out of 1984. We had secret police tailing my family every single time that we left the US embassy compound where we lived. Our phones and house were bugged and conversations were recorded. If we ever left the house for an extended period of time, our house was searched by Chinese officials. And of course, all of our internet was monitored and websites were blocked. I distinctly remember my sister being distraught as a little girl as Frosty the Snowman was blocked in China... try explaining that to a little girl. If you think that what my family went through was bad, it is only a mere microcosm of what the average citizen or god forbid dissenters go through.

The state of US politics is in shambles... I agree with you in that aspect. But trying to solve a problem by doing the exact opposite doesn't work. I don't point fingers at any particular party or person for the state of US politics... there is enough blame on all sides... and that includes citizens themselves. People, for one, don't come out to vote. People don't research their prospective candidates and what they claim and what they aim to achieve in terms of policy. Media has become biased... I'm not just talking about mainstream media either... there are plenty of other extremely biased news organizations that are pulling in people with everything but the truth. There are career politicians that just spend their careers just flapping their gums rather than enacting real change for the people of this nation. Especially the people who most need change... just look at the homeless in San Francisco/New York City/etc, struggling veterans, the working poor, people with disabilities who are falling through the cracks... I could go on forever.

This system isn't perfect... but this is much better than many other systems out there. As hopeless as things may seem now, there is a way to enact change. Giving up isn't an option. People have to dig themselves out of apathy or extreme cynicism and they have to think about what they themselves can do to enact some kind of change. If people do that, the wheels of change will begin to turn.
Nice post. The problem, IMO, is that the US constitution is incredibly out of date. Yep, it is a fine document for 1776. Blacks, women, and the poor are essentially excluded, but Rich White Men are included. Since then it's been a fight to include women, minorities (including ABDLs), and the poor, but shoehorning in Others while retaining an obsolete model is fraught at best. Instead of worshipping the US constitution we need to write Democracy 2.0. Kind of a DUH thing, eh? (I've been pondering Democracy 2.0 for years; the current design is bicameral, with one body providing intent and the other providing rules)

By the way, saying that one obsolete system is better than other obsolete systems is of what use?
 

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Well to be honest United States started out as a "Republic", it was later changed to a "democracy", when it began its long decline to corruption. So yes democracy sucks, a Republic is better and more free! But if your suggesting socialism is good, then I think you need to look at some history books on the horrors of socialism.
Dude, you really need to look up "Scandinavia". Even Trump talks about Norwegian immigrants (but my guess is that his eyes are firmly focused on those two perky….)

And while you're at it, look up "Dunning Kruger" because you are a perfect example.
 

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Well lets take gun control as an example. The US constitution grants the government very very specific powers any power that is not specifically given to it, resides in the people. By the letter of the law, all gun control is unconstitutional.... even if you repealed the 2nd amendment, the authority for controlling guns still does not reside in any part of the US government, a further constitutional ammendment would have to be enacted to do so. The power resides in the people unless it has been specifically been delegated, and the executive and legislative branches have usurped alot of this power and the judicial branch has gone along for the ride.
Have you EVER read the 2nd amendment??? It talks about a state militia, NOT some individual person. You ONLY have the inalienable right to bear arms in a well-regulated militia. Now, that does NOT mean that you will lose access to guns, only that gun ownership is, like car ownership, yet another thing that various government bodies regulate.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Yeah, the wording is poor, but the ONLY thing the 2nd amendment guarantees you is the right to volunteer to be in a State militia.
 

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Yes that could be a problem since i also live in a rural area and would not want city people making decisions on rural areas. I didnt say a republic is perfect but I do believe it's better than a democratic republic. We all need go back to the drawing board cause the current system sure hell isnt working.
The information I just quoted is in one the first search results in google. I also posted the link. I dont see why you think I'm mixing lies with truth. You may want to be specific on that? And really your gonna defend Bush senior? I would not expect someone with your knowledge to defend warmonger george bush senior? Really your actually gonna ask me why I don't like senior. Its not even worth answering to be honest. Look up a history book and see the damage he did. I'm sure you know why that guy should been jail a long time ago! I havent made up any false truth. I provided the link about planned parenthood founder was into eugenics and democrat hillary praising her on video. The KKK topic I can most certainly prove when I get back home to my laptop. I have archived lots of links over the years. I did not lie about the democrats like Chuck Schumer during Obama president on VIDEO asked for strong border securtity was against all illegal immigration. Im coming half way with you and even agreed on most of your points. This is a balanced debate no need get emotional.
Gnome,
Nobody in New York City gives a dang about whether folks in rural Nebraska have guns. And, of course, they have NO jurisdiction in rural Nebraska. So why are YOU insisting that New York City abide by YOUR gun-toting desires??? Talk about hypocrisy. Live your life in your jurisdiction and leave others alone. Walk your talk.
 

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Have you EVER read the 2nd amendment??? It talks about a state militia, NOT some individual person. You ONLY have the inalienable right to bear arms in a well-regulated militia. Now, that does NOT mean that you will lose access to guns, only that gun ownership is, like car ownership, yet another thing that various government bodies regulate.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Yeah, the wording is poor, but the ONLY thing the 2nd amendment guarantees you is the right to volunteer to be in a State militia.
i never thought about that like that, need keep this in mind for the future
 
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