Democracy is a joke.

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I know you can, Britain is but one example of that, which is what I put in the above comment.
she has more power than you'd think she can dissolve parliament, she has to give the winning party leader permission to form a government
 

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she has more power than you'd think she can dissolve parliament, she has to give the winning party leader permission to form a government
This caught my eye. Looking into it, it appears that this power was legislated away in the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011. I'm sure someone will correct me if I've misunderstood. The Queen still dissolves parliament according to the regularly scheduled dissolution but that's a ceremonial function.
 

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This caught my eye. Looking into it, it appears that this power was legislated away in the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011. I'm sure someone will correct me if I've misunderstood. The Queen still dissolves parliament according to the regularly scheduled dissolution but that's a ceremonial function.
Exactly, the Queen is primarily a figure head and realistically is nothing more.
 

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I really think the OP is wanting to head in the absolute wrong direction. All the things the OP complained about become far more inconsequential if the government does have the ability to do much. We as people in general love it when outside has the power to impose our will on the rest, but when the other side do "god help us" but yet we never think... why does it have so much power to begin with. If you are worried about the power of government being used against you, it has too much power.

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she has more power than you'd think she can dissolve parliament, she has to give the winning party leader permission to form a government
I know here in NZ, which for most parts mirrors the UK in terms of the Monarchy she has very little power, and in turn so does her representative the Governor General. I know she does have the power to assume control of New Zealand's armed forces. But she has to follow the advice of the Prime Minister and Governor General who is appointed by the government, which would put her in a tough position if the Prime Minister and Governor General both approached the Queen to dismiss the other. She (through the Governor General) also has to provide royal assent to a Bill before it can become law.... but you talk to Monarchist and she's an important check and balance on the system.

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The system already has such checks and balances built in. Furthermore, the only way to expand the power of the Executive would be to strip power from: The States, the Judiciary, or the Legislature. I can't see that ending well, since there is always a way to amend any controlling document, any additional checks put in place could just be ignored, removed, or amended to not effect the current tyrant.
Even without amendments it can be ignored, or ceded through apathy. Congresses War Powers are a perfect example of this. The US will enter a defacto state of war at the whim of a President, yet only Congress has the power to declare war and for far too long they have ignored and by default allowed the executive branch to usurp and exercise this power.
 

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I am not sure if I can help here but I can try explain a few things
First of all we do not live in a democracy, and the reason trump won has to do with that. He even lost the popular vote.
Our founding fathers set up a democratic-republic with checks and balances to avoid Tyranny of the majority. Know why people can't sentence you to death because of front loaded false evidence? this is why.

As for trump being rejected more and more has nothing to do with omg liberal needs to win or first woman wants to win. This is from Trumps own doing. At first I was opened to the idea of having a good businessman run this country like a good business, logically this meant better management of our costs. However after this loudmouth opened his, we found reasons to research about him. We found out he was disgusting, shows little respect to people, has a YUGE ego, and got his status by luck, not by being smart.

Every day since, every time he opened his mouth, it showed his true colors more and more. Fast forward to the present where a judge had to order him to stop blocking people on twitter for telling the truth, only shows you his hidden tyrant ways.

I really blame the media for why our system seems to be failing. The strong bias they spout off is mind bogging for ad ratings. Because of this, you have an apposing cult doing extreme news on the other end to make us more divided. It is the lack of real education and information to people is why this system is failing. Hating Republican/democrat politicians for being in that party is also to blame from the media. People have it so ingrained that the opposing party they support is doing for power/selfish reasons, even when someone like trump lies to their face, they still believe his lies because liberals are bad, republicans never tell lies.

So the irony in all this is trump is right about one thing, our media is an issue, but while spouting his own false propaganda at the same time.
 

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Well to be honest United States started out as a "Republic", it was later changed to a "democracy", when it began its long decline to corruption. So yes democracy sucks, a Republic is better and more free! But if your suggesting socialism is good, then I think you need to look at some history books on the horrors of socialism.
 

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Most every "authoritarian" thinks that an authoritarian government would serve their personal interests, somehow ignoring the vast historical record of that not being remotely the case.

Don't lie, the historical record is a b**ch.
I'm tired of arguing with them just like I'm tired of arguing with the big crop of commies that popped up on the internet in the late 2000s/early 2010s. More often than not they just talk about it for the attention their edgy and controversial beliefs bring. Not unlike the methods used by the "mainstream media"( that all these edgelords seem to hate) to sell advertising.

In my experience, they're usually single, under 25, male, white, thinks they're way smarter than everyone else, generally not much of a social life, think that the world hasn't given them a fair shake despite being born in the 3% of world incomes (at the very least), routinely takes opportunities for granted that are virtually unimaginable to 92% of the world's population, thinks the opportunities he has aren't "good enough" for him, publicly complains about it a lot, puts a lot of his personal identity into his politics because what else does he have?

Shit like this is the reason I don't post on this forum anymore.
 
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Well to be honest United States started out as a "Republic", it was later changed to a "democracy", when it began its long decline to corruption. So yes democracy sucks, a Republic is better and more free! But if your suggesting socialism is good, then I think you need to look at some history books on the horrors of socialism.
by the people for the people, founded and continued as a democratic-republic. If you are going to counteract me, I expect proof. All the checks and balances was put in place to protect us against someone like trump but all the loop holes he is finding and abusing his cult following is mind boggling. He is living proof some lose ends need to be tied up. I thought i gave some insight on something to think about with problems on the media, only met with a reply like this, a bit insulting.
 
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by the people for the people, founded and continued as a democratic-republic. If you are going to counteract me, I expect proof. All the checks and balances was put in place to protect us against someone like trump but all the loop holes he is finding and abusing his cult following is mind boggling. He is living proof some lose ends need to be tied up. I thought i gave some insight on something to think about with problems on the media, only met with a reply like this, a bit insulting.
Well the biggest thing would be to actually follow the constitution. The US government according to the US constitution doesn’t actually have the authority for at least 90% of what it does.
 

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Well the biggest thing would be to actually follow the constitution. The US government according to the US constitution doesn’t actually have the authority for at least 90% of what it does.
That is what The Judicial Branch is for, and trump made them , and most likely do so, working overtime
 

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That is what The Judicial Branch is for, and trump made them , and most likely do so, working overtime
It is what the judicial branch is intended for, but it has been partisan instead strictly constitution based long before Trump.
 

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Everyone who doesn't like what the judiciary says claims they're partisan. What is this "at least 90%" that you speak of? You seem to like to pull numbers out of thin air - let's have some details instead of Trumpian ranting.
 

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This caught my eye. Looking into it, it appears that this power was legislated away in the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011. I'm sure someone will correct me if I've misunderstood. The Queen still dissolves parliament according to the regularly scheduled dissolution but that's a ceremonial function.
It can't be legislated away. The Queen is quite entitled to dissolve parliament if she feels like it. The fixed parliament act is really just there as a norm - it takes 2/3 of Parliament to call a snap election under the terms of the act, but it takes 50%+1 of MPs to repeal the act... so, ya know. But that's British constitutional law for you, it's all unwritten and based on tradition and precedents.

The Queen / Governor General / Lieutenant Governor General only excersises real power when a motion of no confidence passes in a hung parliament (when nobody has the majority). There where two recent examples of this in Canada after the last provincial elections in British Columbia and New Brunswick, where the rulling party tried and failed to hang on to power despite not winning a majority of seats.

Well to be honest United States started out as a "Republic", it was later changed to a "democracy", when it began its long decline to corruption. So yes democracy sucks, a Republic is better and more free! But if your suggesting socialism is good, then I think you need to look at some history books on the horrors of socialism.
...you do realize that Republic and Democracy are not mutually exclusive concepts, right? France is a Republic and they elect their president directly, just as China is a Republic and they don't elect their leaders at all.
 

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Everyone who doesn't like what the judiciary says claims they're partisan. What is this "at least 90%" that you speak of? You seem to like to pull numbers out of thin air - let's have some details instead of Trumpian ranting.
Well lets take gun control as an example. The US constitution grants the government very very specific powers any power that is not specifically given to it, resides in the people. By the letter of the law, all gun control is unconstitutional.... even if you repealed the 2nd amendment, the authority for controlling guns still does not reside in any part of the US government, a further constitutional ammendment would have to be enacted to do so. The power resides in the people unless it has been specifically been delegated, and the executive and legislative branches have usurped alot of this power and the judicial branch has gone along for the ride.
 

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by the people for the people, founded and continued as a democratic-republic. If you are going to counteract me, I expect proof. All the checks and balances was put in place to protect us against someone like trump but all the loop holes he is finding and abusing his cult following is mind boggling. He is living proof some lose ends need to be tied up. I thought i gave some insight on something to think about with problems on the media, only met with a reply like this, a bit insulting.
Why is a republic better than a democracy?
Democracy vs. Republic. ... In a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure democracy," the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on the minority.

https://www.diffen.com › difference › De...


I copied that from google.

I can also explain why the "democratic republic" hybrid is not ok either. A straight republic is what you want no greedy representatives. We only needed these elected reps because back in the day noone had cars or planes. To go to these meetings they sometimes had to get together in far distances so instead they used an elected reprensative that was supposed to vote what the people wanted. Over time the elected representatives became corrupt doing opposite the people elected them for. This is why even a democratic republic is flawed also. The only way to go is straight Republic directly controlled by the people.
No reps or dems in my opinion. The founding fathers even argued among themselves of the concept two parties fighting on issues and NOT getting anything really done!
 

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by the people for the people, founded and continued as a democratic-republic. If you are going to counteract me, I expect proof. All the checks and balances was put in place to protect us against someone like trump but all the loop holes he is finding and abusing his cult following is mind boggling. He is living proof some lose ends need to be tied up. I thought i gave some insight on something to think about with problems on the media, only met with a reply like this, a bit insulting.
Ill agree Trump has done things against the constitution especially attacking syria. But to be honest this stuff been happening way before Trump. Its been completely rigged since Kennedys Assassination. Bush Jr and his father are far by the worst and im still waiting for their trials!
 

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Oh correction the old bag of bones George Bush Senior already is in hell lol.
 
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