Democracy is a joke.

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One more year has passed and I find myself embrace authoritarian systems more.

After the farce of a midterm election that not only saw someone get into office after calling her state a "meth lab" and electing a braindead neo-Marxist to the House in the despite their faction's frequent hissyfits and threats? Yes, Americanism only worked when common sense was in.

This is the age of 22,005 unprovable genders and where anything and everything is racist and sexist. Sanity is dead.

I remember the aftermath of 2016 and how many people were demanding a recount at the least and the abolition of the electoral college -- a system created so the voices of the major metropolitan zones won't drown out those in rural areas and smaller cities (thereby avoiding "tyranny of the majority") -- simply because a geriatric warmonger that idiots could only see as the potential first female president didn't hit 270. It was supposed to happen: the news said she had a 99% chance for a year. It's funny, because if someone yelled "Not my President!" after 2008 and 2012, you'd be berated as racist and un-American. However, since a Democrat didn't win, it's okay to do so. Hell, before Trump announced he was running many liked him. It was the second he picked which ticket he ran on that people turned on him. Don't lie, the historical record is a b**ch.

The Left moaned and groaned about no power after Hillary the Bloody's defeat, but the thing is they still had more power than the US Government and had had it for half a century. They've monopolized journalism and entertainment. Don't believe me? Go on Twitter. Look at the cast of the AVENGERS tell people how to vote. Don Lemon kept his job after spewing racism on TV. The only person off the top of my head that aren't under their umbrella is James Woods.

If you can buy votes with free goodies, the system fails.
If you can buy votes with famous faces endorsing you despite already having party membership, the system fails.
If the people are so gullible that they can be swayed by one's gender or race to vote for them and not policy, the system fails.

A constitution is only as good as the people it's applied to. If people vote with their feelings and trivia and not with their minds, they have no business at the ballot box.

I rarely, if ever, say anything positive about the Second World (as if anyone knows anything about them) but at least they knew how to govern and maintain stability. Their economic model was a piece of crap, but the administrative aspect was solid.
 

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Well, you want authoritarian, go move to an authoritarian state and tell me how much you love it. Because that's all you'll be able to say. ;) They won't let you say you don't like it.
 

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I'm agree with CuddleWoozle. If you really adore authoritarian regimes and prefer them to democracies, just go to one of them. Go to the DPRK and try to criticize Kim Jong Un. Try to talk about Taiwanese, Hong Kongese and Macanese independence in the People's Republic of China. Try to participate in a protest rally against Kremlin's government being a student in Russia. I know what is it to be like. I know the fear I experienced when I was detained for implementation of my human rights for peacuful and unarmed protest and manifestations, I know what is it to be interviewed by FSB members, I know what is it to be visited by policemen in your flat and threatened by interrogation summons, and I will never wish to anyone to face everything I mentioned. The problem is definetely not in democracy. Imho it's in governmental control and in lack of personal initiative (otherwords, I mean socialism).
 

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Was there a time in America when "common was sense in" ?

This from the Federalist Papers:
James Madison:
A zeal for different opinions concerning religions, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders, ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to cooperate for their common good. So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities that where no substantial occasion presents itself the most frivolous and fancy distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts.
Our democracy is still young. We haven't yet proven to the world it can endure. It needs work.
 

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Was there a time in America when "common was sense in" ?

This from the Federalist Papers:


Our democracy is still young. We haven't yet proven to the world it can endure. It needs work.
We dont even have a democracy its actually a democratic republic. A true democracy would be impossible to maintain.

As for OP, if you want Authoritarian government then leave my country, if not stay away from a voting booth. We already have 12 years of radical partisanship to fix we sure as shit dont need idiots like you getting in the way.

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At least Authoritarian states actually get things done, mainly due to the lack of bureaucratic red tape.
 

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At least Authoritarian states actually get things done, mainly due to the lack of bureaucratic red tape.
The issue is the cost. No one is denying their effectiveness but that effectiveness often comes with a high death toll. I'll take bureaucracy over slavery any day. Even in the US now I could die walking down the street from thousands of different ways, but in the end it was my decision to be at that spot not the states. If the US fell to Authoritarian power, I'd die attempting to reverse it. That would be an idea I'd put my life behind.

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The issue is the cost. No one is denying their effectiveness but that effectiveness often comes with a high death toll. I'll take bureaucracy over slavery any day. Even in the US now I could die walking down the street from thousands of different ways, but in the end it was my decision to be at that spot not the states. If the US fell to Authoritarian power, I'd die attempting to reverse it. That would be an idea I'd put my life behind.

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And yet you have a political system that supports a more authoritarian structure, which is really the biggest flaw with the American two party system. So you already live under Authoritarianism in someway.
 

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Authoritanism and Totaltarianism are not societies people want to live in
A lot of groups on all sides of the political landscape strive for it, Socialists, Liberals, Republicans, Corporate Lobbyists.....
 

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And yet you have a political system that supports a more authoritarian structure, which is really the biggest flaw with the American two party system. So you already live under Authoritarianism in someway.
Less so than your EU overlords. Our country is not just a two party system. Then again you don't live here so you don't get the full scope of it. You rely on what you read on a screen or what you see in the news, Media can be quite bias and they will only tell you what they want you to know

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Less so than your EU overlords. Our country is not just a two party system. Then again you don't live here so you don't get the full scope of it. You rely on what you read on a screen or what you see in the news, Media can be quite bias and they will only tell you what they want you to know

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Good thing I got contacts in the US (a pro to playing MMO's and being apart of international clans), yes it isn't a true 2 party system, other parties can be voted in, but it is a 2 party system in the sense that the vote in the houses are mostly dictated either by republican or democrat voters. So media does have it right, but not 100%.
 

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Good thing I got contacts in the US (a pro to playing MMO's and being apart of international clans), yes it isn't a true 2 party system, other parties can be voted in, but it is a 2 party system in the sense that the vote in the houses are mostly dictated either by republican or democrat voters. So media does have it right, but not 100%.
People saying it's a two party system reinforces the belief that it cannot change. Its basic human programming, say it enough times and the masses will follow suit.

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People saying it's a two party system reinforces the belief that it cannot change. Its basic human programming, say it enough times and the masses will follow suit.

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True, and it certainly could change in the future, however the Republicans and Democrats are too strong at the moment, so it is not likely to change for the next decade or two.
 

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True, and it certainly could change in the future, however the Republicans and Democrats are too strong at the moment, so it is not likely to change for the next decade or two.
Strong? What are you looking at? On one side we have a deranged feminazi psychopath who can't shut up, and on the other a xenophobic self preening gasbag with ego issues and the self control of a toddler. Support for both sides is at an all time low. All we need is a sensible, stable third party nominee and we could sweep the trash right out the door.

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Strong? What are you looking at? On one side we have a deranged feminazi psychopath who can't shut up, and on the other a xenophobic self preening gasbag with ego issues and the self control of a toddler. Support for both sides is at an all time low. All we need is a sensible, stable third party nominee and we could sweep the trash right out the door.

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That is indeed true, however the proof is in the pudding. Until that happens I will remain skeptical. But there is no doubt that their control is slipping.
 

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I'm agree with CuddleWoozle. If you really adore authoritarian regimes and prefer them to democracies, just go to one of them. Go to the DPRK and try to criticize Kim Jong Un. Try to talk about Taiwanese, Hong Kongese and Macanese independence in the People's Republic of China. Try to participate in a protest rally against Kremlin's government being a student in Russia. I know what is it to be like. I know the fear I experienced when I was detained for implementation of my human rights for peacuful and unarmed protest and manifestations, I know what is it to be interviewed by FSB members, I know what is it to be visited by policemen in your flat and threatened by interrogation summons, and I will never wish to anyone to face everything I mentioned.
The administrative policies of China and Russia, Communist and post-Communist, should only be applied to countries with situations like the United States right now. I’ve seen enough of AntiFA’s temper tantrums and the tacit approval of their actions by the journalist warrant the need for a State Sec like the FSB. Such worries as the ones you have would only be held by the guilty.

Think about it: an organization that can infiltrate such groups as the New Black Panthers, the Ku Klux Klan, NAMBLA, AntiFA, and La Raza – people who are actually HARMFUL – dig up info on THEIR ranks and then interrogate. Not a single bullet would be fired into a crowd if the gathering is peaceful, but the second a car gets flipped over and a store window is shattered, the AK’s are a-comin’.

The problem is definetely not in democracy. Imho it's in governmental control and in lack of personal initiative (otherwords, I mean socialism).
And it’s because of democracy that socialists like Bernie Sanders and Alexandra Ocasia-Cortez won their offices. Thanks, braindead peons of the Northeast.


As for OP, if you want Authoritarian government then leave my country, if not stay away from a voting booth. We already have 12 years of radical partisanship to fix we sure as shit dont need idiots like you getting in the way.
The issue is the cost. No one is denying their effectiveness but that effectiveness often comes with a high death toll. I'll take bureaucracy over slavery any day. Even in the US now I could die walking down the street from thousands of different ways, but in the end it was my decision to be at that spot not the states. If the US fell to Authoritarian power, I'd die attempting to reverse it. That would be an idea I'd put my life behind.
Less so than your EU overlords. Our country is not just a two party system. Then again you don't live here so you don't get the full scope of it. You rely on what you read on a screen or what you see in the news, Media can be quite bias and they will only tell you what they want you to know
You call me an idiot because I’ve grown weary of the fact that I wish to make Progressivism go the way of the Whigs and the Nazis. The problem is that they won’t accept anything but monopoly and will do anything and everything to get it.

I only partially agree with you on your points. The European Union is failing because of the Progressive mentality and consistently allow adult-aged men with murderous intent in because to refuse them would constitute bigotry. Now look at what happened in Manchester, London, and Nice. Look at Sweden. The Near East is not developed enough to understand representative government, just dictatorships and monarchies. Israel aside, that whole part of the world is 1,500 years behind the rest of us.

You’re correct on the Media as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_609iKgbu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmLxLANOjUQ

And people called FOX dishonest...


That is indeed true, however the proof is in the pudding. Until that happens I will remain skeptical. But there is no doubt that their control is slipping.
PLEASE! The Democrats will just go bring in someone else just to get votes. Do you think Bela Pelosi and Chuck-You Schumer truly care about the people they serve? No. People like them want monopoly and to stay in power for life at the citizen's expense. Look at John McCain.
 

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The irony in your whole argument is you are advocating for what you purport to be against. Like you sit here warning about "socialists", then argue for something that one would see in a socialist dictatorship (a ministry of information sort of thing to quash dissidents)

You're to the right what the Orange Man Bad crowd is on the left.
 

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The irony in your whole argument is you are advocating for what you purport to be against. Like you sit here warning about "socialists", then argue for something that one would see in a socialist dictatorship (a ministry of information sort of thing to quash dissidents)

You're to the right what the Orange Man Bad crowd is on the left.
As I stated before: the economic model of Karl Marx doesn't work and never has, because it promotes a reduced standard of living and not giving your best to your job: no motivation for improvement. But the non-economic portion (i.e. the system) is like clockwork.

I've said it before and I've said it again: TRUMP'S. TOO. NICE.
 

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I do not debate on a subject if the title is aggressive! , after if you do not like democracy I advise you to go to live in North Korea, attention there must be irreproachable if you want to be helped by the leader, for example at the last being DL there is considered a mental problem. a disease that must be treated;). on this good vacation and have fun there.cordially.
 
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