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What prompted me to start this thread was the latest news report about the finding (they're pretty sure) of Caylee's remains. Cops: Why we think skull is Caylee's - CNN.com I know her mom has already been previously arrested and there's an indictment charging her with the murder of her 2 year old daughter. Though she claims innocence, what kind of parent waits a month before reporting a child missing??? That doesn't add up right there. What I can't understand is how a parent could have so little natural affection for their child(ren) as to actually murder him/her/them. It's not like they kill them from a distance with a gun or rifle. Usually they've been killed at close range by suffocating, strangulation, or other means, so the murdering parent almost had to see the child's facial expression up close and feel them struggling to hang onto life. Looking at little Caylee's face brings tears to my eyes. How someone could look at her sweet face and then proceed to kill her is just beyond my comprehension as a parent. Sure, children can try your patience at times, but thoughts of murder don't enter into a *normal* parent's mind no matter what their child has done. She'll probably claim temporary insanity, but if she knew she had psychological issues she should have gotten help from someone way before commiting such a heinous crime.

Several years ago a good friend of ours had a family member in FL who was murdered. She was only about 12 or so, either came home from school followed,the killer was lurking around her home, OR she knew and trusted the person who did it. No one was at the house when she'd get off from school and walk home. No telling what all the murderer did to her, but he(they?) set fire to the house afterwards to cover up their crime.

Then there was Jon Benet Ramsey some years ago. Her murderer has never been determined, though different family members have been under suspicion in the past. Whoever did what was done to her, and all the other kids for that matter, is lower than an animal in my book.:frown: I know there's been many other kids murdered by parents, family members, and naturally strangers over the years, these were just a few I recall reading about.

I know people suffer different psychological disorders. My own wife has had her share of them and admitted to me she needed professional help before, feeling like she was drowning. She was beginning to have trouble taking care of our two children while I was at work, even though she knew it wasn't them being the problem, it was with her. BUT, she realized it wasn't normal thinking, and we made sure she got the help she needed before anything serious happened. I guess that's the part I just don't understand - how people can get such thoughts in their head and not recognize something isn't right to think that way about your own family members.

Murder itself is a horrible act, but to take a little innocent child's life by murdering them has to be one of the worse, if not THE worse, criminal act a person could carry out.

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:hug: Yeah it's a sick thing Pram I'm just waiting for the mother to be conviced. I have heard the police interication tapes of her and you can tell that she don't care that her daughter is missing and i'm sure was dead at this point and if anything it seems that know she's starting to crack because they now have hard evadence against her.
 

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I'm glad they *hopefully* do have her remains. Not only to help get enough "iron clad" evidence to convict her mom, but also so little Caylee can now have the decent burial she deserves.

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They are bad and kinda crazy in my own opinion and they usually need help.
 

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I quickly admit I am not the most up to date person on this Case ( I tend to avoid media hyped nonissues), but the lack of physical evidence is keeping the case from going to trial, no? Should we not give the mother the benefit of the doubt until true evidence can be found? After all, our legal system assumes one is innocent until proven guilty. Since we have nothing beyond circumstantial evidence( I believe), should we not restrain from our condemnation until after we have real evidence?
 

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I hope the find out who's skull it is, either way, its a child's skull(So someone has been up to something)

Sad that we live in a society that drives people to such insanity that they can consider murder as a viable option...As far as what should be done with her if she is found guilty, prison wont help really...Granted, they may be sick, but prison won't help them...psychiatric help would do much better probably...that and as a "Punishment" simply ensure that they don't have any more kids...ever

After all, our legal system assumes one is innocent until proven guilty. Since we have nothing beyond circumstantial evidence( I believe), should we not restrain from our condemnation until after we have real evidence?
Well, its more of Guilty until proven Innocent nowadays.../rantoff
 

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Well, its more of Guilty until proven Innocent nowadays.../rantoff
It's the media and the idea that the police are always right. It pains me to know how many innocents we put to death because the Juries are stooges to the authorities now.
 

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Meh, spark - "I blame the media blamers"
 

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What prompted me to start this thread was the latest news report about the finding (they're pretty sure) of Caylee's remains. Cops: Why we think skull is Caylee's - CNN.com I know her mom has already been previously arrested and there's an indictment charging her with the murder of her 2 year old daughter. Though she claims innocence, what kind of parent waits a month before reporting a child missing??? That doesn't add up right there. What I can't understand is how a parent could have so little natural affection for their child(ren) as to actually murder him/her/them. It's not like they kill them from a distance with a gun or rifle. Usually they've been killed at close range by suffocating, strangulation, or other means, so the murdering parent almost had to see the child's facial expression up close and feel them struggling to hang onto life. Looking at little Caylee's face brings tears to my eyes. How someone could look at her sweet face and then proceed to kill her is just beyond my comprehension as a parent. Sure, children can try your patience at times, but thoughts of murder don't enter into a *normal* parent's mind no matter what their child has done. She'll probably claim temporary insanity, but if she knew she had psychological issues she should have gotten help from someone way before commiting such a heinous crime.

Several years ago a good friend of ours had a family member in FL who was murdered. She was only about 12 or so, either came home from school followed,the killer was lurking around her home, OR she knew and trusted the person who did it. No one was at the house when she'd get off from school and walk home. No telling what all the murderer did to her, but he(they?) set fire to the house afterwards to cover up their crime.

Then there was Jon Benet Ramsey some years ago. Her murderer has never been determined, though different family members have been under suspicion in the past. Whoever did what was done to her, and all the other kids for that matter, is lower than an animal in my book.:frown: I know there's been many other kids murdered by parents, family members, and naturally strangers over the years, these were just a few I recall reading about.

I know people suffer different psychological disorders. My own wife has had her share of them and admitted to me she needed professional help before, feeling like she was drowning. She was beginning to have trouble taking care of our two children while I was at work, even though she knew it wasn't them being the problem, it was with her. BUT, she realized it wasn't normal thinking, and we made sure she got the help she needed before anything serious happened. I guess that's the part I just don't understand - how people can get such thoughts in their head and not recognize something isn't right to think that way about your own family members.

Murder itself is a horrible act, but to take a little innocent child's life by murdering them has to be one of the worse, if not THE worse, criminal act a person could carry out.

~Pramrider
You seem to miss some very serious points... Your wife didn't suffer from postnatal depression it's basically when a mother HATES her child when it gets born... i think it can be partly attributed to the first murder case you stated here... she might've simply wished to keep her out of her head. As for killing a person, i can't imagine it's much harder (emotionally) than any other human being. You're taking a life whether it's young or old. But yes, i agree with you, brutal acts on children such as molestation and murder are things that disgust me very much.

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You guys need to realize that that dead girls mom is probably mentally impaired. She is more or less condemning herself through all of the things she has said and done.
 

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You seem to miss some very serious points...

-------- Consider yourself lucky that your wife has the humility to admit something's wrong with her----------
No, not really missed.....just didn't have enough time to go into everything in detail that could be addressed. That's where, with any serious forum topic created, I look for other particiants to join in with additional points of discussion, as you did.

Your mentioning their hating the child born to them brought back another murder case to mind. THe mother, for whatever reason, no longer had a husband and was desperate to find another man to care for her. She got it in her mind that the child was holding her back from finding one, so she figured the only way she'd have a man again was to get rid of her child, which she did by commiting murder and trying to make it appear the child was abducted.
She was found out and now has plenty of men (taxpayers) taking care of her for the rest of her life.

Yes, I am fortunate we are close enough that she would confide in me what was going on with her emotions and thinking. Guess that's also part of the problem, many of these murders are commited by single parents so there's no one really close they can talk to.

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I hope that woman gets the Death Penalty. She's sick, and a horrible liar at that.
She probably is mentally f'd up, so I dunno.
 

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I hope that woman gets the Death Penalty. She's sick, and a horrible liar at that.
She probably is mentally f'd up, so I dunno.
If they have enough real evidence to link her to her daughter's death, I'm sure an insanity plea of some sort will be used in her defense.

Now, do you want to see another way a mom killed her kids - through utter stupidity? I happened across this video the other day on Youtube while checking out some *non-accident* train vids. One of my biggest beefs with other drivers is their impatience behind the wheel. This woman took driver impatience to a new level. CAUTION: This video is very upsetting to watch. Not gory or anything like that.....just gut wrenching to think a mother would do something so stupid and jeopardize her life and the lives of two of her four kids (all three died) to save literally a couple minutes at best of travel time. YouTube - Mini-van Vs. Train (train wins)

It makes me mad just thinking about how mindless her actions were. Then there's the train crews who could only helplessly watch the accident unfold before them, and now have to live with what happened the rest of their lives.

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I quickly admit I am not the most up to date person on this Case ( I tend to avoid media hyped nonissues), but the lack of physical evidence is keeping the case from going to trial, no? Should we not give the mother the benefit of the doubt until true evidence can be found? After all, our legal system assumes one is innocent until proven guilty. Since we have nothing beyond circumstantial evidence( I believe), should we not restrain from our condemnation until after we have real evidence?
I agree completely. People assume that the mother did it, because the media is portraying it as such, regardless of the fact that such a thing has yet been proven either way. The media is a bit of a problem, especially opinionated news shows where the focus is the commentators belief on the issue, and not a non-partisan, unjudgemental presentment of the facts. Personally, I kind of hope the mother is cleared upon everything just to see these people who are already lighting their torches have to eat their words.

I hope that their are no mistakes like their was within the Jon Benet case. I mean hell, most people still think Jon Benet's parents were involved in her murder, probably because things like this were never given attention to by the media.
 

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You guys need to realize that that dead girls mom is probably mentally impaired. She is more or less condemning herself through all of the things she has said and done.
What even makes her seam mentality impaired? There's a difference between being stupid and your mind not working properly.
 

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What even makes her seam mentality impaired? There's a difference between being stupid and your mind not working properly.
Truth...although being stupid is a result of your mind not working properly, but it doesn't work the other way around

To further my statement on this issue though, fear not, this will become merely a forgotten tale within 3 years(Anyone remember Terry Shiavo?Huge news story for months, then within a few months of the sentence, she is simply forgotten) So there's no point in getting yourself worked up in something that doesn't really have anything to do with...well, any of us(It's her family that should be left to deal with this, not the public media)
 

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Truth...although being stupid is a result of your mind not working properly, but it doesn't work the other way around

To further my statement on this issue though, fear not, this will become merely a forgotten tale within 3 years(Anyone remember Terry Shiavo?Huge news story for months, then within a few months of the sentence, she is simply forgotten) So there's no point in getting yourself worked up in something that doesn't really have anything to do with...well, any of us(It's her family that should be left to deal with this, not the public media)
I recall Terry Shiavo. Anyways the reason everyone cares is since its a "good" story. It's like a hollywood movie played out in real life. So everyone seams to care about it and the media covers it to increase ratings and in doing so can see ad time for more. Then the ad companys profit off the case from having watchers see their ad's and hopefully buy their prodcuts.

(Phew.)

Anyways I am finding the case to be highly entertaining (sick as the case is).
 

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I'm going to put a twist on this, and bring up something really disturbing: Child murderers. That is, children who murder people. There is a case going through the Canadian courts right now where a teenage daughter and her boyfriend killed her parents together. It looks like she'll be sentenced as an adult. However, there are cases where even 10 year olds have murdered other children, for example Murder of James Bulger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . It really makes one wonder what kind of an environment a kid grows up in, what influences them, to do this.

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If they have enough real evidence to link her to her daughter's death, I'm sure an insanity plea of some sort will be used in her defense.

Now, do you want to see another way a mom killed her kids - through utter stupidity? I happened across this video the other day on Youtube while checking out some *non-accident* train vids. One of my biggest beefs with other drivers is their impatience behind the wheel. This woman took driver impatience to a new level. CAUTION: This video is very upsetting to watch. Not gory or anything like that.....just gut wrenching to think a mother would do something so stupid and jeopardize her life and the lives of two of her four kids (all three died) to save literally a couple minutes at best of travel time. YouTube - Mini-van Vs. Train (train wins)

It makes me mad just thinking about how mindless her actions were. Then there's the train crews who could only helplessly watch the accident unfold before them, and now have to live with what happened the rest of their lives.

~Pramrider
Ugh, that's just horrible. Some people are so screwed up, I swear.
 
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