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ade

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posting this on a pragmatic note.
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lately, many sites have become inaccessible....and i'm not talking about the real pervy stuff, just sites like this (although i do consider much and many to be perverse, but not all perversions are necessarily nasty). i wouldn't be surprised if, at some point in the near future, i will no longer be able to access this site.
what worries me most is the policy on personal expression, as in:
“Harmful” material, as defined in the plan, is that which might offend the values and sentiments of others and could pertain to politics, religion, or racial matters, and could also vary significantly between cultures.

while i have never had anything against filtering the sex-sites (thank god, they actually did it), i think they're going too far with banning 'harmful' material, and this site may eventually come under the umbrella of such vague ideas.
 

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say goodbye to any sort of ideas concerning dissent or critique.
i hopefully doubt they banned any support sites such as TBN (hopefully it's just a server traffic error or something), but just in case (and if they haven't already banned it) download and use TOR or some other internet freedom tool. it was developed with the idea of use for anonymous speak from within oppressive governments, but i guess great britan isn't too far from china now, is it?
 

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If it is blocked, leh file transfer over IRC? I'll do it for you, I don't have it now, but I can DL it.
 

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Well I've never been banned anywhere, but thats probably due to the fact that I'm a kiss ass towards authority.

All I can say is, contact the admins of said sites, then? I know there is one site, abdl related, that people have been having trouble accessing, so it may be a technical issue.
 

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if what ade posted to be the issue then it's not any sort of system admin, but great britain itself, blocking the internet.
 
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The only censorship I've ever encountered has happened quite recently.

News sites block access to videos to people outside of their domain. For example, there are some things on the BBC site and YouTube that I can't view. Same with some American sites.

Example: http://uk.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4E40261B140B1301 (any one of those clips)

The error message I get is This video is not available in your country.
 

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have you tried going through tor lukie?
 

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I get the "This video is not available in your country"-message on YouTube too for the link Lukie posted. THe same thing happens when trying to access the video archive on the proper BBC website. Reason? Our IPs are outside the UK, so we don't hold a British TV license. That means it's filtered by the host, not my ISP.

I also get the "This item is not available in your country"-message on Ebay when trying access auctions for Nazi stuff.

Other than that, there is no censorship of internet websites in this country. If the ISP tried to initiate any such thing, customers would run from them like rats deserting a sinking ship, not to mention the public uproar that would create. The government cannot censor anything, and neither can the country's biggest ISP, which is owned partially by the government. Reason? Our constitution says:

Article 5
[Freedom of expression]
(1) Every person shall have the right freely to express and disseminate his
opinions in speech, writing, and pictures and to inform himself without hindrance
from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom
of reporting by means of broadcasts and films shall be guaranteed.
There shall be no censorship.

(2) These rights shall find their limits in the provisions of general laws, in
provisions for the protection of young persons, and in the right to personal
honor.


That said, I can still access TBN.

Peachy
 

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And yet you still can't buy Nazi stuff. ;)

There are still some things that are censored in Germany, mainly Nazi/Socialist related things. Whether they have the ability to censor that kind of thing on the Internet (say, some guy in Russia starts a pro-Nazi group) I can't rightly say.

--Danny :ninja:
 

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that's just strange. it's like the 'scene not found' in nine inch nail's "i wanna f*ck you like an animal" video. it's just blacked over.
still hard to get my head around it.
 

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And yet you still can't buy Nazi stuff. ;)

There are still some things that are censored in Germany, mainly Nazi/Socialist related things. Whether they have the ability to censor that kind of thing on the Internet (say, some guy in Russia starts a pro-Nazi group) I can't rightly say.

--Danny :ninja:
The ISPs won't bother censoring that stuff because it's too much work that they are not legally required to do, and they won't get extra money from it. Ebay does censor that kind of stuff because they have quite a big business going on in Germany and don't want any trouble from the authorities.
There's actually been a debate about making ISPs censor right-wing extremist sites from other countries, but I think it came to nothing as the legal grounds upon which the government could base such a laws were more than thin.

As you can see by my above quote from the constitution, the freedom of speech is confined by the laws protecting minors (that's why all German porn sites must have an age verification system...or just emigrate to the Netherlands after a recent court decision) and people's personal honor, as common sense would predict. The ban on Nazi stuff is for historical reasons, obviously. Reminds me of entering an antiques store in Georgia with my family, and upon hearing that we didn't speak English amongst ourselves and finding out (by asking) that we were German, the store owner immediately advised us that he carried some interesting WWII / Nazi stuff in his store.

But we were originally talking about AB/DL sites, and those do not fall into any of the categories mentioned.

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I don't agree with the fact that they banned violent (faked) porn, but I've already made a big rant about that.

This is one of the reasons I dislike the UK, too much nannying. It's fair enough too ban child porn and things of that nature, but to ban harmful ideas? That's just stupid. I'm even against them banning highly racist sites, or sites spreading terrorist ideals.

We're a long way from China though, but I'd rather avoid beginning that slippery slope.
 

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Just do as those in Saudi Arabia do...use a proxy to get around the ban. There are very few sites that cannot be accessed in this manner.

Although, I have to say that whole "this video cannot be viewed in your country" thing really irks me!! Who is the US (or Britain) to tell me what I can or cannot see in CANADA?
 

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I understand disallowing people from other countries seeing BBC programmes (or American programs), because those programmes are paid for from the TV licence fee, and you don't pay for the TV licence. Why should I pay for something you watch?

It's far from censorship though.
 
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Just do as those in Saudi Arabia do...use a proxy to get around the ban. There are very few sites that cannot be accessed in this manner.

Although, I have to say that whole "this video cannot be viewed in your country" thing really irks me!! Who is the US (or Britain) to tell me what I can or cannot see in CANADA?
agreed.
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know it and use it.
 

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agreed.
Tor: anonymity online
know it and use it.
:laugh: can't access it!
i knew this'd happen ages ago: 'they' (y'know, 'them', 'the man', dotGov, big business, etc) would see the commercial exploitability of the net and then mould it around what 'they' want.
all the mainstream sites are okay......well, UK and US sites: anything else seems a matter of pot-luck.

and speaking of dotGov and commerce censorship [being hand-in-hand], have you noticed how limited decent res pictures of the beijing games are? you only seem to be able to get 'official' images, for free, at low resolutions and better quality, not free, ones from the official distributors are only available to those who are in the commercial press.
some time ago, i made a metaphorical comment of how china was sucking the cock of capitalism............i now know that china swallows.
 
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