Canadian Prime Minsiter Candidates 2008

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Chillhouse

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Yes, that's right, the Canadians have a big election coming up pretty soon too. Our election may be in the shadow of the American election, but we're still here. The presidential hopefuls have been campaigning for roughly 2 years with world-wide coverage, but I'll bet most people outside of Canada don't know what exactly a Stephan Dion is.Oh well.

To the Candians: Which party wil be getting your vote if/when you can vote this fall election?

Also, what is your opinion on our government pulling a fast one and declaring a last-minute election for some weird reason? Personaly, I think it's a waste of time. No one is going to change their vote, and the Conservatives will still be in power. The NDPs are crazy, and no one likes Dion. I can't see anything changing.

I'm also just a tad bit annoyed at the amount of attack adds that have been filling up my precious television. You know the ones I'm talking about. I watch American television channels sometimes, and I never see Obama passive-aggressively attacking McCain through some cowardly add, or vice-versa. Maybe we should be more like Americans. No, that was not a missprint.

 

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Despite how much this election is overshadowed by the American one, it is still very important for us Canadians, though I might argue that the results of the American election will have a greater impact on politics here in Canada than the results of the Canadian one. If I'm not mistaken the election was called, because the Conservatives thought that they were in the position to move from being a minority government to a majority government. If I could vote, I'd probably vote Green or NDP, because frankly the Liberals and Conservatives are a little too conservative for my liking and haven't done a great job running the country in recent times in my opinion. I too hate the campaigning that is done on TV and in newspapers, because all of the politicians are lying and wasting my time. My personal view is that all politicians are liars and you just need to pick the one that's lying the least!
 

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Harper's justification in calling an election is sketchy at best- he claims that Parliament was too divided and too disruptive, but his government was passing pretty much everything they put on the table. I think it had more to do with all the scandals his party was caught up in, or that he knows he can take a majority government.

Dion is laughably bad. Like, Stockwell Day-bad. Horrible English, no charisma, complicated ideas... I'm a liberal, but I can't stand him, and I think he was a poor choice. His Green Shift, while actually a great idea and completely executable, is impossible to sell in a ten-second sound bite, which is all he gets to talk about it. The whole Liberal party is really in shambles- they should be going after Harper for his mismanagement of the economy, but instead they just keep blabbing about a "Green Economy."

Now, the NDP, they're doing it right. They have the best campaign so far, are playing great ads that attack Harper and Jack Layton is showing what a leader actually is. Latest polls show that they're neck-and-neck with the Liberals. If they could form the Official Opposition, it would make history, and would also prove for a very interesting Parliament. I'd like to see it.

The Greens are a joke, and Elizabeth May is more of an activist than she is a party leader. She actually said that voters should vote strategically, instead of for her own party, in order to get rid of Harper. That ain't leadership. Thus the joke.

Le Bloc de Quebec est un organization petit et... my French sucks. They won't win.

I was planning on voting Grit, but depending on how the polls turn out, I may vote NDP.

To all non-Canadians: Don't feel bad if none of this makes sense to you. Unlike in America, the world does not pay attention to what happens in Canada. But I will ask: did you know we were having an election?
 

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To all non-Canadians: Don't feel bad if none of this makes sense to you. Unlike in America, the world does not pay attention to what happens in Canada. But I will ask: did you know we were having an election?
Nope but then again I haven't been watching the new lately.
 

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I'm totally disgusted over the fact that the NDP and the Conservatives were going to boycott the debates on TV over the fact that the green party, a ligit party, wanted to join in on the debates. I was going to vote NDP, but I now have switched over the Green party as I feel that they have a better future for Canada in mind.

I'm also not crazy over the NDP's mandatory Organ Donor card sign-up, as I think it is quite a personal choice to make and not something you should FORCE upon someone...

Go Greens Go!!!
 
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I'm totally disgusted over the fact that the NDP and the Conservatives were going to boycott the debates on TV over the fact that the green party, a ligit party, wanted to join in on the debates. I was going to vote NDP, but I now have switched over the Green party as I feel that they have a better future for Canada in mind.

I'm also not crazy over the NDP's mandatory Organ Donor card sign-up, as I think it is quite a personal choice to make and not something you should FORCE upon someone...

Go Greens Go!!!
Someone didn't do they're research as to WHY they were going to boycott. Elizabeth May as noted earlier, has bee preaching strategic voting, specifically for the liberals. She would not be debating for her own party, she would be debating as to benefit the liberal party, I mean sure dion needs it, but it's simply not right to have two candidates debating to vote for the same party.

Personally I'm hoping for a slim liberal minority and with the ndp picking up major seats and holding the balance of power. I love my NDP and will be voting for them, I just think they do better work as a swing vote to interject their own platforms in small doses.
 

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Obviously she was doing that for a reason, cause she knew the the Liberals have a way better chance to win then the green party, and also the liberals are much more focused on the enviroment then the conservatives or the NDP, so no wonder why she was going to do that. I don't ever see Stephen Harper trying to clean up the environment, cause lets face it, he's from Alberta, that's like Texas to Canada, oil and natural gas wise, he last thing he's gonna do is to kill Alberta....
 

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Obviously she was doing that for a reason, cause she knew the the Liberals have a way better chance to win then the green party
Yes, definitely, but that's not what a leader does. Mako had it right- she's really just another leader for the Liberal Party, and putting her in the debate would be unfair to the NDP and the Conservatives.

I really don't like Harper, and if he gets a majority I will be scared... especially if the American election goes to McCain.

But I'm glad to see people my age talking about the election, and I think we should form a Canadian social group.
 

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The thing is...we say we're voting for a 'leader' but we're really voting for a particular 'party'. We elect MPs and the guy with the most MPs wins! I don't particularly like Stephan Dion, but can he be any worse than Harper? Jack Layton, well...let's face it, he isn't gonna win. And the Green Party is a bunch of activists who aren't really into politics for the right reasons.

I will vote on October 14th...and I expect I will vote the same way I have ever since I turned 18! Of course, this year I can't vote for "the cute gay guy" 'cause I don't live in his 'riding' any more! :(
 

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Mmmmmmmm, Stephen Harper scares the shit outta me, esp. with how close he is to Bush, you know, like, it's ok to be close with your neighbour, but they are like close-close, like Stephen Harper is Geroge Bush's bitch close, IMO. And we really do need to focus on the environment, like even if the earth doesn't "melt", everyone still agrees, or at least acknowledges that we are f-ing up the environment pretty bad... And thats another thing that scares me about Stephen Harper, is that he scrapped like $50 Million in green projects, while defending big companies that pollute....
 

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Yep, Harper is terrifying. It'd be funny (in it's own twisted, twisted way) if we give Harper a majority, but Obama wins in America, and then Canada goes right and America goes left.
 

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lol, thats funny, but what's really scary is that is a good possibility. Didn't Harper talk with the US and Mexico about making North America one country at one time? That's scary as well.

Man, this is turning out to be a scary, scary thread the more we talk about politics.....
 

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Didn't Harper talk with the US and Mexico about making North America one country at one time? That's scary as well.
I'm willing to bet that that's a rumour. The idea is so unpopular in every country that it's going to take a lot to make it happen.

Man, this is turning out to be a scary, scary thread the more we talk about politics.....
And that's why I love it so much!
 

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Nope, it's right here woof...

North American Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Prime Minister Harper officially endorses North American Union with Council of Foreign Relations visit

From the newspaper in the link above.
"Mr. Harper has been apparently directed by the principal funders of the Conservative Party of Canada, which are ideologically linked to the CFR, to assimilate Canada into a new "Fortress North America" which is controlled by the U.S. political-military-industrial complex by no later than 2010."

"Mr. Harper's speech at the CFR on 25 September 2007 affirms Mr. Harper's Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPPNA) commitment to hand over Canada to full control by no later than 2010, to a political fraternity which is associated with the current U.S. Bush administration. Mr. Harper's government apparently reports to the CFR."
How's that to scare ya?
 
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The only country set to benefit from a north american union is mexico. Canadians do not want it, nor do the americans.

Here's an interesting little video.
YouTube - Harper....Lowered Expectations.

He seriously has no clue about what happens outside the metropolitan area's then. The fundamentals of canada's economy are horribly, horribly flawed. Especially in northen ontario where a lot of city's are single industry based, or just hubs for outsourced call centres. Our country needs a serious overhaul when it comes to business.
 

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That's nothing to be scared of. It is not a single country! It's just an upgraded NAFTA, really. It wouldn't even be an extensive as the European Union. Anyways, it's not going to happen. No one wants to be weighed down by the USA any more than they already are.

Now, I'm probably going to vote for the NDP again, because in my riding the Conservative candidates are usually unable to speak English properly, and the Liberal candidate is a whore. At least with the NDP you get someone coherent who's campaign isn't focused on "Vote for my boobs". It doesn't matter though, because the Liberals will win here by a landslide no matter what. In fact, they are so confident that if the incumbant Liberal is leaving, you can literally buy the seat. You just have to donate/funraise the most money for the party, and presto the seat is yours. It doesn't even matter if you're qualified, you will get the nomination and you will win.

If my vote actually mattered and I had decent candidates, I would vote Conservative. I know that party from the inside, I have friends very involved in it, and while it is more right wing than I'd like, it's much better than the alternatives. The Liberals are a joke and their Green Shift will become one of the biggest tax grabs in our history, I assure you, and at a time when we can least afford it. No politician can resist a blank cheque like that, but I think the public realizes that. The NDP have no concept of fiscal responsibility, they just spend spend spend on social programs, which is fine because they know they will never be elected, so they might as well promise everything. Lastly, the Green are in no shape to govern; Their policies are crude, extremely ideological and the party is incoherent. Give them another decade then talk to me. Overall, Harper may be an asshole, but he's an asshole that knows how to do his job.
 

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Hardly. The "news article" is from a left-leaning organization and is more editorial than factual. If there were any hint of Harper wanted to for a NAU, the opposition would hit him so hard and so fast he'd wake up unemployed. A North American Union just isn't going to happen.
 

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When I vote, it is always for a candidate, not a party; the below is about what I would prefer to see, on a large scale.

I am a fiscal conservative/ social liberal... So of course I am a Green. Seriously, though there are some nutty non-starter policies that do nothing more than alienate many sensible voters, on the whole I like the Green platform. Don't stereotype us Greens, because of the large number of wingnuts in the party or the degree of their extremeness. Better an extreme Green than an extreme Conservative anyway!! (I have no idea what an "extreme Liberal" looks like.) And the NDP, their hearts are in the right place, but so often have unfeasible policies that could never work in the real world. I like most NDP people I have met though many of their ideas are unfeasible. Certainly I would be horrified at their running a govt; I don't trust them with money. They would spend uncontrollably.

But I also know from experience the value of a healthy opposition party, and if I had my way, the opposition would be Green or NDP, either would be fine. (The Liberal/Conservative combo is frightening; the difference between them mostly amounts to posturing.)
 
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I thought our leaders debate was awesome, I had both the VP debates and ours going at the same time, I ended up muting the VP one because ours was a lot more interesting. It felt really funny because I usually joke about how I know more about american politics, because ours are boring. But that debate had some teeth in it, though many people are whining about the "rules" and such. Bah to them, that debate is how you make canadians pay attention.

For those that missed it
YouTube - Canadian Federal Election Debate 2008 (English) (1 of 13)
(Warning) the voices are distorted for the first bit, but they do correct near the end of the video and through the rest of the playlist. I do have to give elizabeth may kudos for handling herself quite well. Layton nailed my feelings towards harper at the end of the first part of the video and the beginning of the second.
 
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