Atheism and god and stuff

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Korey

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Well I been an atheist before I knew religion existed, and im not really an anti-christ or anything I just think you can be a good person without a book telling you how to be that good person. But what made me come and post this shizzle, is the following quote I just read about three minutes ago, on 4chan, sorry moo....


"HEY ATHEISTS

You sicken me. Did you ever stop to think about how beautiful the world is? If you think this all happened by chance you deserve your future stay in Hell.

Evidence of His existence is everywhere, but you only see what you choose to. He does not reveal Himself to disbelievers, why should he?"

I had that thought before, like I did have some pretty good, fair, unbiased debates about gods existence, but that quote right there, haha, could be true you never know. Ill take my chances.

And like I said before, ill be a good person without the bible telling me to... Anyways, discuss, I guess.
 
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As an atheist, my only answer would be:

Well if you happen to be right, I'll enjoy my stay right next to you, because surely no God would all such a hateful person into heaven.
 

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As a Christian, I do disagree with you. However, I realize my religion isn't the only one on this Earth, and I respect that. I am not saying all atheists are condemned to Hell, but I am saying that there will not be just one religion. Someone has to go to Hell. It could be the Atheists, the Radicals, the Mormons, the Muslims, or even the Christians. We just don't know. Absolutely nobody will know until they die, and either go to Heaven or Hell. I don't really believe this, but the Bible could be just something someone told someone else. It may not be true. However, I believe it is.

Please don't take it the wrong way. I don't want all the other religions to go to Hell, I was just naming the first ones that came to mind.
 
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Dear believer,

The universe is one big coincidence and chance does exist. Of all the planets that orbit the billions of stars in our galaxy and of all the billions of galaxies in the universe, the rate for some sort of life (not necessarily intelligent) becomes exceedingly high. The fact that we, humans, exists is the most prime example of chance being successful.

And beauty is a perceptive word. One may perceive this world as beautiful and seek to protect it, another may see it as ugly and is apathetic to it's destruction. The fact the world is beautiful is merely a jaded opinion and all too much of a cop-out of an excuse that God exists, since beauty itself is subjective.

Conversely, evidence against his existence is everywhere. But I guess you only choose to see what you want to... and isn't it just oh so convenient that he doesn't reveal himself to non-believers.

If God was so strung up on people following his word, then you'd think he'd give people a definitive reason to believe - like revealing himself. If he were to exist, I'm sure he'd had bigger things to contend with than the alternate views of a few, much like how a human has better things to do than worry about an ant.

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Someone has to go to Hell.
Why does someone have to go to hell? That's the thing about religious holy books (Bible, Qur'an, Torah, etc.) that I just can't accept. It's not logical. I'm sorry though. Not trying to make you mad or anything. Just saying what's on my mind. It COULD be true, but it doesn't make sense to me. It does to others though.

It's funny how so many different religions have so much in common. I think maybe they're all right in some ways and all wrong in some ways.

I try to follow a lot (but obviously not every) of Christianity's teachings and believe in God. I don't even know for 100% certain what I believe though. I have many ideas. Mostly, I just believe there's something and I want to be right about that. I know that maybe there's nothing, but I don't want to believe that. That's depressing.
 

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Why does someone have to go to hell? That's the thing about the Bible that I just can't accept. It's not logical. I'm sorry though. Not trying to make you mad or anything. Just saying what's on my mind. And it's funny how so many different religions have so much in common. I think maybe they're all right in some ways and all wrong in some ways.

I try to follow a lot (but obviously not every) of Christianity's teachings and believe in God. I don't even know for 100% certain what I believe though. I have many ideas. Mostly, I just believe there's something and I want to be right about that. I know that maybe there's nothing, but I don't want to believe that. That's depressing.
Hmm, I don't know. I've actually wondered this myself. "Why does anyone have to go to Hell?" Well, I believe that the only people that should go to Hell are people who murder others, on purpose and not at all for good reasons, and those who commit suicide. Oh, and rapists. If you hate yourself, and life is terrible, why not just see a therapist? They will almost always listen to you, and can help you through a bad situation. Besides, if your life is that bad, there's only one way to go, and that's up.

As for rape, this is just horrible. People who do these kinds of things disgust me. I have ALOT of tolerance for Gay and Bi people, people who have weird fetishes, but this is just wrong. Nobody should ever be forced to perform a sex act they don't want to, and the people who do it should definitely get death. I'm sorry, but that is how I feel.
 
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Hmm, I don't know. I've actually wondered this myself. "Why does anyone have to go to Hell?" Well, I believe that the only people that should go to Hell are people who murder others, on purpose and not at all for good reasons, and those who commit suicide. Oh, and rapists. If you hate yourself, and life is terrible, why not just see a therapist? They will almost always listen to you, and can help you through a bad situation. Besides, if your life is that bad, there's only one way to go, and that's up.

As for rape, this is just horrible. People who do these kinds of things disgust me. I have ALOT of tolerance for Gay and Bi people, people who have weird fetishes, but this is just wrong. Nobody should ever be forced to perform a sex act they don't want to, and the people who do it should definitely get death. I'm sorry, but that is how I feel.
Before I gave up on the concept of God, I believed that evil people would go to hell, and good people would end up heaven. Religion didn't matter, it seemed a bit unfair that someone who never was exposed to the "right" religion would be condemned to hell.
 
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There are plenty of non-Abrahamic faiths out there. The trouble with the Big Three (Christianity, Islam, and Judeaism) is that their scripture teaches that God is perpetually displeased with humanity and is itching for a reason to send people to Hell.

That's a big turn-off to a whole bunch of people.

In Wicca, by contrast, we revere a paired God and Goddess that love us and want us to be happy, fulfilled, and complete. There is no Hell or Devil in the Wiccan theology. Evil people who make evil decisions will have pay for their misdeeds, but not by burning in Hell. They pay by having a really rough subsequent incarnation. In Wicca, life is supposed to teach us. Life is a gift, not a curse.

I wonder why Wicca is the fastest-growing religion in the United States?
 
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I am sure it is either one of two ways, if there is a Christian God.

Either EVERYONE goes to hell and pays for what they did, or, NO ONE goes to hell. Quite simple.
 

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Ah, what the heck. I view the existence of a deity as a logical impossibility. Or at the very least, the existence of a deity deserving of our worship. So in my opinion, there is no pre-existing meaning to life, there is no after life, good or bad, and there is no unseen being guiding everything.

That being said, Life doesn't have to be meaningless if you don't want it to be. Go out and change the world to give yourself a purpose. I'll just take as good a life as I can get without causing harm to others and be happy with that.
 
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Ah, what the heck. I view the existence of a deity as a logical impossibility. Or at the very least, the existence of a deity deserving of our worship.
Which is where my belief lies. In the infinitely improbable chance that any of the religions that incorporate hell are right, I'd rather go to hell and keep my humanity, then to give up who I am, the good and the bad, and worship an oppressive and cruel overlord.

YouTube - Hell: an excessive punishment
 
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Buddhism, Wicca, Shamanism, and Shintoism don't have a "hell". They also predate Christianity, which I tend to think of as a "boogyman" religion.
 
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Buddhism, Wicca, Shamanism, and Shintoism don't have a "hell". They also predate Christianity, which I tend to think of as a "boogyman" religion.
 

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There are plenty of non-Abrahamic faiths out there. The trouble with the Big Three (Christianity, Islam, and Judeaism) is that their scripture teaches that God is perpetually displeased with humanity and is itching for a reason to send people to Hell.

That's a big turn-off to a whole bunch of people.
I'm a Christian and for the most part I'm agreeing with you athiests about this idea the God is seen as a vengeful God. Unfortunately that really is a misnomer. God IS a loving God and desires for us to be in relationship with God. There are people, who call themselves Christian (or Islamists or Jews) that are judgemental enough to want those who are not like them to be sent to hell. There are times God is not happy with people, but it is never a situation of want to send people to hell.

Why would Jesus come to earth and mingle among the lowliest and sharing his love with all people? He set the standard by which all of us are to relate to God and with others in the world. "To love God with all your heart soul and mind and to love our neighbors."

As for those who are athiests or any other belief other than what mine is I care for you and love you with all my heart. I don't expect you to believe like I do, nor do I ever desire for any of you to receive any horrible punishment. We all have our own understandings.
 

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Why does someone have to go to hell? That's the thing about religious holy books (Bible, Qur'an, Torah, etc.) that I just can't accept. It's not logical. I'm sorry though. Not trying to make you mad or anything. Just saying what's on my mind. It COULD be true, but it doesn't make sense to me. It does to others though.

It's funny how so many different religions have so much in common. I think maybe they're all right in some ways and all wrong in some ways.

I try to follow a lot (but obviously not every) of Christianity's teachings and believe in God. I don't even know for 100% certain what I believe though. I have many ideas. Mostly, I just believe there's something and I want to be right about that. I know that maybe there's nothing, but I don't want to believe that. That's depressing.
Not everything in the Bible, or other holy tomes for that matter, is meant to be taken literally, it is meant to be interpreted. I believe that one only goes to Hell if, after they die, they see God and tell Him they would rather be separated from Him. :educate:

To dprdinky: Great post.
 

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What I'm seeing and realizing more and more as I read through these threads is how extremely unique everybody is. Part of the reason why there is so much anger, frustration, long debate, etc. over religion and science is that they address issues that are potentially the most important ones that there are. Because these issues are so important, everyone is going to think about them in some way, and these thoughts become our perception of what our lives are all about.



As I mentioned in another thread, I've grown pretty interested in seeing WHY different people view the world in the different ways that they do. Part of the problem is that we rarely feel comfortable enough with people to be 100% honest about our own perceptions. Whether it's "moral" guilt and social rejection that we might get from a religious group or a sense of belittlement or resentment that we might get from a more scientific mind, we don't always feel comfortable putting our own feelings out there.


For example, when I read the original quote that Korey posted, I am saddened and frustrated by the mentality and words that the person used. However, I also wanted to think about why that person holds the view they do. It's impossible to say without talking to the person extensively, but my impression is that the person has reached a state of comfort, confidence, and peace about his religion. When someone else (an atheist, for example) mentions a possibility that would threaten his/her comfortable state of existence, his/her initial response is to shut down the atheist view and convince him/herself that he/she is the one that is right and that the atheists will be punished.

Of course, this is a stubborn and close-minded way of viewing everything, and unfortunately it creates hate inside the person that affects others. But, for the person to seriously challenge his/her own perception of the world, there could be much pain and frustration for the person...at an extreme end, it could even lead to a sense of lost hope or depression...and maybe even a danger to the person or others around him/her. For one person to change their religious view may be an invigorating and enlightening experience, for another it could be the worst torture imaginable. Again, this goes back to the uniqueness of everyone.


That's why I've enjoyed seeing the Personality Test thread....it shows how diverse and unique all of us are. It can be maddeningly frustrating when a lot of other people don't see life the same way that you do...but at the same time, that's what makes us actual people...that we're not all the same.


I do think it's a shame that we can't all be honest about religious issues. I honestly believe that every single person has fears and misgivings about their own views, no matter what they are. Whether it's a religious person's faith in their beliefs being tested when they see alternative viewpoints or an atheist feeling saddened to accept that there may be no afterlife, I think that everyone has their own downsides to their worldview...and almost all of the time we don't feel comfortable putting those out on the table. At the same time, however, I also think that we all end up choosing the worldview that makes the MOST sense to us, or that helps us live our lives in the most enjoyable way possible. And I wish we could all help each other reach our own unique points of maximum peace and happiness instead of trying to change other people just for our own satisfaction.


I know this was more of a rambling rant with no direction than anything else, but these are just some of the things that I feel when I start thinking about these issues.
 

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Proud atheist over here. I can't stand the radical religious-types.
 

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From what I seen the probability of there being a god who made everything is more likely then the whole universe just being there by chance. Plus if there is no god you still got to explain where matter/space came from.

Then again you would have to do the same thing with god. But it's said god has "always been" so in the scientific approach that's also impossible and if that is the case then it seams like some form of "magic" is real.

But in the end I'll accept that there's a god since from what I seen it makes a lot more since then the universe just coming from nowhere. (I mean Pre-big bang, all that matter HAS to come from somewhere)
 
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