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I guess I am in fact, although I haven't really considered myself one in name. The original show was one of my first childhood TV obsessions and I avidly awaited each new movie when they went that route. I wasn't an instant convert to TNG but I watched faithfully and it finally got good. I've had varying degrees of success with the other series but I've seen every episode except the DS9 baseball episode, which I'm boycotting due of general silliness. The latest movies are excellently cast but don't feel much like Star Trek to me. I'm curious to see what will happen now that Abrahms is out of the director's chair. Perhaps we'll see something that isn't a retread.
 

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yup. seen every episode of every series and i collect the action figures
 

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Longtime Trekkie here. I grew up watching The Next Generation, and I loved it. I always loved the thoughtfulness of it, that the solution wasn't just shooting everything until it smoked. I never got into DS9 as a teen, but I think I was just a bit too young to really get the nuance and depth of it. I watched Voyager for the first two seasons, but I felt like it just wasn't getting better.

It's funny, as I had relatively little exposure to the original series until I was a bit older. Consequently, while I can appreciate it by way of it being the original and being groundbreaking for its era, I don't have the love for it like I do for TNG. It's a fine show, but I have to remind myself that it's 1960s storytelling and television hadn't quite gotten to rich nuance and depth yet.
 

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Well I was to a Star Trek convention in 1978 and met "Scotty". I own all three seasons of the original. I know the episodes but can not name them off the top of my head.

I liked TNG, and got bored with deep space 9, and pretty much everything after that.

I liked the first Movies, but when they changed the time reality for the new movies I lost all interests (excuse me but Spock never had a thing for Ohura!)

So does that make me a treky?
 

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I would describe myself as somewhat of a trekkie. My basic rundown:

Origional Series:
- Liked it, still watchable but in a nostalgic kinda way, if I hadn't seen it as a kid it probably wouldn't have the same appeal at all

TNG:
- Liked it, but hasn't aged particularly well. Still has some very solid episodes, but the vast majority of episodes feel kinda lame now.

DS9:
- Loved it. Yes it was a cliche war story done in space, but it was a really damn good cliche war story done in space. I especially loved how they fixed the various races (especially the klingons) such that they actually made sense rather than being 1 dimensional plot devices.

Voyager:
- Boring characters, boring stories, and an entire season dedicated to a character who got boring 3 episodes in. A small number of ok episodes, but never could get into it. The Janeway character in particular was quite terrible. They went overboard with the strong female character thing, and we ended up with this all powerful all knowing and entirely unbelievable captain. You got the impression that the crew was just there for her convenience, as she was pretty much an expert on everything.

Enterprise:
- Absolutely loved the look and feel, hated the characters and stories. They really nailed the whole early explorer vibe, and the ship felt a lot more realistic (especially details such as the engine room and the control panels), but the characters were dull and flat (much like Voyager) and the stories were unoriginal and predictable. The heavy reliance on time travel as a plot device in particular really killed the show for me (I hate time travel centred plots unless they are done really well, and these wern't). Also what they did with the Vulcan's was damn criminal!

The Movies:

Not a fan of the generations movies, and really they are all kind of meh, with the possible exception of wrath of khan.

The latest movies are excellently cast but don't feel much like Star Trek to me.

The RedLetterMedia "Mr. Plinket" review of the first reboot (http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-09/) pretty much sums up all my feelings about the movie. They basically turned star trek from science fiction to star wars style science fantasy, but that in mind they made a pretty damn good movie and it was pretty much the only way it was going to happen given current audiences and the history of the series.
 
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I am a big trekkie. Love TOS,TNG,DS9. Voyager was meh and ENT was awful.

Also does anyone have netflix here?

If someone could check something that be great. Is there any episodes missing from the tv series.
 

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I love startrek, My favourites are TNG, and DS9. Never really got into TOS other than the movies and a few key episodes. I like VOY and ENT as well. The new start trek movies are kinda dumb imo, coulda been called "SPACE MOVIE" and have gotten the same reaction, the only thing trek about it are the names of the characters.
 

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I am a "Trekker"! Trekkie is a derogatory term from the 60s given by those who don't have a clue or are star wars fans.
 

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I am a "Trekker"! Trekkie is a derogatory term from the 60s given by those who don't have a clue or are star wars fans.
Also used by those of us that don't take ourselves too seriously. I used to be a Trekker. I don't get too worked up about it these days, though.
 

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Well I was to a Star Trek convention in 1978 and met "Scotty". I own all three seasons of the original. I know the episodes but can not name them off the top of my head.

I liked TNG, and got bored with deep space 9, and pretty much everything after that.

I liked the first Movies, but when they changed the time reality for the new movies I lost all interests (excuse me but Spock never had a thing for Ohura!)

So does that make me a treky?

I also love Star Trek, all versions.
I have met "Scotty", "Spock", "Uhura", "Counselor Troi", and "Worf" at different conventions over the years in the Boston Area.
 

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Well I was to a Star Trek convention in 1978 and met "Scotty". I own all three seasons of the original. I know the episodes but can not name them off the top of my head.

I liked TNG, and got bored with deep space 9, and pretty much everything after that.

I liked the first Movies, but when they changed the time reality for the new movies I lost all interests (excuse me but Spock never had a thing for Ohura!)

So does that make me a treky?

It would make you a true Treky. I think Sheldon from Big Bang Theory would agree. I watched the first series when I was in college, so yes, I'm that old. In my opinion, it broke some new ground, and much was said about it. I enjoyed The Next Generation, and the movies. I still go and see the movies, the latest being quite good, I thought. But like others, as the other TV incarnations came along, I drifted away, almost like I was caught in a tracter beam. As for the Borq, didn't they assemble themselves into a single, human looking entity and position themselves as a member on the Supreme Court? No wonder he's so difficult.
 

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I've enjoyed many episodes of the various TV shows as well as many of the movies. I wouldn't call myself a Trekker (or Trekkie), though. Further, I seem to have a special appreciation for the movies that most Trekkers don't care for, such as the original Motion Picture, as well as the recent J. J. Abrams installments.
 

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I've enjoyed many episodes of the various TV shows as well as many of the movies. I wouldn't call myself a Trekker (or Trekkie), though. Further, I seem to have a special appreciation for the movies that most Trekkers don't care for, such as the original Motion Picture, as well as the recent J. J. Abrams installments.
The Motion Picture was a solid, if entirely too long, movie (and why do they keep finding more footage? It should have been no more than 90 minutes to begin with!). The Abrams installments, on the other hand... Absolutely terrible.

Now the real question is, do you like Star Trek V: The Final Frontier?
 
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Call me a trekker or trekker, I don't get bothered by either term. I loved the original series when I was a kid. It was the first and came up with a lot of high concept ideas that were developed in the later series. I agree, it looks a little cheesy now, but it was the first science fiction series on television that was intelligent and well written. Does anyone remember the last episode when a woman developed a plan to swap bodies with Kirk so she could become a captain? She had serious mental health problems but cracked under the pressure and Kirk managed to get his body and ship back. So here we were in the 23rd century and women were still not allowed to be captains of starships. Sixties sexism in the future.

I thought The Next Generation got off to a bad start. The first year, in particular, was pretty bad. The plots were all derivative of recycled ideas or they made little sense. It improved a bit in the second year, and actually had some good ideas about sentience with stories about Data and holodeck characters with self awareness. The second season also had the first appearance of the Borg, and you actually see the Enterprise get it's ass kicked. I found that the quality and consistency of the show improved in the third season and this is where the show took off. Well written, great ideas, and well acted, especially by Patrick Stewart as the captain. 'Yesterday's Enterprise' Sarek, and the Best of Both World's knocked it out of the park. I thought the best season was the fourth for exceptional quality. The episode 'Family' was the only series that focussed on the characters without the Enterprise bridge being seen for the entire episode.

The fifth and sixth seasons had some great shows, but at this time you were seeing a few duds and it seemed the show was reaching it's 'best before' date. Still there was some brilliance in shows like 'The Outcast' which does a flip with heterosexual relationships as not being desired in an alien species and makes a sober statement on gay rights and conversion therapy, all without using the word gay, even once. Just brilliant. The other highlights were 'Chain of Command' a two parter dealing with the ethics of torture, and 'The Inner Light' where Picard lives a simple, fulfilling life within the space of an hour, and wakes up realizing what he has given up in his real life, such as family and close friends. I felt the series stuck around at least a year longer than it should have, because the seventh season was just pretty average with nothing really standing out except 'Lower Decks' which focused on lowly crew members and not the main characters.

I always thought Deep Space Nine was underrated, possibly because fans expected Star Trek to be about a ship in Space, and if there's no ship, there's no trek to go on.. I liked the fact that they were doing something different, and serializing a Star Trek show. Like TNG, it struggled in it's first few years and didn't really take off until the fourth year.Sisko became more of a badass, Worf was brought in, and The Dominion became the threat. The series made intelligent observations showing the impact of war, much grittier than the previous shows had done, and the characters were more interesting and less perfect than in the other shows. They could also do great comedy with 'Little Green Men' and the one where they went back in time to the original Tribble episode and were blended in with the original crew. The standout show was 'Far Beyond the Stars' where Sisko wakes up in the past and lives a life as a Black author trying to get his story published about a Space station called Deep Space Nine. It was one of the best commentaries on racism any Star Trek series has ever done. Deep Space Nine never really got a chance to stand on it's own. It started during the time TNG was doing well, and when TNG ended, the new Voyager series started immediately afterwards, so people never really gravitated towards DS9. It was lways the middle child and never really given it's due. Something like Jan in The Brady Bunch (it's always Marcia, Marcia, Marcia).

I think Paramount believed that Star Trek could be a never-ending cash cow, so when TNG was ending and DS9 doing well, they insisted on starting a new series, even though the writers and producers were against the idea, preferring to focus on one show and do it well. With Voyager, they went back to the starship concept, and thought it was time for a woman captain. They also the the crew far out of the galaxy to isolate them with some renegades to provide conflict, but they never capitalized on only of this and Voyager became a run of the mill series, rereading and retelling stories the other series had already done. The rating reflected this so they brought in a Borg in the fourth season, and the remainder of the series gave Seven of Nine far too much attention. The other characters in the show were not defined and pretty much ignored, making it difficult o care about any of them. Voyager at least improved to the extent that they produced some pretty good 'action' shows with some pretty good concepts, but overall, I didn't think it had the same intelligence or quality of writing that was seen in the previous series. I was also annoyed that the Borg were supposed to be the badass villains of Star Trek, yet here was Janeway kicking their assed every week with her little ship.

The less said about Enterprise, the better. This was the first Star Trek series that just plain bored me. Scott Bakula was wasted as a bumpkin captain, and the new concept, a prequel, was squandered. It was apparent that Star Trek was running out of any new ideas. The captain, Vulcan, and engineer, were just a pale copy of Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and the series was already stealing ideas from the other series bringing in the Borg and the Ferengi,several centuries prior to their appearances on the other shows. I liked the fact that they at least tried a new concept by serializing the show for a one year adventure in 'The Expanse' but I think at this point it was too little too late, and the concept went on a little too long to remain interesting. Cool ship though.

As far as the movies go, I think TOS fared better than TNG, with my favourites being The Wrath of Khan, which actually addressed the fact that they were getting older, The Voyage Home, a comedy with an environmental message, and the Undiscovered Country. I liked the first hour of Star Trek The Motion Picture, seeing the crew reuniting and the new Enterprise looked great on the big screen, but the second hour just dragged, which is why it is often referred to as Star Trek the Motionless Picture. I would have to nominate Star Trek The Final Frontier as the worst Star Trek movie ever. Never let Shatner direct or write a movie again, it's a disaster.

I always thought TNG got shafted. They had a great series, but the movies were pretty dull and uninspired, although First Contact was a pretty good action flick overall. The first movie, Generations, was a real letdown. Picard is portrayed as a whiny, moping captain, who needs Kirk to help him defeat Soren, because apparently Kirk can punch him out, whereas Picard can't! Kirk's death scene was pretty bad and his last word were kinda dumb 'it was fun, oh my.' Oh, god! The remainder of the movies weren't totally horrible, just nothing exceptional.

I must admit, I like the new movies. Although they are far from perfect, at least they revitalized a dying franchise, after the Enterprise series and some pretty dull TNG movies. I hope the next film is a bit more thoughtful and less of an action flick and brings back the Star Trek philosophy, but overall I think they had a good start. At least people are turning out to these movies. Let's face it, the previous casts didn't necessarily start off with a big bang when they went to the big screen so I'm willing to give the new cast a break. I think the next film will be coming out in 2016 which would be awesome because it will be the 50th anniversary of Star Trek.

If anyone wants to PM me about Star Trek, or join the Star Trek group, please feel free to do so.
 
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I have to politely disagree with you about the first season of TNG. When I was younger, I was right there with you. It felt slow, and sometimes it showed that the characters and the show itself were still finding their groove. I recently rewatched the first season, though, and now, I find it one of the best seasons of the show. I particularly liked the fact that it carried story elements through multiple episodes, and I actually really liked the conspiracy in the upper ranks storyline that they played out over several episodes. I'm sad that they never did anything like that through the rest of the show. Most of the show makes no reference even to events that happened previously, and they obviously knew how to do it since they did it in Season 1.

I felt that the characters made more sense (albeit within the framework of figuring out who they were). Tasha Yar was the better security chief, and I loved the dynamic of a strong female in that role. I mean, Worf is the easy and lazy choice (big burly guy is head of security nurrr), but Yar had so much more dimension. It's a shame Denise Crosby didn't stick with it, since by the time Yar died the character was becoming really quite interesting. I still like the idea of the blind guy driving the ship. I think one of the problems the first season particularly suffered from was that of too many good characters. Yar and Worf are both good characters, but I don't know that there was enough for both of them. Geordi and Wesley Crusher both were good characters, but trying to have both be driving didn't work. After Wesley starts on the bridge, Geordi just kinda hangs around for the rest of the season. Frankly, for as clever as Wesley was, I think it would have been neat had they put him as the wunderkind face of engineering (and then have one of the Chief Engineers of the week in the background as a "tutor").

And honestly, I liked the episode Skin of Evil. It's actually a really lame episode, at least in the resolution of the situation. What I liked, though, is that it shows how rough-and-tumble it still is out there. I mean, Tasha Yar's death is absolutely pointless. She didn't go out in a blaze of glory. She wasn't doing anything cool or special. She just got whacked while doing her job. And that's the whole point-Starfleet occasionally is a dangerous organization to work for, and she got killed by stupid shit that happened.


I will say that Seasons 3 and 4 were absolutely rock solid, though. Season 5 was kinda hit and miss. Season 6 was entertaining, but I feel like they started to lose sight of the characters after Berman completely took charge of the show. I mean, Chain of Command with Picard, Doctor Crusher, and Worf playing commando? That was the worst episode of the entire show IMO. Why is Picard last action hero all the sudden? And the doctor? The entire plot makes no sense, and everyone comes off looking absolutely whiny or incompetent. Riker being a whiny bitch that the new guy started changing things? STFU and do your job! The new guy not even listening to the input of the crew that's been there for six years? Absolutely not management material, let alone good enough to get him a captain's gig. Starfleet sending the captain of the Federation's flagship on an extremely dangerous mission for dubious gain? WHAT?

And then there was that episode they did where Riker fell in love with the genderless girl that actually had a gender (The Outcast). It was nothing more than Rick Berman's attempt to get the LGBT community off his back, and it was a shit episode that blatantly showed conversion therapy was successful. Being gendered is a phase? Go get some therapy and you'll be ok! It was absolutely demeaning to the LGBT community it was attempting to include. The entire episode felt contrived and forced. Actually, I take back what I said about Chain of Command. THIS was the worst episode of TNG. Rick Berman could have gone on TV and called us all a bunch of fags and been less anti-gay than was this episode.

Season 7 was pretty rough (although Thine Own Self was a brilliant episode!). The show itself could have staggered on for probably two more seasons, but it would have been rough. Paramount knew it, too, which is why they canceled it. They didn't want three Star Trek shows competing against each other, and TNG was running out of life by then. All Good Things, though, was a great conclusion!

Oh, and The Inner Light? Best episode of the entire series! Truth be told, I tear up every time I watch it. So moving and powerful!
 

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Now the real question is, do you like Star Trek V: The Final Frontier?
It's certainly not one of my favorites. I'd probably watch it again before I'd watch Insurrection or Search for Spock, though. Something about Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon was just horribly distracting.
 

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It's certainly not one of my favorites. I'd probably watch it again before I'd watch Insurrection or Search for Spock, though. Something about Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon was just horribly distracting.
Oh come now, Search for Spock wasn't terrible! ;) It at least had the good decency to be only 93 minutes. Final Frontier had such a neat premise, but they pissed it away at the end. If you ever read some of the production history, though, it all makes so much more sense. Apparently that script went through several rewrites, and the rock circle was meant to have demons and basically be a battle between heaven and hell. Of course, they decided that was way way too much money to make, so they kept hacking away at it until they got a script that fit their budget. I can forgive Sybok, but that ending? Peee Yew!
 
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I have to politely disagree with you about the first season of TNG. When I was younger, I was right there with you. It felt slow, and sometimes it showed that the characters and the show itself were still finding their groove. I recently rewatched the first season, though, and now, I find it one of the best seasons of the show. I particularly liked the fact that it carried story elements through multiple episodes, and I actually really liked the conspiracy in the upper ranks storyline that they played out over several episodes. I'm sad that they never did anything like that through the rest of the show. Most of the show makes no reference even to events that happened previously, and they obviously knew how to do it since they did it in Season 1.

I felt that the characters made more sense (albeit within the framework of figuring out who they were). Tasha Yar was the better security chief, and I loved the dynamic of a strong female in that role. I mean, Worf is the easy and lazy choice (big burly guy is head of security nurrr), but Yar had so much more dimension. It's a shame Denise Crosby didn't stick with it, since by the time Yar died the character was becoming really quite interesting. I still like the idea of the blind guy driving the ship. I think one of the problems the first season particularly suffered from was that of too many good characters. Yar and Worf are both good characters, but I don't know that there was enough for both of them. Geordi and Wesley Crusher both were good characters, but trying to have both be driving didn't work. After Wesley starts on the bridge, Geordi just kinda hangs around for the rest of the season. Frankly, for as clever as Wesley was, I think it would have been neat had they put him as the wunderkind face of engineering (and then have one of the Chief Engineers of the week in the background as a "tutor").

And honestly, I liked the episode Skin of Evil. It's actually a really lame episode, at least in the resolution of the situation. What I liked, though, is that it shows how rough-and-tumble it still is out there. I mean, Tasha Yar's death is absolutely pointless. She didn't go out in a blaze of glory. She wasn't doing anything cool or special. She just got whacked while doing her job. And that's the whole point-Starfleet occasionally is a dangerous organization to work for, and she got killed by stupid shit that happened.


I will say that Seasons 3 and 4 were absolutely rock solid, though. Season 5 was kinda hit and miss. Season 6 was entertaining, but I feel like they started to lose sight of the characters after Berman completely took charge of the show. I mean, Chain of Command with Picard, Doctor Crusher, and Worf playing commando? That was the worst episode of the entire show IMO. Why is Picard last action hero all the sudden? And the doctor? The entire plot makes no sense, and everyone comes off looking absolutely whiny or incompetent. Riker being a whiny bitch that the new guy started changing things? STFU and do your job! The new guy not even listening to the input of the crew that's been there for six years? Absolutely not management material, let alone good enough to get him a captain's gig. Starfleet sending the captain of the Federation's flagship on an extremely dangerous mission for dubious gain? WHAT?

And then there was that episode they did where Riker fell in love with the genderless girl that actually had a gender (The Outcast). It was nothing more than Rick Berman's attempt to get the LGBT community off his back, and it was a shit episode that blatantly showed conversion therapy was successful. Being gendered is a phase? Go get some therapy and you'll be ok! It was absolutely demeaning to the LGBT community it was attempting to include. The entire episode felt contrived and forced. Actually, I take back what I said about Chain of Command. THIS was the worst episode of TNG. Rick Berman could have gone on TV and called us all a bunch of fags and been less anti-gay than was this episode.

Season 7 was pretty rough (although Thine Own Self was a brilliant episode!). The show itself could have staggered on for probably two more seasons, but it would have been rough. Paramount knew it, too, which is why they canceled it. They didn't want three Star Trek shows competing against each other, and TNG was running out of life by then. All Good Things, though, was a great conclusion!

Oh, and The Inner Light? Best episode of the entire series! Truth be told, I tear up every time I watch it. So moving and powerful!

Well... at least I can agree with your last statement.

Really, The Inner Light was awesome.

I guess that's the thing that's always been interesting about Star Trek. Many people like the show but they rarely agree on which ones were great and which ones were really bad. A friend of mine always loved the episodes that I hated, and vice versa. She also thought 'Insurrection' was the best Star Trek film ever. I mean WTF? In spite of our many disagreements, we are both diehard fans.

I still have to disagree with your take on the first season. The show was trying to find it's way, but I really found the plots to be simplistic and desperate to steal stories and titles from the original series (see The Naked Now). Women were treated horribly in the first season, with Yar having to respect tradition in The Code of Honour and fight another woman for a man, Troi's pre-arranged marriage in Haven, and Starfleet feeling smug and superior to a matriarchal society in Angel One. This was hardly ground-breaking stuff! The big bad new villains were introduced in The Last Outpost: Ferengi who were about three feet high with bad teeth. And let's not forget 'the Wesley problem' of having a fifteen year old kid showing he was smarter than the captain and the adults by saving the ship every second week. There were valid reasons for the Campaign to Kill Off Wesley!

Tasha Yar was one of the characters I found to be most annoying in the first year. The backstory was interesting but it never paid off because of Crosby's bland, humourless portrayal of the character. I found this to be true of several of the characters. I didn't mind them killing her off, I just wish she would have stopped coming back in alternate timelines or as other characters like her own Romulan daughter. There was a rumour that when Data's cat died during filming that Denise Crosby was coming back to play the cat.

We can also agree about season three and four as being the best and most consistent. Season five started off strong with Darmok and Ensign Ro, but I was a little concerned with episodes like The Game showing up (not to mention Wesley was back for the show!). The two parter with Spock was okay but it didn't live up to the hype. Overall an interesting season. You had to look harder to find the gems in the final two seasons. My favourites were Relics ((the one with Scotty) Tapestry, where Picard relives his younger days without taking risks, Lower Decks, Thine Own Self (yeah, you're right) The Pegasus where Riker's former captain takes over a mission so he can cover up a past mistake, and Preemptive Strike, although this last one pissed off some fans because it was an Ensign Ro episode coming right before the series finale.

I still really liked The Chain of Command, especially for the opening scene. Watching Picard relieved of command without explanation was a bit of a surprise. I agree with your points that the secret mission could have been done by other crewmembers but it was fun watching the interaction between Worf and Crusher pettily challenging each other ('what, you're not scared, are you?'). And the second part was a real acting Tour de Force for Patrick Stewart as a prisoner to the Cardassian leader.

I got some interesting background about that episode at a Star Trek convention in 1994. It was the only convention we ever had here. We were listening to one of the writers, Ronald Moore, give the history how this show came about.

At the beginning of season six, Patrick Stewart was holding out for a new contract and there was a likelihood he wasn't coming back for the following year. The first part of Chain of Command was originally written to be a season-ender with a new captain possibly taking over the Enterprise permanently. If Stewart didn't come back, they were going to change the dynamic of the show by incorporating a bit more tension between the crew and the new captain. When Stewart finally signed a new contract for the following season, they wrote the second part and put it into the current sixth season. They weren't really sure what the second part was going to be about, since they didn't know if Stewart was in or out, but once he was confirmed they decided to make the second part about torture methods. They actually worked closely with Amnesty International when they wrote the second part. Still, it's interesting to think of what the show would have been like if they had to go in the other direction with the new captain. I didn't really like him myself.


I do agree with your assessment that The Outcast was submitted by Berman to get the LGBT community off his back. I recall the pressure he faced from the LGBT community a that time. During the middle of the fourth season, in fact, I remember an interview in The Advocate magazine where he announced that there was going to be a gay couple on the Enterprise. They were going to be regular, ongoing characters, and the fact that that they were gay was going to be considered a non issue (as it should be). I think Berman caved in to the religious groups and the sponsors because obviously we never got to see that happen. I recall Berman backing down and saying that rather than have a gay couple on the Enterprise, they were going to do something even better and devote a whole show to the issue and make a 'statement' within a sic-fi concept. Yeah, as a gay person myself, I found it a little bit cowardly and condescending.

Gene Roddenberry himself was visionary in some respects, envisioning a future where race is no longer an issue. It was unthinkable in 1966 to show an Asian, a Black person and a Russian working together. But his understanding of the feminist movement was lacking. Women in Star Trek during his time were usually portrayed as frightened creatures, needing to be protected and rescued by macho men. If they were strong, they had to be shown as cold hearted and unlikeable. And just look at the length of the miniskirts for the women of the crew.While it's true that Uhura was a Black woman on the bridge, she was basically relegated to 'answering the phones.' Roddenberry also had little interest in advancing the cause of LGBT rights, either in TOS or TNG. There was some hope that as his role diminished in the series and the movies that some of these issues would be addressed. We did see stronger women in later series, including a female captain, but not a gay character anywhere in sight. Even after Roddenberry's passing, they still don't seem to have the courage to acknowledge gays and lesbians in their utopian future. Sad.

After having said all that, I still have to disagree with your assessment of this episode. I spent a number of years living in closeted relationships because of the risk of violence, or losing friends or employment. I grew up in a time where nobody talked about gay relationships except to tell jokes about them. We were laughed and ridiculed if we were caught. We had to sneak into gay bars. Being gay was still on the list of mental health disorders.

From my perspective the show attempted to show these struggles that many of us faced, and the sadness of living a life in secret, unable to have relationships with the people you most care about. It wasn't supporting conversion therapy by any means, it was showing the tragedy and mean-spiritedness of a society that would deny a person the right to love freely and be who they are, and it rejected the concept that someone must be 'treated' just because they are different. That was the point the show was making: to be accepting people for who they are. I also trust the intentions of the author of this episode, Jeri Taylor. When she came onto the show she expressed her interest in writing progressive stories for women and seeing the show as an opportunity to be a voice for other marginalized groups and portraying them in a positive light.
 
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