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If you don't want "your" people to die, elect a government that won't drag your soldiers into stupid wars where they get killed. Apparently, the Uk government did send their troups there against their population's opinion, and we'll see what happens in the next elections there.
And I won't get involved in internal Canadian politics. If your government does not follow the Canadian people's wishes, get a new one. That's how it works. Don't blame other countries if your gov't screwed up.

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Well, I know we re-elected the same government in the next elections, and the next after. When things finally did change, it was to an even more pro-war government. Now we have greater military spending, better equipment and safer troops. Currently, we're planning on sending even more troops. When Canadians do something, they don't pay lip service.

Now, I will say that public opinion is pretty negative about this war, but you have to understand why. Canadians don't want to be in a war where the other participants don't share the load. We feel like we've been screwed by much of the world, because we have. That's why we're pulling out by 2011. I will give France some credit here, lately they've been doing a little bit more of the easy work, so America can free up troops to help Canada with the hard work.

But I can say this, the next time there is a country in military need, no one will help them. Certainly, Canada won't, because we now know how few true allies we really have. The world will let them fall like Austria and Poland did years ago. The only consolation is that globalization makes war less desirable. Still, this global military apathy can only make war easier for those who wish to wage it.
 
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I'm not a big fan of the french. And not because they and russia were SO against the war in iraq (Because they had oil/gas deals with sadaam's regime, but Bush was a total assclown and the only reason he invaded was to kill sadaam because he tried to assassinate bush SR. when he was in kuwait a few years earlier), but because every time I hear something about them, it just makes me shake my head and wonder why.


I heard a story from someone about how they landed in france on a start of their own little tour of europe. They got a taxi at the airport, and was heading to a hotel. The taxi driver started talking to him in french, and so he pulls out his translator book, and manages to say "I'm sorry, my french is not very good, do you speak english?" In french to the driver.

The driver suddenly slams on the brakes, yelling in french the whole time, goes to the trunk of the car, gets all of the guys shit, dumps it on the road, gets back in the taxi, and speeds off.

I mean, come on, because someone doesn't speak french, and politely tells you so, you're going to dick them over on their way to a hotel?


Then there's the whole 'coward' thing. I remember an old joke I heard and it still rings true to me today.

Q: "How many frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?"
A: "Who knows? None have ever tried"


And it's not just FRENCH french. I visited canada, and in the mainly french-speaking places, if they catch you talking in another language, they generally give you shit about it. In my experiences I was in montreal. But another good example, if you ever watched 'insomniac' a few years ago, the host was in canada talking to some people in english, and some drunk frenchie comes up and starts giving him hell about something nobody ever figured out.

So i'm not the only one with these experiences, is what i'm thinking.
 

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I find the french coward joke over done. Without the French the US would have never won the its revolutionary war. (They provided troops, funds, supplies, and morale that we and a cause worth fighting for, because France was involved.)

The only gripe I have with Europeans, is that they smoke more. I love their food though.
 

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I find the french coward joke over done. Without the French the US would have never won the its revolutionary war. (They provided troops, funds, supplies, and morale that we and a cause worth fighting for, because France was involved.)
That's because we had a common enemy, the British. The relationship between France and the US soured soon after because they failed in many ways in assisting us further.
 

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Yes and no, but not really. We have a whole category of jokes based on the idea of Norwegians being basically retarded, but I hear they have the same thing about us. We don't really hate each other. We just like to pretend we do.

I guess that somehow it dates back to when we (the Swedes) pretty much ruled Norway. According to wikipedia they weren't fully independent until 1905. Also according to wikipedia, we (or more specifically our monarchy) were really kind of assholes about the whole thing.
Woah, so much history. And here I thought you were both pretty much the same thing. That's like India and Pakistan hating eachother, or Canada and the US. They're too similar!

But you both eat harpulainen and ranskalusain, right?


It's ridiculous. Meanwhile, Canadians are getting blown up in the most dangerous regions, and it disgusts me.
That sounds about right.



If your government does not follow the Canadian people's wishes, get a new one. That's how it works. Don't blame other countries if your gov't screwed up.

Peachy
Dude, we don't even have a government right now. Parliament has been suspended. All the parties are falling apart. Liberals, NDPs, and the Bloc-Quebecois are forming a coalition to kick the conservatives out. And Harper's throwing a hissy fit about it all. He called a surprise election last year when no one was looking, and he was re-elected with the same minority government. Then he asked the Govenor-General if he could call another election immediately after. Of course it was denied, and then he dissolved parliament.
He's waiting it out untill he can rile the support he needs for the majority he so badly wants. Meanwhile, the coalition is calling for his blood and is threatening to take over -- This is a group of parties that no one voted for, and just because combined their number of seats outnumber the conservative's, the get a free ticket in?

Outside of that, Quebec is threatening to seperate. BC is getting all worked up about money or something and is going to want to seperate soon.

Watching Canadian politics is like watching a reality show about a bunch of spoiled rich kids.
 
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It's weird too, the leader of the opposition Liberal party is more American than Canadian, imho. The Liberals are in trouble because for years they were funded by corporations and special interests, until they transitioned to public funding. Whereas the Conservatives have always relied on grassroots funding. The complete opposite of America, I might add. So when the Conservatives proposed getting rid of public funding for parties, the rest freaked out.

Still, that's done with. There's almost certainly not going to be a coalition now. The Conservatives learned their lesson not to be such jerks. Also, by partnering with the separatist Bloc, the Liberals and NDP betrayed many of their supporters. Everyone has lost in this incident. People just want the government to shut up and run the country, which they should have been doing in the first place.

Though, I don't think Quebec will separate, since they've re-elected provincially a staunchly federalist Liberal majority (who ironically are the most conservative party there). Even the separatist Bloc doesn't talk about actually separating during campaigns, haha.

But you know, sometimes I think all this political BS is a good thing. Things are going pretty well in Canada right now, and the last thing we need are politicians screwing with it. That's why I like minorities. They keep things mostly the same, while being forced to act on the major issues everyone cares about. It also keeps the media employed, which is a good thing in a recession. And you know, maybe the constant elections aren't such a bad thing. It creates a lot of temporary jobs. Think of it as a kind of government stimulus. lol

If there's anything I've learned from Canadian politics, it's to take nothing at face value.
 

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Apparently, the Uk government did send their troups there against their population's opinion, and we'll see what happens in the next elections there.
But the Labour government has already been returned to office post Iraq and Afghanistan, and with fairly decent margins.

As far as Europe's contribution to Afghanistan I have to agree with what has been previously mentioned as far as the lack of meaningful support given by certain NATO member-nations. I think it is important to continue to seperate the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, while there was an international backlash to the Iraq invasion, the action in Afghanistan enjoyed more wide spread support and was largely seen as justified seeing as their government did provide direct aid to individuals who committed an act of terror against the United States. We were clearly entitled to respond, and after the appropriate invocation of Article 5 of NATO other member nations were also committed to provide support in response to a direct attack against a member nation. While some members have committed forces and provided significant aid, other states have pulled back and isolated their forces in the safest regions and provided strict ROE which prevent them from being placed in serious danger, and at the same time preventing them from being as effective as they could be.
 

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I think that part of the perceived European dislike of the Afghan conflict is the US's behavior regarding Iraq. First we go to Afghanistan, and then we pull most of our troops out to fight Saddam Hussein. To them, It would seem that the US is leaving NATO to fight while American troops go off to invade someone else.
 

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As far as Europe's contribution to Afghanistan I have to agree with what has been previously mentioned as far as the lack of meaningful support given by certain NATO member-nations. I think it is important to continue to seperate the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, while there was an international backlash to the Iraq invasion, the action in Afghanistan enjoyed more wide spread support and was largely seen as justified seeing as their government did provide direct aid to individuals who committed an act of terror against the United States. We were clearly entitled to respond, and after the appropriate invocation of Article 5 of NATO other member nations were also committed to provide support in response to a direct attack against a member nation. While some members have committed forces and provided significant aid, other states have pulled back and isolated their forces in the safest regions and provided strict ROE which prevent them from being placed in serious danger, and at the same time preventing them from being as effective as they could be.
I feel worst for the soldiers. Consider them, they are trained for war, and when it's finally time to put that into action, they are boxed in. Don't think they aren't looked down on by soldiers that do the real work. Don't think they aren't crushed when they hear their new friends are dying in the battlefield, and they aren't allowed to save them. No one should be put in that position of uselessness, let alone a soldier who dedicates his life to the service of others.

I truly believe that a number of European nations would be better off disbanding any offensive military capability they have and dropping out of NATO. They obviously don't want to use their military, so it's a waste of tax dollars. Spend it on humanitarian aid instead, so that it's not a total waste.
 
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Germans - God damn drunk nazis
French - Pansy cowards who's only military victories were won by a short dude.
Swedes - Meatball fuckers
Norwegians - [death metal song name here]
British - Stuck up assholes
Irish - Drunk assholes
Scottish - Kilt wearing assholes
Russians - Drunk commies
Any country in the former Soviet Union - Former drunk commies who are now just commies

Just because:

*cocks his shotgun* America: DAH BESTZ CONTREE EVER YUP YUP!!! YEEEEHAWWWW

Canadians - America's non retarded brother

Mexico - Taco loving border jumpers

Kenya - Fast motherfuckers
 

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Well, I'm not American, but North American in that I'm Canadian, and I'd say that Europe is pretty hawt. Still, I think Europe can often be a bit too socialist, over-protective of its citizens and quietly racist.

For example, except for the UK, they have played very minor roles in Afghanistan because most of them are so afraid of their soldiers getting hurt they confine them to base or the safest regions. It's ridiculous. Meanwhile, Canadians are getting blown up in the most dangerous regions, and it disgusts me. I'm not going to blame the soldiers, because I know they are willing to fight, it's the often emasculated politicians and weak kneed media over there. I mean, France has the 2nd largest military budget in the world, but they sure don't act like it. They have more soldiers than Canada in Afghanistan, yet 1/4 the causalities, because their soldiers aren't allowed to fight anywhere actually dangerous.

Now, I know Canada doesn't have the best equipment, and I blame my government for that, but you bastards won't even lend us the good stuff that you have plenty extra of. You're so afraid of being even tangentially involved in conflict, you've left my people to die! After Canada's efforts in WWI and WWII (Vimy ridge, Ypris, Passchendaele, Dieppe, etc...), we expect better. We were the Stormtroopers then, and we live up to the title today by handling the most dangerous jobs (ex. Kandahar). The fact that Europe refuses to lend us any tangible support in our time of military need, really fucking pisses me off.

Seriously, Europe, let your armies be armies instead of glorified mall security guards.

Still, if something were to ever happen to Europe, we'd be there in a heartbeat. We help our friends, even if they are assholes. (We're used to it after living next to America for so long ;) )

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So what do I think about Europe? It's a mixed bag, just like everywhere else.
I know it's not totally fair as I'm an European myself but I really need to say something on this.

I agree with you. The Netherlands is near the Canadians IIRC in Irac and we're also in dangerous places in Afganistan (or vice versa) and I think this is good. In the army there is a chance you get sent to war zones, you knew that when you signed up. That's what armies are for, fighting and dangerous stuff. I'm not saying they're meant to die but you get my point.
 

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I don't really have any problem with Europe, so I guess I'll just say it's a cool place.
 

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I'm not a big fan of the french. And not because they and russia were SO against the war in iraq (Because they had oil/gas deals with sadaam's regime, but Bush was a total assclown and the only reason he invaded was to kill sadaam because he tried to assassinate bush SR. when he was in kuwait a few years earlier), but because every time I hear something about them, it just makes me shake my head and wonder why.


I heard a story from someone about how they landed in france on a start of their own little tour of europe. They got a taxi at the airport, and was heading to a hotel. The taxi driver started talking to him in french, and so he pulls out his translator book, and manages to say "I'm sorry, my french is not very good, do you speak english?" In french to the driver.

The driver suddenly slams on the brakes, yelling in french the whole time, goes to the trunk of the car, gets all of the guys shit, dumps it on the road, gets back in the taxi, and speeds off.

I mean, come on, because someone doesn't speak french, and politely tells you so, you're going to dick them over on their way to a hotel?


Then there's the whole 'coward' thing. I remember an old joke I heard and it still rings true to me today.

Q: "How many frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?"
A: "Who knows? None have ever tried"


And it's not just FRENCH french. I visited canada, and in the mainly french-speaking places, if they catch you talking in another language, they generally give you shit about it. In my experiences I was in montreal. But another good example, if you ever watched 'insomniac' a few years ago, the host was in canada talking to some people in english, and some drunk frenchie comes up and starts giving him hell about something nobody ever figured out.

So i'm not the only one with these experiences, is what i'm thinking.
But you've not actually been to France, right?
 

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:bunny: Never been to Europe. My grandmother emigrated by herself to the US from Norway when she was only 17 (before or during WWI). Her sister, Mrs. Nemo, emigrated later to the Puget Sound Region of Washington. (Stillicoom). When they were together the only spoke in Norwegian. When I started to learn Norwegian and told grandmother that I wanted to visit Norway and find my relatives there. She always said: "You're american, you speak english, you don't want to go to Norway. She must have left there in bad times. What I do know is that I'd like to have a much broader world view and to try to understand Europe from a European perspective. Only been out of North America once. We spent three weeks in Guatemala with locals. :bunny:
 

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If you don't want "your" people to die, elect a government that won't drag your soldiers into stupid wars where they get killed. Apparently, the Uk government did send their troups there against their population's opinion, and we'll see what happens in the next elections there.
And I won't get involved in internal Canadian politics. If your government does not follow the Canadian people's wishes, get a new one. That's how it works. Don't blame other countries if your gov't screwed up.

Peachy
Heh. We Did Send Our Soldiers To Iraq. ^.^

Theres A Book!

Its A Sergeant's Story Of His Time In "Al Amarah" In Maysan Province, Iraq.
 

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OMG lik erope and frinc is lik 2 retatted and is lik not 4 gve peple like s emaricans dah lik racst and stff.



I'm a full blooded Cajun. :3 So I'm French by decent.
 

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I hate Europeans that hate my Country. I don't hate you, don't hate me. Think about it this way, I don't hate any of the countries in the middle east, I hate the Extremists/terrorists within those countries, which sometimes is the government.

If you hate the USA, I hate you. :D

You Euro's seem to be OK guys, I don't really know enough about you but everyone on this site is just fine, I've never been to Europe sadly. I can't judge you guys yet.

Very Nicely said.

OMG lik erope and frinc is lik 2 retatted and is lik not 4 gve peple like s emaricans dah lik racst and stff.



I'm a full blooded Cajun. :3 So I'm French by decent.

English Please.
 
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English Please.
Lik Dood Im emaracanies 2 why u hattin.



Now seriously DO I hate europe? NO! Do I hate the people there who are the majority? Yes, just like I do in every country.

My view on Europe. A lot of the chavs Need to mature the fuck up. Seriously.
 

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My feelings about Europe, in general, is that many European governments are conceited and arrogant. They have no sense of their own history and even their role in a global sense. I believe that after 60 years of living off old rich, Uncle Sam, that they should be wheemed off the money tit and start paying for their own defense. I feel that all USA military bases in Europe should be closed and the USA withdraw from NATO. The USA really should concentrate on developing stronger contacts with China and Japan as that is where the economic events will occur in the 21st. century. Asia and the Far East is where the real ecomonic action is.
 
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